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It seems .PRO is slowly coming out of the cage with cheaper reg prices than they were a year ago and major registrars like netsol taking notice of the extension and promoting it. B-)

Here are some that I picked up in last couple of days:

Alexandria.pro

Anchorage.pro

Arlington.pro

Belfast.pro

Birmingham.pro

Budapest.pro

Durham.pro

Fairfax.pro

Italian.pro

Lisbon.pro

Fire away with your regs after the relaunch on September 8th, 2008.
 
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AfternicAfternic
Samit said:
sundari said:
Why not all of us request for a separate section .pro like the above.
Because there are a lot of other tlds that deserve it more, including .in, so I doubt its going to happen.

sundari said:
So that this extension also gets its importance amongst np members. It will slowly start influencing the domain industry.
I doubt NP would like to be seen 'promoting' any TLDs, I'm assuming .tv/.us/.mobi were listed top of the page as discussions were really heavy at that point in time.

Interesting info on the SEs, thanks dotprofan.
Galel said:
sundari said:
There is one suggestion, for all of us. In namepros We have separate section for .mobi which is going to grave, .tv and .us. Why not all of us request for a separate section .pro like the above.

So that this extension also gets its importance amongst np members. It will slowly start influencing the domain industry.

If all of us can write to namepros regarding this. There can surely be changes brought about.

I am sorry if I have violated any rules.

sundari. :)

Making a suggestion about NamePros is never a violation of the rules... I'll make a note of this for our next Staff meeting.

-Galel


Thank you so much for having taken my suggestion to consideration. We shall just give it a try I do not find there is any harm in this.

All the Best.


sundari.
 
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I am webmaster pro, moving daily several thousands of visitors (good traffic, from google, quality links, etc) and I would like to change the name of one my sites, from a next door .com to a premium .pro. If I get it, I promise that I will put all my forces (and experience years) in to make one of the most visited sites in the world. :hehe:
 
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terol said:
I am webmaster pro, moving daily several thousands of visitors (good traffic, from google, quality links, etc) and I would like to change the name of one my sites, from a next door .com to a premium .pro. If I get it, I promise that I will put all my forces (and experience years) in to make one of the most visited sites in the world. :hehe:
Good luck!!!!
 
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Recent pickup:

council dot pro

FYI: Antarctica.pro is still available.

Reps appreciated! :)
 
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Steve said:
As I've always said, keeping registration prices higher (but not too much higher), keeps domainers and speculators out more and legitimate businesses in -- that's good for the early/serious speculators, and good for the Web and the .pro extension.

My favourite subject!:) High .pro reg fees between 2004-2008 kept domainers and speculators out, they also did nothing to make .pro more attractive to business. Of the 6,500 .pros registered up to September 08 about 95%-99% were owned be people speculating on resale for a profit or future development potential. Of the 100 .pros developed, none were developed by a well known business and the vast majority were homebew template based roll outs that did little to raise the profile of the extension.

There are probably 50-100 ccTLD's with better keyword availability than .pro. Are businesses flocking to developing them? No. The Puerto Rico extension .pr costs $1,000 to reg, Debt.pr and Loan.pr are still available, it's difficult to find a domain that is registered. Business.pr and Casino.pr were showing as available to reg until recently, although they now seem to be reserved. Businesses don't develop websites just because they can register a particular keyword so trying to keep them available doesn't get sites developed. Amateur template tweakers might be attracted by keyword availability but businesses aren't. Businesses will register any old rubbish (e.g. eBay, Flickr, YouTube, Facebook, Bebo, MySpace) to get the job done, they are not put off developing by lack of keyword availability.

By setting up barriers to keep domainers and speculators out, registries cut themselves off from the reg fees they need to survive. It's a major miracle RegistryPro is still in business, as I have pointed out before, the fees they were collecting in for 3-4 years following launch were probably only covering the salary cost of their 2-3 highest paid employees. That left the parent company Hostway to fund the cost of the remaining 12-13 employees and all the other running costs. Keeping RegistryPro in business must have cost Hostway millions of dollars.

In the meantime, speculative money flowed into .mobi, .info, .biz giving their registries the funds to market them to business. .mobi is an ugly artificial concoction, but businesses developed it heavily, they bought into the mobile internet marketing buzz. RegistryPro don't have millions of dollars to spend on promotion so they need domainers and speculators to go out and sell .pro to end users.

There is a direct correlation between the level of speculation, aftermarket activity, resale prices, and development by business. More speculation means more people hear about the extension, and the more viable it becomes for a business to develop. The more activity there is on the aftermarket, the more domains end up in the hands of developers, the higher resale prices get, the greater the incentive for speculators to match domains to end users and the less viable it becomes to buy a domain for resale only.

.pro has been given a new lease of life by lower reg fees, people are regging keyword ideas freely, trading with eachother for small multiples of reg fee, talking about .pro (who would have thought this time last year that a .pro thread would get 16,000 views?!), and domainers are direct marketing .pro to end users. Reg fees must carry on falling to maintain that momentum. It's better for RegistryPro to sell 65,000 .pros at $10 than 6,500 at $100. If high reg fees and keyword availability pulled in business, .pro would have 1m registrations by now.

