The Official LLLL.net sales report and discussion thread

[skylineleong]

--------Welcome to LLLL.net sales report thread------------

http://www.premiumdomain.com/tld/net/

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LLLL.coms sales average $xxx. LLLL.nets min $xx.

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http://3character.com/priceguide.html

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Sex.net $454,500 (Highest price LLL.nets)
2006 Parked.com, LLC

porn.net $400,000 (Highest price LLLL.nets now, any else..)
http://simplygeo.com/2008/01/23/domainfest-auction-resultsupdates-part-2-live-on-simplygeocom/


News.net - 2005 - Christopher Norris - $150,000

Math.net - 2007 - Name Administration Inc. - $35,300

Cams.net - 2006 - Domain Capital - $35,000

Rome.net - 2007 - lee, fun check stephen - $17,500

Post.net - 2007 - ......................... - $26,000

Rome.net - 2007 - lee, fun check stephen - $17,500

Stay.net - 2007 - ......................... - $13,000

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http://www.namepros.com/3206738-post3233.html
jay break the namepros record in this LLLL.net sales thread.

Highest = PORN.net $400,000
Lowest = KOYY.net $0.01

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Go to "Reece" post below:
www.4letternoob.com
http://4letternoob.wordpress.com/


LLLL.nets countdown & Avalailable LLLL.nets list
http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/403871-llll-net-countdown.html

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Vowel = a , e , i , o , u , "Y"

Is the letter Y a vowel or a consonant?
http://www.askoxford.com/asktheexperts/faq/aboutother/lettery?view=uk
&
http://dictionary.reference.com/help/faq/language/g01.html

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There are currently 206,279 LLLL.nets available (as at the 21st May 2008). Hence there's now only 45.17% of the total 456,976 LLLL.nets available.

Historical Changes Per Month

* 206,279 available - 21st May; down by ~700 since 1st May
* 207,025 available - 1st May 08; down by 3,173 in April
* 210,198 available - 1st April 08; down by 4,132 in March
* 214,330 available - 1st Mar 08

There are currently 213,894 LLLL.nets available (as at the 2nd March 2008). Hence there's now only 46.8% of the total 456,976 LLLL.nets available.www.GFNB.net

http://www.gfnb.net/Search.php

And enter the following as the search criteria:

aeiou
bcdfghjklmnpqrstvwxyz
aeiou
bcdfghjklmnpqrstvwxyz
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LLLL.net Available A-Z
http://www.4-ok.net/?p=stat

29-May-2008, 15:06:25
A: 4552
B: 6794
C: 5497
D: 6222
E: 6871
F: 7739
G: 7250
H: 6439
I: 6726
J: 8722
K: 9170
L: 7614
M: 6606
N: 7228
O: 8028
P: 7949
Q: 12580
R: 8426
S: 4542
T: 6012
U: 10785
V: 11980
W: 8327
X: 10741
Y: 10272
Z: 10452
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Available : 207524



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* 214,557 available - 29th Feb 08; down by 208 since 3 days ago.
* 214,763 available - 26th Feb 08; down by 479 since 3 days ago.
* 215,239 available - 23rd Feb 08; down by 115 since 1 day ago.
* 215,354 available - 22nd Feb 08; down by 115 since 1 day ago.
* 215,701 available - 21st Feb 08; down by 817 since 2 days ago.
* 216,518 available - 19th Feb 08; down by 293 since 2 days ago.
* 216,811 available - 17th Feb 08

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http://www.domainersbox.net/tools/
SEARCH FREE LLLL.NET
VCVC.nets or CVCV.nets

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Quad Letter Domains
http://www.quadletterdomains.com/

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List of all available LLLL.NET with double letters and 3 premium letters.
http://3062838.mycyberway.com/letter/Available/All_available_LLLL.NET_with_double_letters.htm

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PATTERN-Amount-%
CCCC 160,000 35.01
VCCC 48,000 10.5
CVCC 48,000 10.5
CCVC 48,000 10.5
CCCV 48,000 10.5
CVCV 14,400 3.15
VCVC 14,400 3.15
CVVC 14,400 3.15
VCCV 14,400 3.15
VVCC 14,400 3.15
CCVV 14,400 3.15
CVVV 4,320 0.95
VCVV 4,320 0.95
VVCV 4,320 0.95

