Labeled as domain in Domain Appraisal, started by BitDomains, Feb 21, 2021 at 3:45 PM
usb.com - $10-15k
photographs.com - $8-12k
Australia.net - $2k
2227.com - $15-20k
The domain USB.com seems to have been stolen by hijacking owner domain vantiv.com.
Are these your names?
I think the OP posted these to see if anybody on here understands the value of domain names. @Constantin S you're either playing the joke back or you don't.
I'd be very surprised if anybody outside the top very few, very rich, domainers or broker firms owns all four of these.
OP wrote in his second post that he manages those domain names. The history of usb.com shows something fishy took place in february.
For many years WHOIS of USB.com showed the registrant email address [email protected](.)com and previously other @vantiv.com email addresses with Network Solutions as the registrar.
USB.com recently updated < possibly 2021-02-16T22:47:27Z> to show the registrant email address as [email protected]danwin1210.me with WebNic.cc as the registrar.
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What's interesting here, is the domains nameservers appear to have been hijacked.
FisWorldPay.net WHOIS previously showed [email protected](.)com as the registrant, but WHOIS was updated <possibly on 2021-01-06T09:21:06Z> to [email protected]danwin1210.me
FTPSLLC.net WHOIS previously showed [email protected](.)com as the registrant, but WHOIS was updated <possibly on 2021-01-06T09:21:06Z> to [email protected]danwin1210.me.
FTPSLLC.com WHOIS chngd from [email protected](.)com to firstname.lastname@example.org
I'm not seeing @BitDomains' full posts. I'm having to rely upon other's quotes of what that user has posted. No idea why. Is s/he deleting after you've quoted?
What do you know about this? It appears that Brittany Wieland changed email provider. So what? Could be work related or not. And if there is something fraudulent going on, wouldn't it be more sensible to contact the perceived legal registrant rather than plastering it all over the web? You may well have warned thieves and interrupted whatever official forensic work may be going on.
I use the expression perceived owner because private sales are more common than those made public, if the estimates are to be believed. The value of usb.com is such that a theft is hardly likely to go unnoticed. Not impossible. Just highly unlikely.
He deleted his messages just after my first post.
I think it is useful to warn and prevent other NP members to purchase stolen domain names.
NP members? Have you got any idea of the value of those domain names? The one you are yelling about is worth millions!! NP members in the running for that? The lowest value one is in the region of $100k. Oh, of course, you're going to see it on an NP auction. When? Next week?
Self-righteous naval gazing gone utterly beserk. Get real.
People selling stolen domain names are looking for a quick sale far below estimated value. Some stolen domains are being bought fast without due diligence because the buyer think he is getting a bargain.
And as far as I know some NP members own very good domain names.
@BitDomains had listed USB.com for sale in namePros Top Domains section about 40 minutes prior to creating this appraisal thread. Listed as make offer, and immediately closed the thread for comments, requesting offers be made via PM.
Do you practice any diligence whatsoever prior to purchasing a domain or do any research prior to posting misguided comments on nP?
Some additional info:
2017: Vantiv acquired/merged with WorldPay $10 billion
2019: FisGlobal bought WorldPay $35 billion
FisGlobal uses MarkMonitor as their registrar for FisGlobal.com and many of their other domains. WorldPay.com also uses MarkMonitor. However, Vantiv.com remained at Network Solutions under
[email protected] since 2015 up until the recent switch to [email protected]danwin1210.me
Many other previously managed Vantiv domains registered at NetSol had recently updated from email@example.com to [email protected]danwin1210.me below:
+ many more.
Lastly, BigHornConsultants, had tweeted @FISGlobal back in September 2020, attempting to get in touch with Brittany Wieland of Vantiv. No idea what this was about, it could be unrelated or it could have been diligence related to a domain offered for sale.
There appear to be a number of amateur - and I stress the word amateur - sleuths around here. Then they go plastering their "findings" around without doing their due diligence.
Who have any of you contacted to verify the current status of the domain(s)? If there are - and none of you have made a prime facie case to suggest there has been - any underhand or illegal activities, who is dealing with them?
If the OP put a dodgy domain name up for sale, especially one of such high value (maybe, as such accomplished domainers, none of you understand domain name value?) instead of waving big red flags and flashing blue lights at them, why not report the fact to the appropriate authorities and have them caught bang to rights? Which may also have helped put the rest of the gang away.
