The best Drop Catching Services

[GeorgeQuang]

Hi Fellows, i just create this thread to get your experience about Drop Catching Services.
My question is : in 2017, which company is the best for getting Pending Delete Domains ?
- DropCatch
- Snapnames/NameJet
- Pheenix
- Go Daddy Backorder
- Dynadot
Thanks so much for your time

 

[NameAgency]

In terms of success rate:

- Snapnames/NameJet
- DropCatch
- Pheenix

Only for low profile names:
- Go Daddy Backorder
- Dynadot

 

[Name Trader]

I have a different take than @NameAgency. In terms of success rate DropCatch catches at least 50% of the drop caught .com domains, Could be a lot more. The disadvantages of DropCatch is that if there is more than 1 backorder for a domain, the domain goes to public auction, and goes to the highest bidder, who may not have even bid on the domain pre-deletion. This is a significant problem. But if you are the only bidder, you win the domain outright. The advantage is you prevent NameBright going after that same domain. You should always use a full price backorder. Their discount club backorders come with so many exceptions. And some say NameBright might even be using your discount club backorder to also backorder the domain. The discount club backorder always will lose out.

SnapNames/NameJet are probably the next biggest winning backordering block of domains. Like DropCatch, domains with 1 backorder are won outright and with multiple backorders go to a closed auction (unlike DropCatch). A closed auction is an auction where only the original backorderers participate.

Pheenix has two levels of backorder. Full price and discounted price. There will be exceptions, but I haven't determined (personally) much difference between the 2 prices. Pheenix generally will pick up stuff not caught by DropCatch/SnapNames/NameJet.

Dynadot are competing with Pheenix for this bottom of the food chain. I tend to backorder at both. Sometimes Dynadot beats out Pheenix. Sometimes Pheenix beats out Dynadot. We are talking here about domains which would probably drop if backorders had not been placed.

Anybody placing a backorder at GoDaddy and expecting to win the domain over any of the above dropcatchers are deluding themselves. You can handreg a domain faster than GoDaddy can execute a backorder on a domain.

Everything stated above, is the norm. You will always be able to point to a few exceptions.

 

[Fancy.domains]

What makes a drop catcher really successful?

I guess the obvious answer should be lavish, advanced and updated software / servers, so the snap simply can be made faster than the competitors. As I understand it, it might differ as little as milliseconds.

I am not a "tech guy" at all, so maybe someone can confirm or correct me.

 

[GeorgeQuang]

Nice reply @stub , but using Dropcatch like providing capital for HugeDomain to buy the whole domaning world. As you know, HugeDomain has changed their strategy to improve their portfolio's qualify : start buying names from Auctions like GD Expired, NameJet.etc. They let the game more competitive now.

 

[steitieh]

What makes a drop catcher really successful?

I guess the obvious answer should be lavish, advanced and updated software / servers, so the snap simply can be made faster than the competitors. As I understand it, it might differ as little as milliseconds.

I am not a "tech guy" at all, so maybe someone can confirm or correct me.

The number of registrars owned by the company is what makes the difference - the technology is almost the same... You hit the registry with the maximum requests possible per second - but what makes a difference is how many registrars owned by you are doing the same thing at the same time

So to answer your question, the number of registrars owned by the drop catching company which are deployed to drop catch is what makes the real difference here.

Hope it helps -
-Rami

 

[Fancy.domains]

The number of registrars owned by the company is what makes the difference - the technology is almost the same... You hit the registry with the maximum requests possible per second - but what makes a difference is how many registrars owned by you are doing the same thing at the same time

So to answer your question, the number of registrars owned by the drop catching company which are deployed to drop catch is what makes the real difference here.

Hope it helps -
-Rami

Interesting. Thanks a lot Rami! I really appreciate it.

I made a G-search and now this really make sense:

http://domainincite.com/21309-dropcatch-spends-millions-to-buy-five-hundred-more-registrars

 

[steitieh]

Interesting. Thanks a lot Rami! I really appreciate it.

I made a G-search and now this really make sense:

http://domainincite.com/21309-dropcatch-spends-millions-to-buy-five-hundred-more-registrars

My pleasure man... yea, that's true - DropCatch (NameBright) is HUGE - I totally agree with Stu, if Dropcatch decides to go against NameJet or SnapeNames, it will most of the times, snap the name!

 

[Daniel Owens]

You can't register a domain faster than godaddy can catch it. They check 6 times per second, which isn't nearly quick enough to snap up a premium expiring domains. However, you can't check 6 times per second yourself it is impossible. For, high quality domains snapnames is probably the best way to go.