VVVC 4,320 0.95
VVVV 1,296 0.28

C: BCDFGHJKLMNPQRSTVWXZ
V: AEIOUY


QUALITY-Amount-%
PPPP 83,521 18.28
PPPB 117,912 25.8
PPPW 58,956 12.9
PPBB 62,424 13.66
PPBW 62,424 13.66
PPWW 20,808 4.55
PBBB 14,688 3.21
PBBW 22,032 4.82
PBWW 11,016 2.41
PWWW 1,836 0.40
BBBB 1,296 0.28
BBBW 2,592 0.56
BBWW 1,944 0.42
BWWW 648 0.14
WWWW 81 0.017

Premium: ABCDEFGHILMNOPRST
Bad: JKUVWY
Worst: QXZ


RANK-Amount-%
XXXX 26 0.0057
XXYY 650 0.14
XYXY 650 0.14
XYYX 650 0.14
LXXX 650 0.14
XLXX 650 0.14
XXLX 650 0.14
XXXL 650 0.14
XXLL 16,225 3.55
XLXL 16,225 3.55
XLLX 16,225 3.55
LXLX 16,225 3.55
LXXL 16,225 3.55
LLXX 16,225 3.55
LLLL 354,050 77.48

All: 456,976

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LLL - 17576
CCC - 46656
LLLL - 456976
CCCC - 1679616
LLLLL - 11881376

L-L-L-L - 456976
LL-LL - 456976
LLL-L - 456976
L-LLL - 456976
L-LL-L - 456976
LL-L-L - 456976
L-L-LL - 456976
C-C-C-C - 1679616
CC-CC - 1679616
C-CCC - 1679616
CCC-C - 1679616
C-CC-C - 1679616
CC-C-C - 1679616
C-C-CC - 1679616

NN -100
NNN - 1000
NNNN -10000
NNNNN - 100000
NNNNNN - 1000000

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Short Domain List below:

N = Number
L = Letter
C = Character (either a letter or a number)
c = Constanant Letter
V = Vowell Letter

NN.com
LL.com
CC.com
NNN.com
LLL.com
CCC.com
NNN.net
LLL.net
NNN.org
LLL.org
NNN.info
LLL.info
NNN.biz
LLL.biz
NNN.mobi
LLL.mobi
L-L.com
N-N.com
C-C.com
N-N.net
L-L.net
C-C.net
N-N.org
L-L.org
C-C.org
NNN.us
LLL.us
NNNN.com
LLLL.com
VcVc.com
cVcV.com
cVVc.com
ccVc.com
VVcV.com
cccV.com
Vccc.com
CCCC.com
NNNN.net
LLLL.net
CCCC.net
NN-N.com
N-NN.com
LL-L.com
L-LL.com
C-CC.com
CC-C.com
NNNNN.com
LLLLL.com
cVcVc.com
VcVcV.com
cVVcc.com
ccVVc.com
cVVVc.com
VcccV.com
VccVc.com
VVcVc.com
cccVc.com
VVVcV.com
CCCCC.com
N-N-N-N.com
L-L-L-L.com
NN-NN.com
LL-LL.com
NNN-N.com
LLL-L.com
N-NNN.com
L-LLL.com
N-NN-N.com
L-LL-L.com
NN-N-N.com
LL-L-L.com
N-N-NN.com
L-L-LL.com
C-C-C-C.com
CC-CC.com
C-CCC.com
CCC-C.com
C-CC-C.com
CC-C-C.com
C-C-CC.com


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Very pronounceable CVCV top the list of non-word LLLL.coms which fetch the most.

VCVC really depend on the letters, unlike AABB and Triple Letters which have a fairly large value (~$500+ for triple repeats/AABB) regardless of letter quality.

On the pronounceable front, you're looking at (in general): CVCV > VCVC > CVVC > VCCV.

With rares, you're looking at (again, on average): AABB > Triple Repeat > ABAB > VVVV > Triple Non-Repeat.


If I had to average it out across all LLLL's, I'd say it goes as follows: CVCV > AABB > Triple Repeat > ABAB > VCVC > VVVV. CVVC/VCCV depend heavily on the letters and pronounceability.

http://www.namepros.com/2816488-post2.html

1) Have a meaning - Dictionary words
2) repeated letters - Example - AAAA
3) Extremely Algorithm - Example - ABCD
4) Pronounceable - This is where CVCV or VCVC comes.