If RegistryPro is serious about getting .pro sites developed they should think outside of the box. Offering free lifetime registration to the first 10,000 businesses or individuals that develop a .pro would be a start. It's not that businesses care whether fees are free or $100, it's that doing something noteworthy to promote development would get people talking about .pro, and if a business thought 9,999 other businesses were going to develop .pro and that millions of people would then hear about it, they would take it more seriously. Businesses want end user mindset penetration and commercial credibility and RegistryPro haven't delivered either with high reg fees.
 
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OUTSIDE.pro

Just Picked up Outside.Pro
Feel this could be good as for offering advice on the outside lifestyle ie hiking,kayaking skiing etc as well as offering online retail. (outdoor) would have been better in terms of overture taken in 2007 but could have been mistaken for outdoors which is also taken.

Any Thoughts?

Also Hydropower.pro is still available if anyone is into new tech energy .pros
 
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terol said:
I am webmaster pro, moving daily several thousands of visitors (good traffic, from google, quality links, etc) and I would like to change the name of one my sites, from a next door .com to a premium .pro. If I get it, I promise that I will put all my forces (and experience years) in to make one of the most visited sites in the world. :hehe:

You want webmaster.pro rite? :laugh:
Who owns it by the way??
 
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Hi Andrew!

I agree partly, but not with all. Just an example:

akcampbell said:
Business.pr and Casino.pr were showing as available to reg until recently, although they now seem to be reserved.
Okay, business.pr and casino.pr were still available - so what? Is this a drawback to the .pr extension? No, it isn't. In contrast, if ever someone wanted to develop a "business.xx" website and doesn't care about the extension, he will maybe rather take an available business.pr for $1000 than buying a "cheap" business.cc for $20.000 from a speculator.

However, this won't likely ever happen. It's rather funny how many business.xx or mp3.xx domains have been registered just because the corresponding .com domain is well known. But in fact, no such domain has ever been used in real life! All are held by speculators, but nobody cares. Or do you know any business.xx website that is not developed for the particular country only? I don't.

akcampbell said:
Businesses don't develop websites just because they can register a particular keyword so trying to keep them available doesn't get sites developed.
That's not completely true. For example, a big Austrian web company developed lion.cc for a big web portal and for free email addresses. Do, the name lion.cc is well known in nearly whole Austria. Why didn't they take a .com or .at domain? Because all good names were all taken, while lion.cc still was available. So, businesses don't develop websites just because they can register a good keyword, but if they are in need for a good keyword for an existing idea, they maybe rather take an available domain that fits well.

And to the fees: There *are* already cheap extensions available, but this doesn't help the extension either. For example, a .tk domain could be registered for just $10, but nobody wanted it; everybody registered a free .tk instead, but without owning it. Or, .hm domains cost $35, which is not very cheap, but much less than .pro domains costed. But, do you know any developed .hm domain? Do you at least do know the .hm domain extension at all? You do, because you are a domainer, but if you weren't, you probably would never have heard about it.

On the other side, when .tv started, the worst and ugliest names cost $4000, and the top names could be registered for exorbitant prices. The extension didn't suffer from that, in contrast, it is the most successfully developed ccTLD in the world.

You named last.fm as an example. I think you know that .fm domains cost $200 per year. This is not very low, I think.

So, as a conclusion, the registry fee is not a very important factor in the success of a TLD.
 
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I am planning to develop Crew.pro (+ i have crews.pro and Crewing.pro)next 2-3 mnts.
worldwide tv-film crewing company+lots different services and now i am looking for good developers who knows media sites development. eny advice appreciated!
 
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Just added:

SOUND.PRO
SOFT.PRO
TEST.PRO
TALKS.PRO
AROUND.PRO


What's your opinion about this names?

Thanks
 
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The problem with .hm and .tk is they don't mean anything or add anything to the keyword so whether you price them low or high they still won't work. .tv means something, it's probably the most valuable and brandable 2 letter ccTLD, it was priced at $25-$35 rather than $99, it was offered prominently by virtually every registrar, and more recently has the marketing clout of Verisign behind it. I think .tv would be more developed by business if it wasn't for the premium pricing and relatively high reg fee. Maybe, .fm would have more developed radio stations if it didn't cost $200 to register. Perhaps, certain radio related sites might make $300 of advertising revenue per year so $200 is an issue because it's eating up 2/3 of your revenue.