Was the OP simply trying a scam with a domain he has no jurisdiction over, whether as a sole operator or as part of a gang?
A troop of you stomping over the evidence in size 13 boots and allowing them to quietly slink off back into the undergrowth does not come across to me as super sleuthing ace detective work.
@Grilled, if there is any illegal activity resulting in the financial transactions you have highlighted, those transactions are not showing it. Companies do both merge by agreement and predate each other aggressively within stock markets. Mostly quite legally, although who knows what goes on behind the scenes? And once merged/acquired, all of the assets belong to the merged party to do with as it pleases.
Finally, from which point I have no more to add, companies, individuals too for that matter, often don't even go so far as to acknowledge requests for information or contact from third parties beyond a statutory duty to respond or comply. What statutory reason did Big Horn Consultants have with which to demand either response or compliance?
What in the world wide web are you ranting about now?
I added the Reuters.com links to demonstrate the history/ownership of Vantiv > WorldPay > FISGlobal. Not at all implying illegal activity.
Like I said, I have no idea why BigHornConsultants had reached out to FisGlobal. If you look at the tweet history of BigHornConsultants, they have a long tweet history of making offers for domains and twitter handles. They appear to practice a level of due diligence. Not sure why, but It sounds like you were offended to see Big Horn Consultants "demand" either response or compliance, when all it looks to be was some sort of diligence.
Anyways @Mike Goodman, amateur hour is now closed. You are free to troll elsewhere.
Apologies and LOL. I was taking your post in the same spirit as the ones before it, as very early on you implied I may not follow due diligence, which actually I do assiduously, and make "misguided comments", which is very much open to judgement, that judgement being reliant upon the bias of the readers in many instances.
But no, I wasn't offended by anything you said. The rest of your post was a factual representation, so far as I could see. Nothing to take offence about. I was simply expanding upon that so nobody could be so misguided as to draw conclusions from it. If anything, your statement pointed towards there being even less reason to suspect nefarious deeds.
I know nothing about Big Horn Consultants and have no interest in following anything they have done. But I, too, have been ignored in the past when making perfectly innocent enquiries to people and to businesses. Simply stating that can and does happen.
Two different things:
1. High value domains being listed for valuation by an apparent thief, and:
2. Silly low valuations
These domains appear to have been stolen from different registrants and this thread has been reported for the mods to examine closer.
Great post, thanks @Acroplex. But, err-hum-err, you forgot to post the caveat:
"Disclaimer: All posts, information and content on the web site DomainGang.com are fictional, humorous and depict a satire - unless a "100% True" image or statement is present."
Oh dear, so it was! Tucked away beneath an ad banner.
Different registrants but there would appear to be a consistency in the registrar, however. How odd NetSol comes up again. And again. And again. Now, all you great detectives, what might that suggest?
Love the site. Bookmarking it.
Mike - the domain theft report on DG was based off this thread; furthermore, I don't create satiric posts on domain crime. After 11+ years and almost 11k articles, maybe I've slipped once or twice.
On subject: while I agree that the valuations here right below the OP's now edited post were ridiculously low, the focus should be the status of these domains. Grilled shared very detailed info on what transpired and I hope NetSol will plug the hole that allows for such valuable domains to be hijacked or stolen.
Agreed 100% on NetSol. I still don't like the childish rush to say "look how clever I am" without considering the consequences of screeching it out publicly. But yes, there is serious cause for concern.
In recent days, incentivised by that sentiment, I've moved the few domains I had with them away from NetSol and was pleased with how they were handled - partly by the parent company. So maybe they're getting wise at last to the very high probability somebody within NetSol itself is involved. Hard to believe that is not the case really. That has been mooted several times publicly so I'm hardly letting out compromising intelligence saying it here.
I can't say I am convinced between the OP trying to pull off a scam and authorisation codes may never change hands with the money gone, or some larger scale group involvement. But the NetSol involvement does raise the eyebrows, methinks.
It is great to see that you now agree that there is a serious cause of concern... The next step is to understand that the main consequence of publicizing those theft will be that these stolen domain names will be harder to sell. Everyone reading this thread can figure who the amateur and childish is.
Thanks Acro for stepping on this thread and publicizing the thefts. I reported this thread as well just before my initial post.
Separate names with a comma.