I have a different take than @NameAgency. In terms of success rate DropCatch catches at least 50% of the drop caught .com domains, Could be a lot more. The disadvantages of DropCatch is that if there is more than 1 backorder for a domain, the domain goes to public auction, and goes to the highest bidder, who may not have even bid on the domain pre-deletion. This is a significant problem. But if you are the only bidder, you win the domain outright. The advantage is you prevent NameBright going after that same domain. You should always use a full price backorder. Their discount club backorders come with so many exceptions. And some say NameBright might even be using your discount club backorder to also backorder the domain. The discount club backorder always will lose out.

SnapNames/NameJet are probably the next biggest winning backordering block of domains. Like DropCatch, domains with 1 backorder are won outright and with multiple backorders go to a closed auction (unlike DropCatch). A closed auction is an auction where only the original backorderers participate.

Pheenix has two levels of backorder. Full price and discounted price. There will be exceptions, but I haven't determined (personally) much difference between the 2 prices. Pheenix generally will pick up stuff not caught by DropCatch/SnapNames/NameJet.

Dynadot are competing with Pheenix for this bottom of the food chain. I tend to backorder at both. Sometimes Dynadot beats out Pheenix. Sometimes Pheenix beats out Dynadot. We are talking here about domains which would probably drop if backorders had not been placed.

Anybody placing a backorder at GoDaddy and expecting to win the domain over any of the above dropcatchers are deluding themselves. You can handreg a domain faster than GoDaddy can execute a backorder on a domain. - Not true about regging faster by hand. GD checks 6 times per second.

Everything stated above, is the norm. You will always be able to point to a few exceptions.

 

[steitieh]

You can't register a domain faster than godaddy can catch it. They check 6 times per second, which isn't nearly quick enough to snap up a premium expiring domains. However, you can't check 6 times per second yourself it is impossible. For, high quality domains snapnames is probably the best way to go.

In fact, I have snapped names (using DynaDot's API), that I have backordered in GoDaddy, myself and GD Failed - so yes you can go faster than GoDaddy NOT because we're faster or better, but because it seems that they lack interest in the model of dropcatching - like I said, I have personally beat them countless number of times with my own script and DD's API. And sometimes when my script got stuck , the backordered name was AVAILABLE (while it has an active BO in GD) and I registered "Manually"...

Snapnames is not comparable to DropCatch in case of success rate - this is also personal experience - the only edge snapNames and Namejet has is that they do list domainers' portfolios for auctions , therefor, thinking they have higher quality names -

out of 10 times , both exact names in DropCatch and SnapNames (4 Letters.com the hottest now - as 3 letters NEVER drop these days, they're always auctioned by other people) - 7 to 8 times, Dropcatch.com wins.

 

[Daniel Owens]

6 times per second is a lot compared to what a human can manually do, no way a human can do faster that is per second sir not per minuate! 3,600 times per minuate I love'd to see you do that by hand. Maybe, you have a script that can try to do it possibly do it but if your internet connections lags even for 1 mil-second you might lose the domain name.

 

[Daniel Owens]

Also, I was specifically thinking of 4L .com liquid domains that snapnames or dropcatch will easily pick-up. They are very good at that. Sadly, those two companies rip people off by putting them up for auction after.

 

[steitieh]

6 times per second is a lot compared to what a human can manually do, no way a human can do faster that is per second sir not per minuate! 3,600 times per minuate I love'd to see you do that by hand. Maybe, you have a script that can try to do it possibly do it but if your internet connections lags even for 1 mil-second you might lose the domain name.

Here I was implying to normal domains, not 4 L's .com - LLLL.Com's , GD Has no chance against DropCatch.com - as I would also say, SnapNames + NameJet have very little chance against DropCatch.com.

I understand what you're saying, I also understand you're saying 6 times per second, but what I am saying is that I did beat GoDaddy.com with my script and in some occasions as mentioned above, by hand... that concludes one of two - either GoDaddy's script fails most of the time - or they have no interest in Dropcatching, which is also what I said previously.

Also, I was specifically thinking of 4L .com liquid domains that snapnames or dropcatch will easily pick-up. They are very good at that. Sadly, those two companies rip people off by putting them up for auction after.

And its unfortunate here too, true - DropCatch takes the auction public - unlike snapnames that would take it to people who backordered the name only. But at the same time, we have to think about the magnitude of investment they have in place, how much each of their registrar pays yearly to ICANN etc.

