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The LLLL.com sales and discussion thread

Located in "Short" Domain Discussion, started by italiandragon, Aug 6, 2007

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  1. equity78

    equity78 Top Member TheDomains Staff TLDInvestors.com PRO VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    Yeah I have had an uptick in that as well, but for only one name, SYBS.com which I usually get North American inquiries, but the last month the Chinese have been emailing everyday, I thought maybe a company over there or some pop culture reference got hot. The weird thing is a bunch keep asking me how much? When some are coming through Epik and it's priced there, so probably just stupid games by them.
     
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  2. Haris

    Haris Best Domainer Of The End-Times VIP

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    Anyone buying random LLLL.com's?
     
  3. Recons.Com

    Recons.Com Top Contributor VIP

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    There are lots of random LLLLs that shouldn't have any value as an investment. Some already sell at $xx. Even if we might not see them ending in drops, lots of them should.
     
  4. Andrew Knox

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    I disagree. I think high $xx to low $xxx is about right for random 4Ls and I see floor prices increasing over the next few years. xkcd.com makes a good case for meaningless 4Ls. How many people know KPMG stands for Klynveld Peat Marwick Goerdeler? It may as well just be random letters.
     
  5. gotasale

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    LLLL.com will replace gold and Cryptos one day :happy::-P

    In my country , Cryptos not allowed , buying gold ( need a secure place )

    Liquid domains are the best
     
  6. Recons.Com

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    XKCD is not a random, it is a decent one.

    And KPMG is a really good one and would have found a home even without the big 4 firm.

    Names, like N/P/Q/V, for example, probably have zero current potential users and probably won't have any for many years to come.

    Instead of spending high xx, low xxx on a name like that, you'd be better off buying a nice brandable for $8-20 from expired or closeouts and with 1-2% chance of selling at $1500-3000.
     
  7. gilescoley

    gilescoley Top Member PRO VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    I bought this one fore $156, can you see any value in it?

    ITUV.com
     
  8. Recons.Com

    Recons.Com Top Contributor VIP

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    I dropped out at earlier rounds, I guess ) It is a good name, but still will be a hard sell, imo. No clear end users. It starts with IT, so that is good. But it is one of those names that would sell better at a brandable market with logo and presentation.
     
  9. Rahul Sinha

    Rahul Sinha Be Positive and Be truthful

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  10. uzver

    uzver Established Member PRO

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    Can someone help me better understand premium western CVCV patterns?

    I’d like to invest in a couple of CVCVs for long term holding, but I worry that
    a) I may buy some worthless shit for mid-high X,XXX range
    b) I won't be able to sell them at fair wholesale prices if I decide to liquidate

    I understand that O-E and O-A vowel combo (e.g. MOBE, COHE, DOHA, SOLA, etc.), as well as repeated vowels (e.g. BADA, MOHO, SESE, DEGE, etc), seem to fetch highest sales.

    With that said, what do you guys think are the fair market prices for the following sample domains (please ignore possible meaning if any):

    MOBE, COHE, DOTA, SOLA
    BADA, MOHO, SESE, DEGE

    Is it fair to say that acquiring something like this for around 5-7K would be a good deal? What about $10,000?

    There are not so many comps available in this category to understand the current liquid value of such domains. Plus, I'm totally confused because of the sales like these:

    hese.com, $5,600
    nege.com, $4,600
    bopo.com, $10,000
    soca.com, $10,000
    soga.com, $20,000

    All domains seem to share the same characteristics: CVCV, pronounceable, western letters, sold this year, reseller prices (NJ and GD). OK, some may have more potential end-users on LinkedIn and are occupied in more extensions, but still - all seem to be very similar. So why such a huge difference in prices?
     
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  11. frank-germany

    frank-germany domainer since 2001 / musician VIP

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    CVCV is desireable

    with some C's less worthy
    like

    V
    W
    J
    Y
    X

    a meaningful cvcv .com
    can get as high as the company can afford
    some may not be worth $1500 USD

    so it highly depends on the name and the buyers pockets
     
  12. uzver

    uzver Established Member PRO

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    Thanks, Frank. I appreciate your input.

    Those are the well known basics. It would help if you could re-read my post and answer the specific questions I raised. I know about Western letters, and which of those are premiums.

    My questions are slightly different. I want to buy a top CVCV and need some help to identify it properly. I don't want to pay 15K for something that costs 5K (and both can follow same premium CVCV pattern).
     