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http://www.quadletterdomains.com/lists/

Four Letter Lists:

* CVCV - All possible combinations
* CVCV - All possible combinations where ‘Y’ is considered a vowel
* VCVC - All possible combinations
* VCVC - All possible combinations where ‘Y’ is considered a vowel
* LLLL - All possible premium combinations*

* Premium Letters: A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H,I,L,M,N,O,P,R,S,T


Five Letter Lists:

* VCVCV - All possible combinations
* VCVCV - All possible premium combinations*

* Premium Letters: A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H,I,L,M,N,O,P,R,S,T

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[Shenron]

IMHO it'll pretty much depend on the LLL.net and LLLL.com markets as it has been stated before.

LLL.net's / 26 or LLLL.com / 10 (maybe 5)

I don't see the whole sale price for LLLL.net skyrocketing any time soon, but I believe it'll grow up to $30-$35 at least by year end.

Well, at least now we see that $9 is the minimum one can find, soon to raise up to $12...

 

[italiandragon]

Well, you can't base it on dnjournal reports, most (if not all) their sales are end users and you know you can sell any domain you want for any price to an end user as long as he's interested in it and can afford the price.


Premium LLLL.com's seem to have a min price of around $400-500 now, so I think by the end of the year when premium LLLL.com's hit $1K min, premium LLLL.net's should be worth $50-100 too

No Michael , pay attention to the list of DNJ , there are also several 4 or 5 figures deal that are bought from other domainers..... my Cairns.mobi sold for $3,000 was just an example.

 

[Andrei P.]

According to DNJournal
Reported Domain Sales - Mon. Jan. 28, 2008 - Sun. Feb. 3, 2008:
Ludo.net $2,400
AMNB.net $1,988
Alle.net $1,700
amso.net $1,539
icfm.net $1,252
gebo.net $1,056

And I think that a lot more domains were sold to end-users in 100$-800$ range but were not reported at DNJournal. Look at this nice possible ROI If you have 1000 premium LLLL.net domains you have a nice chance that it will be your domain that is sold for 2000$

Jan. 14, 2007 - Sun. Jan. 27, 2008
Lnet.net $2,600
gasb.net $1,271

Mon. Jan. 7, 2007 - Sun. Jan. 13, 2008
mdrc.net $1,713

Dec. 31, 2007 - Sun. Jan. 6, 2008
Mpro.net $2,488
RSRP.net $1,367
LIRS.net $1,326

 

[DomainMagnate]

No Michael , pay attention to the list of DNJ , there are also several 4 or 5 figures deal that are bought from other domainers..... my Cairns.mobi sold for $3,000 was just an example.

Lorenzo, I'm talking about LLLL.net's, no domainer would pay 4 figures for a domain that's worth $25
It's good to see that there's some end user interest in these though.

Congrats on that .mobi sale

 

[dag]

In case it tells us a little something about LLLL.net values...

JCCC.info is going for $49 on Ebay right now with 11 bids and 24 hours left!

 

[vlad74]

tdnam expired

ebto.net $10+regfee
budl.net $10 + regfee

 

[buckshotdots]

And I think that a lot more domains were sold to end-users in 100$-800$ range but were not reported at DNJournal. Look at this nice possible ROI If you have 1000 premium LLLL.net domains you have a nice chance that it will be your domain that is sold for 2000$

Excellent point.

Does anyone have info on the %'age of LLLL.com's that are developed as this will seriously effect LLLL.net enduser prices (not to mention soaring .com prices) PLUS they will have no other "better" option. As well with all the LLLL.info's etc being slowly bought, when the "LLLL sellout in all extensions" happens the sellers market will become VERY strong.

note: I have no idea if that would ever occur -a total LLLL buyout in all the major ext. but nothing wrong with wishful thinking.


g-

 

[ebatcave]

What I don't understand is a firm with around $4-5 million could corner the market and buy up all remaining .ORG, .NET and .INFO LLLL's, which would drive up the prices for everyone. I don't see why there aren't any investment firms willing to do this, especially with the proof of the LLLL.com price explosion....

 

[duceman]

What I don't understand is a firm with around $4-5 million could corner the market and buy up all remaining .ORG, .NET and .INFO LLLL's, which would drive up the prices for everyone. I don't see why there aren't any investment firms willing to do this, especially with the proof of the LLLL.com price explosion....

I'm sure that a couple of people have created a model and decide to wait. IMO if you set your model for a modest ROI the buy out could be done now.

A complete buyout by one entity would create several challenges and pitfalls....

 

[ebatcave]

Believe me, I've been involved in riskier ventures than this would be

 

[DomainMagnate]

What I don't understand is a firm with around $4-5 million could corner the market and buy up all remaining .ORG, .NET and .INFO LLLL's, which would drive up the prices for everyone. I don't see why there aren't any investment firms willing to do this, especially with the proof of the LLLL.com price explosion....