In All cases, GoDaddy sucks in dropcatching

 

[Daniel Owens]

Yes, I agree and would avoid GD for premium domain back-ordering. But, yeah it's rather nifty that you have a script for lesser domains that can save you $'s.

Here I was implying to normal domains, not 4 L's .com - LLLL.Com's , GD Has no chance against DropCatch.com - as I would also say, SnapNames + NameJet have very little chance against DropCatch.com.

I understand what you're saying, I also understand you're saying 6 times per second, but what I am saying is that I did beat GoDaddy.com with my script and in some occasions as mentioned above, by hand... that concludes one of two - either GoDaddy's script fails most of the time - or they have no interest in Dropcatching, which is also what I said previously.



And its unfortunate here too, true - DropCatch takes the auction public - unlike snapnames that would take it to people who backordered the name only. But at the same time, we have to think about the magnitude of investment they have in place, how much each of their registrar pays yearly to ICANN etc.

In All cases, GoDaddy sucks in dropcatching

 

[Name Trader]

Here I was implying to normal domains, not 4 L's .com - LLLL.Com's , GD Has no chance against DropCatch.com - as I would also say, SnapNames + NameJet have very little chance against DropCatch.com.

I understand what you're saying, I also understand you're saying 6 times per second, but what I am saying is that I did beat GoDaddy.com with my script and in some occasions as mentioned above, by hand... that concludes one of two - either GoDaddy's script fails most of the time - or they have no interest in Dropcatching, which is also what I said previously.



And its unfortunate here too, true - DropCatch takes the auction public - unlike snapnames that would take it to people who backordered the name only. But at the same time, we have to think about the magnitude of investment they have in place, how much each of their registrar pays yearly to ICANN etc.

In All cases, GoDaddy sucks in dropcatching

I totally agree with you Rami. What GoDaddy say and what they do are 2 totally different things.

@Daniel Owens. To test my theory out. Backorder a worthless domain and see if GoDaddy catches it on the drop. If they don't catch it immediately, you can go right ahead and handreg the domain at GoDaddy way before their script gets around to working. I've seen GoDaddy script take about 5-30 minutes to capture a dropped domain. Anybody can register a domain, even at GoDaddy, in less than 5 minutes. I've even asked their support why a domain I had backordered was not captured but registered at GoDaddy. They go right ahead and told me, my backorder was beaten by a handreg. As if that is normal. Don't believe their marketing hype. It's all BS.

6 times a second is also EONs in the drop-catching game. When the industry is capturing domains in low Miliseconds. It's a miracle they ever catch anything. Save your GoDaddy dropcapch dollars and place them at Pheenix/Dynadot.

 

[Name Trader]

What makes a drop catcher really successful?

I guess the obvious answer should be lavish, advanced and updated software / servers, so the snap simply can be made faster than the competitors. As I understand it, it might differ as little as milliseconds.

I am not a "tech guy" at all, so maybe someone can confirm or correct me.

I just woke up. I live in SE Asia too. I see Rami has answered the question, as I would have done.

 

[Name Trader]

Nice reply @stub , but using Dropcatch like providing capital for HugeDomain to buy the whole domaning world. As you know, HugeDomain has changed their strategy to improve their portfolio's qualify : start buying names from Auctions like GD Expired, NameJet.etc. They let the game more competitive now.

It's a matter of using the best capturer to capture a specific domain. Not about funding DropCatch. If you saw GOLD.COM in the drop. The GoTo dropcatcher is DropCatch. But you would also place dropcatch orders at SnapNames/NameJet just in case by some quirk of fate they capture the domain. I'd also include Pheenix because they have the 2nd largest registrar pool behind DropCatch. However, I think their dropcatch script is not as good as SnapNames/NameJet's

 

[GeorgeQuang]

hey @stub , i'm in SE Asia too. Where are you from ?
We just only domaining at the night in SE Asia :D

 

[Fancy.domains]

hey @stub , i'm in SE Asia too. Where are you from ?
We just only domaining at the night in SE Asia :D

I am Swedish, but I have been living in Thailand for 14 years. And yes, I am the only one who is sitting in my office building at night, haha

 

[GeorgeQuang]

Nice @Fancy.domains . The domaining time starts between 11:PM to 4 AM in SE Asia time zone
Sometimes, when i feel asleep or drunk too much with my friend and start buying domains, all I get are junks. But it's life