  13. frank-germany

    frank-germany domainer since 2001 / musician VIP

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    my ranking would be

    great:
    MOBE
    DOTA
    SOLA

    decent:
    DEGE
    BADA
    SESE

    ok:
    COHE
    MOHO


    speak them loud
    the better they sound
    the easier for the tongue
    the better
     
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  14. uzver

    uzver Established Member PRO

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    Why does BADA not qualified for your "great" list? It sounds pretty much the same as SOLA and DOTA, especially like the latter one since SOLA is more soft. What am I missing?

    Thanks
     
  15. frank-germany

    frank-germany domainer since 2001 / musician VIP

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    just my 2 cents

    it's not a science
    more like an art

    but things may change
    when you have a buyer

    then it depends on the buyer
    and his buying power
    and your negotiation skills
     
  16. frank-germany

    frank-germany domainer since 2001 / musician VIP

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    you may be interested in this book

    Start with NO...
    The Negotiating Tools that the Pros Don't Want You to Know
    by Jim Camp (Author)
     
  17. namey

    namey Established Member ★★★★★★★★★★

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    Different markets, different sellers who want a certain price, different buyers willing to pay a certain price, etc..

    MOBE DOTA SOLA BADA are great names and could be dropped into any start up that does anything. For such versatile domains, they can command a huge premium. Meanwhile, some CVCV are not so lucky and would be worth less. In your example, MOHO, while is CVCV it sounds likes like "more ho" and ho comes from "whore" so wouldn't be as attractive to most businesses. Still that is a better domain than most CVCV.
     
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  18. NameAgency

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    SOLA stands for the the feminine form of "alone" in spanish.
    SESE is a chinese pinyin term and has some meanings. Check out https://chinese.yabla.com/chinese-english-pinyin-dictionary.php?define=sese (I don't speak chinese)

    Besides CVCV patterns, premium consonants, buyers and negotiation skills, meaning factor is also important. Chinese gave us all a lesson of value in the last 3 years. Always check for alternative non english meanings, not only for positive but also for negative reasons.
     
  19. uzver

    uzver Established Member PRO

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    Thanks. I’m aware of this book, and I’m a big fan of another one:

    The Secrets of Power Negotiating by Roger Dawson
    .

    I bought it from Audible a while ago and listened few times already. Great one.

    I understand my posts sound like I’m a newbie, but I’m actually not :xf.smile: I completed slightly over 100K+ in sales with net profit of 60K during last couple of years. But my focus has always been one word .orgs and two word .coms.

    I’d like to shift my focus to some liquid domains. 3L’s are expensive. So I thought that CVCV’s may be a better alternative to me.

    Once again, my questions are about acquisitions. I understand the sales part.
     
  20. uzver

    uzver Established Member PRO

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    Thanks! That’s exactly what I wanted to know. And I can see that being a non-native speaker I can easily make some mistakes along the way.

    How much would you think is a fair liquid price for domains like these?
     
  21. uzver

    uzver Established Member PRO

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    Great point, thanks!
     
  22. frank-germany

    frank-germany domainer since 2001 / musician VIP

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    for the newbies here:
    The Secrets of Power Negotiating by Roger Dawson.

    is an old book
    every customer knows the tactics described already

    it was the first book I ever read on negotiation

    negotiation has evolved


    Start with NO...
    The Negotiating Tools that the Pros Don't Want You to Know
    by Jim Camp (Author)

    was the third book I read on negotiation

    it outperformed the other 2

    4th book:
    if I only could remember the name of the british lady...

    she recommends quoting a very high price as fast as possible
    in order to "anker"

    somebody knows the name?
     
  23. uzver

    uzver Established Member PRO

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    Ok, interesting. I will read that one too.

    At the same time, I liked the basics described by Roger Dawson, and one can use that knowledge and extend it with the newer tricks.

    I haven’t read other books you mentioned, but saying no (and pretending IDGAF) was exactly how I negotiated my best 2 sales to date.

    negotiations are fun. But it takes time, patience, good amount of great domains, etc.

    I’ve sold five domains last year: 18K + 8K in Feb-March, 16K +1.5K + 1K in Oct-Dec. Revenue-vise, I’m very happy. But I’m not happy about worthless 6 months between March and October.

    This year, I changed the strategy. I don’t negotiate. I just use realistic BIN + payment plan. 20 sales to date (7 of which on a payment plan) for a total amount of around 17K. I’m would be more happy about this year than the previous one if the tendency continues.
     
  24. HappyW

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    Because few of them know how to invest. I don't like how they trade.
     
  25. HappyW

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    I used to participate in its auction, but lost it, I think its price is too high.
     

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