Telepathy...really?

[Keith]

I'm sorry but not a chance I'll ever pay $19 in order to negotiate on a domain. This is a clear money grab. You get bombarded with emails? Set up an automated system to field offers and go from there. This is the kind of shit that gives the domain industry a black eye!

 

[LucidDomains]

I thought about this last night, initially I like "what, really?". But the more I think about it, the more I think its a good idea. If you're getting 100s of emails a week and 99% of those are timewaster. Weeding them out with a small fee does not seem like a bad plan to me.

Obviously there will be some who will be 'rubbed' the wrong way by this, but it's no skin of the owner's nose/back when they are the ones with the assets in demand.

 

[mwzd]

Sedo, Godaddy, Afternic do not charge a dime to accept offers for domains listed with them.

Not every domain you'd want to buy would be listed with them.

And if it's not, they charge:
$69 https://sedo.com/brokerage/acquisition.php?domain=good.com&language=us
$59 https://in.godaddy.com/domains/domain-broker.aspx
$69 https://www.afternic.com/domain-broker

Those sites that you mentioned are also not the domain owners. They are paid as a third party to act on a buyers behalf. That's not the same thing that we're discussing in this thread.

Is securedoffers owned by Telepathy or just a 'buyer qualification / certification system' they use?

 

[Kingslayer]

Its greed pure and simple and any business who does this deserve to have their domain names rot in cyber space with no money or offers.

Being a business owner myself, when you’re a business, customers and potential customers are your everything, even the window shoppers just coming around for a nosey, be respectful and that goes a long way and they may come back some other time and buy.

Saying to a potential customer ‘to even talk to me/us costs x amount’ is having a superiority complex and the need to feel above someone and I personally wouldn’t do business with any person or company like that.

 

[wormfood]

Inquiry pages like several entities already use. You enter the desired domain and it gives you a minimum requirement in order for a successful submission. Simple and free!

Don't make the mistake of equating opening offers to "real" buyers. Real buyers are savvy. I seem to recall eBet.com having an opening offer of $10k and ultimately selling for over $1.3 million. Oh, and the seller, he doesn't charge to accept incoming emails...

This is probably what I would do if it were me (use a minimum offer submission form).
Not trying to make excuses for Telepathy, but maybe their preferred method of negotiation is to let the buyer decide on the initial offer. And if they set the minimum offer to 10k (through one of those "entities") for a six figure domain specifically to leave that more open, they might have to go through a lot of offers to find one where the buyer actually has strong intentions and a reasonable price in mind.
In other words, maybe they don't mind the 10k initial offer as the owner of ebet.com didn't, but they want to make sure there's at least a motivated buyer behind it.

 

[james haw]

Its greed pure and simple and any business who does this deserve to have their domain names rot in cyber space with no money or offers.

A business needs to make and maximise profits, so what's wrong with charging for a service? How is $19 "greedy"? And why do you think they deserve such harsh punishment? They've done nothing wrong.

They don't have a monopoly on the market, it's just a website with a service who charge for it.
These gripes are fine with mandatory things like petrol/gas, mortgage rates, etc, but it's not an issue for an online service which can only be used if you have tens/hundreds of thousands of dollars to spend anyway. So then $19 is acceptable. If they removed the $19 fee, would you suddenly use the service?

Being a business owner myself, when you’re a business, customers and potential customers are your everything, even the window shoppers just coming around for a nosey, be respectful and that goes a long way and they may come back some other time and buy.

They are not being disrespectful to anyone. All businesses have different protocols, and individual needs dictate different specific approaches to manage the business. Maybe they get 100 or more spam and lowball offers every week. I wouldn't want to deal with all that when I only have 5 and 6 figure premium names to sell, would you?

Also, "window shopping"? You think they should spend time or money trying to accommodate people who are just window shopping? Bearing in mind in context of the discussion, "Window shopping" is sending lowball offers (as the $19 is all about not being able to send offers, nothing else).

Are you against members only clubs? Because you should be entitled to enter and use the facilities?

Saying to a potential customer ‘to even talk to me/us costs x amount’ is having a superiority complex and the need to feel above someone and I personally wouldn’t do business with any person or company like that.