I think there are many different factors that contribute to an alternative extension succeeding or failing;

1) Reg fees
2) Restrictions
3) Number and quality of registrars that sell the extension
4) Prominence of extension on registrar web sites
5) Marketing budget and quality of marketing
6) Brandability and meaning of extension
7) Breadth of appeal

If had to score .pro on the above before the 8 September relaunch it would be

1) 1/10
2) 1/10
3) 1/10
4) 1/10
5) 0/10
6) 9/10
7) 8/10

It was kept alive by Encirca's ProForwarding service and the scores for 6) and 7). After 8 September relaunch, the profile looked something like this

1) 3/10
2) 3/10
3) 3/10
4) 3/10
5) 1/10
6) 9/10
7/ 8/10

6) and 7) are fixed, 5) is now a 1 because of the .pro coummunity on NP, RegistryPro is still doing nothing to market .pro, 4) is up to 3 because of the promotion on Network Solutions, 3) is up to 3 because of being offered by Network Solutions, 2) is up to 3 because all licensed professionals can offer it, and 1) is up to 3 because of the temporary cut in reg fees from $99 to $15 at the most popular .pro registrar Encirca. I haven't put it up any higher because the impact of lower reg fees is being hit by .pro only being offered by a single registrar and the price being a temporary promotion for new registrations.

If I apply the above scoring system to .tk I would get

1) 9/10
2) 10/10
3) 3/10
4) 3/10
5) 3/10
6) 1/10
7) 1/10

With .tk, reducing fees further will make no difference, 6) and 7) kill it and there is no way back from that. .hm is similar to the above apart from it has a 3/10 for 1) Reg fees. Reducing reg fees won't do much to help because 6) and 7) are flat.

With .tv

1) 5/10
2) 10/10
3) 9/10
4) 7/10
5) 8/10
6) 9/10
7) 7/10

.tv is nearly as strong as .pro on 6) and 7) but far stronger on everything else. I still think high reg fees and the muddle of the premium keyword reg fees hold it back. If I was the .tv registry, I would auction off all the premium keywords retained and cut reg fees because that's the weakest string to the .tv bow.

With RegistryPro, spending on marketing probably isn't an option so that rules out 5), they won't get .pro on more registrar panels until they sort out 2) restrictions so 3) and 4) registrar quality, quantity and prominence are not options, 6) and 7) are fixed, so 1) is the only button the registry can press in the short term to drive growth. Because 6) and 7) are high reductions in reg fees result in disproportionately more speculation and that boosts 5) by growing registry income and awareness among domainers.

The 8 September relaunched resulted in total .pros regged tripling in the first month because 1) through to 4) were had been holding .pro back for years. Things have only been improved slightly though and RegistryPro need to sort out 2), 3) and 4) in the medium terms which leaves 1) Reg fees as the only thing they can tweak to maintain the momentum of .pro's resurgence in the short term.

At at certain price point between $15-$30 I would agree that reducing reg fees further won't help .pro because residual restrictions and lack of registrar outlets will snuff out the benefit. However, if RegistryPro doesn't lower renewal fees in 2009, all of the good work in Q4 08 may be undone, the gap between $15 reg fees in the first year with speculative hope and $60 in the second year with dashed hopes is huge.

MasterGuru said:
Just added:

SOUND.PRO
SOFT.PRO
TEST.PRO
TALKS.PRO
AROUND.PRO


What's your opinion about this names?

Thanks

I think Test.pro is the strongest. I had software, website and psychometric testing in mind when I bid for it. Vincent held some very nice 4 letter .pros, I bought Pool.pro, Tool.pro and Safe.pro. I thought Pool.pro was great because you have the swimming pool angle and the game of pool and both fit the extension well. Vincent's main auction and the follup up flipping auctions were a fantastic .pro buying opportunity.
 
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akcampbell said:
Vincent's main auction and the follup up flipping auctions were a fantastic .pro buying opportunity.
100%. In my opinion Vincent should kept these domains solidly.
 
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It's difficult to sell a .pro you bought at auction on NP because you are going to want more than you paid and if somebody had wanted it they would have outbid you at the initial auction. I recall Malaysia.pro being offered around for $100, then somebody bought it and offered it at $1,200 within 3 weeks. If you want to go from a reseller price to end user all you can do is list it elsewhere and try to tap into a different market. Another thing people do is register a .pro and then post it the next day on a make offer NP thread. The best way to sell a .pro on NP is auction it with a start price of $1 and no bid for 24 hours but even then it's got to be something several .pro domainers would covet so you generate some competition between bidders. Things can change quickly though, if you look at the 06 threads when Vincent was trying to sell his .pros at $100 each, he had virtually no takers, reg fees come down and restrictions get eased slighly, and he can sell virtually everything he holds for $100+. I think you have to reg or buy a .pro and forget about it until something good happens to the extension or total domains registered go up over time, increasing the perceived value of older registrations.
 
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Just added:
macro.pro
 
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What's your opinion on erection.pro?
Thanks
 
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MasterGuru said:
What's your opinion on erection.pro?
Thanks

It could be one of two sites:

1. A construction site
2. An online pharmacy website focused on men's sexual health
 
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Sedo reported .PRO sales

Sedo is reporting under its Recent Sales section that mascotas.pro and anuncios.pro sold for $1500 USD each. Great sales. Congrats to all parties. :sold:
 
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Interesting reported sales, looks like they were bought by the same guy in Panama.
 
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