John, did you hear about the previous LLLL.com buyout? Not sure exactly about the year, but I think it was around 2000, a company bought all remaining LLLL.com's. Investment of a few million $, but the market wasn't ready, there weren't enough domainers at that time, so the next year they dropped all the names. a 100% loss :td:

I think one player can't just boost the prices, LLLL.com's were now bought out by many smaller investors and that ensures stability as they were all well aware of the risks and ready to spend money for renewals. Imho if one person/company buys half of the LLLL.net names, it might not create the desired effect.

 

[buckshotdots]

I think one player can't just boost the prices, LLLL.com's were now bought out by many smaller investors and that insures stability. Imho if one person/company buys half of the names, it might not create the desired effect.

Desired effect with be decreased supply/increased demand. Isn't the amount of people getting onto the net supposed to grow by 40% alone just this year? Plus more and more people are finding out about domaining every day. Wait till domaining is more mainstream and "a lot" of people have some of their money invested in this area of investing.

We are investors that have thought outside of the bureaucratic "box" of old school banking. We are way ahead of the curve, wait until mainstream catches up. It would be great one day to goto Smith Barney or where ever and ask to see all the funds that deal with internet domaining. But I am getting waaay ahead of myself. Who knows where this will lead but I do know money follows money...

just my 2 cents (I need to get off caffeine)
g-

 

[Ja$on]

Well I decided I am going to gamble a little on LLLL.net's.

I have sold a few for $10-$100 a pop already after holding them for less then a month.

 

[Shasta]

John, did you hear about the previous LLLL.com buyout? Not sure exactly about the year, but I think it was around 2000, a company bought all remaining LLLL.com's. Investment of a few million $, but the market wasn't ready, there weren't enough domainers at that time, so the next year they dropped all the names. a 100% loss :td:

It seems very odd that any company would just invest a lot of money on a short term plan. You'd think they would have held onto the names for a couple of years...

All the 4 letter .coms were registered in the fall of 2000. Therefore, it seems to me that their registration fee would have been due around the time of the 9/11 bomibing of 2001. Perhaps the sudden downfall of the stock market and market instability was more of a reason for the drop of the 4 letter .coms than the lack of domain buyers.

 

[Ja$on]

I had a buddy who sold gems on ebay, he said around 9-11 he couldn't sell anything anymore. No one wanted to spend their money and I bet this had something to do with dropping all of the LLLL.com's.

 

[vlad74]

tdnam expired

pkak.net $40 + regfee
iudi.net $15 + regfee
yaby.net $52 + regfee
qari.net $30 + regfee
pnow.net $15 + regfee
pctd.net $20 + regfee
cueg.net $10 + regfee
allr.net $67 + regfee
topg.net $25 + regfee
getq.net $10 + regfee
onow.net $20 + regfee
fnow.net $40 +regfee

looks like prices are on the rise

 

[duceman]

I'm surprised at the number of 4L.net's that I have that are getting traffic.

 

[Shenron]

I'm surprised at the number of 4L.net's that I have that are getting traffic.

Now here's a great point...

I have around 400 LLLL's parked atm and only 30% are .Nets, somehow they're getting 90% of the traffic...

 

[duceman]

Right now I have them all parked with Fab because is was easiest. I might move the traffic names over to Domain Sponsor so I can take advantage of the auto-optimization of the keywords.

 

[italiandragon]

a CVCV is ending soon at SEDO:

tewi.net

http://www.sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=25199&tracked=&partnerid=

 

[diddie]

I'm surprised at the number of 4L.net's that I have that are getting traffic.

i get traffic on .nets too, more than on .coms

 

[Lakshan]

a CVCV is ending soon at SEDO:

tewi.net

http://www.sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=25199&tracked=&partnerid=

ahh, gr8
i have some CVCV.net's
i will wait few months before puting them on sedo

 

[paxton]

a CVCV is ending soon at SEDO:

tewi.net

http://www.sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=25199&tracked=&partnerid=

I have a CVCV (kimi.net) that is also at auction at Sedo right now.

Wish me luck. :hehe:

 

[ilcesco]

I have a CVCV (kimi.net) that is also at auction at Sedo right now: http://sedo.com/auction/index.php?auction_id=25684

Wish me luck. :hehe:

Niice..
Have you ever heard of Raikkonen?

 

[paxton]

Niice..
Have you ever heard of Raikkonen?

Yes, the race car driver.