"Superiority complex", "need to feel above someone"? Why, how, have you turned a business' basic payment charge for a service into something entirely emotional? You said yourself you run a business, do you provide your services for free?

 

[Keith]

A business needs to make and maximise profits, so what's wrong with charging for a service? How is $19 "greedy"? And why do you think they deserve such harsh punishment? They've done nothing wrong.

They don't have a monopoly on the market, it's just a website with a service who charge for it.
These gripes are fine with mandatory things like petrol/gas, mortgage rates, etc, but it's not an issue for an online service which can only be used if you have tens/hundreds of thousands of dollars to spend anyway. So then $19 is acceptable. If they removed the $19 fee, would you suddenly use the service?



They are not being disrespectful to anyone. All businesses have different protocols, and individual needs dictate different specific approaches to manage the business. Maybe they get 100 or more spam and lowball offers every week. I wouldn't want to deal with all that when I only have 5 and 6 figure premium names to sell, would you?

Also, "window shopping"? You think they should spend time or money trying to accommodate people who are just window shopping? Bearing in mind in context of the discussion, "Window shopping" is sending lowball offers (as the $19 is all about not being able to send offers, nothing else).

Are you against members only clubs? Because you should be entitled to enter and use the facilities?





"Superiority complex", "need to feel above someone"? Why, how, have you turned a business' basic payment charge for a service into something entirely emotional? You said yourself you run a business, do you provide your services for free?

Name one other product that requires payment just to find out the asking price of that product? Think cars, travel, sports, food, homes...inquiries are what business is all about. How much is a plane ticket? How much is a car? How much is a ticket to an event? How much is the house I'm interested in? People don't want to pay to find out how much something costs!

 

[LucidDomains]

You are comparing apples with oranges.

Think of it another way, if you owned Cars.com and every day you got 1000 email inquires.

You by yourself couldn't cope the all the inquiries and 99% of these are lowball offers and timewasters. So what do you do? You hire someone, perhaps a clerical admin to weed through a 1000 emails a day. But that person comes at a cost of $19 an hour.

Would you do it so you can spend time with your family, wife and kids? Perhaps you're running another business or have a day job?

 

[Keith]

You are comparing apples with oranges.

Think of it another way, if you owned Cars.com and every day you got 1000 email inquires. You by yourself couldn't cope the all the inquiries? 99% of these are low offers and timewasters? So what do you do? You hire someone perhaps clerical admin to weed to 1000 emails a day. But that person comes at a cost of $19 an hour.

Would you do it so you can spend time with you family and hire out the help?

Set a minimum offer requirement. It's that simple. It can be $10 or $10 million, doesn't matter.

People aren't going to make big dollar offers just to pull your chain, generally speaking. This is like saying, well, one house is valued at $50k so offers are free to present to the owner. Another is valued at $500k so please pay $19 to present your offer to the owner.

 

[LucidDomains]

Set a minimum offer requirement. It's that simple. It can be $10 or $10 million, doesn't matter.

People aren't going to make big dollar offers just to pull your chain, generally speaking. This is like saying, well, one house is valued at $50k so offers are free to present to the owner. Another is valued at $500k so please pay $19 to present your offer to the owner.

" People aren't going to make big dollar offers just to pull your chain. "

This happens ALOT more than you think.

I received a $5.5 million dollar offer for my best domain SexVR(.)com a few ago weeks. Some people do very stupid things. There's no punishment for them, so why not make these big offers and string owners along. It happens a lot.

 

[JB Lions]

I agree with Keith. You can set minimums to weed out lowball offers, just like you can at Sedo. Then I read the terms:

"In exchange for Your payment of the Offer Fee and Your agreement to these Terms, we will send Your offer to the email address of the administrative contact of the registrant as reflected in the WHOIS database of the registrar currently sponsoring the Domain Name, or other email address if so designated to us by the Seller. You acknowledge that the information in the WHOIS database might not be accurate and that we have no obligation to, and will not, confirm the accuracy of any WHOIS information. The full extent of the SOS is the attempt to deliver Your offer to Seller. Any further communication between You and Seller is beyond the scope of the SOS."

http://www.securedoffers.com/terms-of-service/

If I paid $19, I would have an expectation and would want a receipt of the offer being received by the owner.

 

[LucidDomains]

I agree with Keith. You can set minimums to weed out lowball offers, just like you can at Sedo. Then I read the terms:

"In exchange for Your payment of the Offer Fee and Your agreement to these Terms, we will send Your offer to the email address of the administrative contact of the registrant as reflected in the WHOIS database of the registrar currently sponsoring the Domain Name, or other email address if so designated to us by the Seller. You acknowledge that the information in the WHOIS database might not be accurate and that we have no obligation to, and will not, confirm the accuracy of any WHOIS information. The full extent of the SOS is the attempt to deliver Your offer to Seller. Any further communication between You and Seller is beyond the scope of the SOS."

That's just covering themselves, like any ToS would. Have you read the ToS at any registrar? It's shocking.

 

[wwwweb]

I don't think many here understand the value of the portfolio.

This is not a fish and chip shop that needs to advertise it's products. These are one off assets, and they are not priced for speculative nature. These are assets someone needs, and if they are going to buy them, they are going to need to dig deep.

2 months ago they bought all these names in a single sale, can you imagine the spam they get.


ctx.com
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hkq.com
hqq.com
jjq.com
jjx.com
jzq.com
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lqd.com
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lyk.com
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mfk.com
mqj.com
mqk.com
mqr.com
mzz.com
nbq.com
ncz.com
nqd.com
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nqk.com
nqq.com
nxd.com
nxk.com
nzt.com
pqj.com
pqy.com
qbj.com
qfj.com
qnz.com
qzb.com
qzl.com
rxk.com
rzz.com
sxl.com
sxn.com
szt.com
szz.com
tkx.com
wjx.com
wrj.com
wtq.com
wzt.com
yff.com
yzc.com
yzd.com

 

[JB Lions]

That's just covering themselves, like any ToS would. Have you read the ToS at any registrar? It's shocking.

They're not needed. Setting minimums addresses the issues of lowball offers. I understand it'll cut down on some lowball offers, but it could also cut down on potential sales, you're seeing it right here in this thread of that happening.

Reading the FAQs, it just seems like an extra hoop somebody needs to jump thru. It looks like a legit service to me but to some buyers it might not look like that. Yeah, it'll stop lowball offers, might even stop people with legit offers as well.

 

[LucidDomains]

" Okay so no punishment for wasting your time, so let me make you a $30K offer for 3 of those domains above.

What the hell I buy the portfolio off you for 2 M ? "

or

" I own several similar domains, let me string along the owners of several similar domains and find out what their prices are like "

Stuff like this does happen everyday. Some timewasters consider it research. Is it unethical, sure, but does it still happen? Definitely.

Anyway, it just my opinion, we can all agree to disagree if you like. I don't see anything wrong with filtering your domain portfolio in this way, especially if you have a portfolio in high demand.

 

[Kingslayer]

You are comparing apples with oranges.

Think of it another way, if you owned Cars.com and every day you got 1000 email inquires.

You by yourself couldn't cope the all the inquiries and 99% of these are lowball offers and timewasters. So what do you do? You hire someone, perhaps a clerical admin to weed through a 1000 emails a day. But that person comes at a cost of $19 an hour.

Would you do it so you can spend time with your family, wife and kids? Perhaps you're running another business or have a day job?

What a ridiculous thing to say, boo-freakin-hoo. That's what business is, dealing with customers, interacting with customers/making customers feel welcome whether you make a sale or not. People are always trying to get the best deals possible, that's life. You/i and everyone here does it when buying domains and so does everyone else when it comes to life in general.

But let me get this right, when the shoe is on the other foot and it comes to SELLING domains, things change, it's all me, me, me, i don't want anyone haggling me, i can't cope, i don't have time to say no, here's an idea lets charge people to send enquiries further improve my bank balance, because the world revolves around me right?

What happens if a person sends a lowball offer with every intention of spending big, I've done that before in business, why? Because that is business, if a person doesn't like that side, they shouldn't be in business, simple as.

 

[LucidDomains]

What a ridiculous thing to say, boo-freakin-hoo. That's what business is, dealing with customers, interacting with customers/making customers feel welcome whether you make a sale or not. People are always trying to get the best deals possible, that's life. You/i and everyone here does it when buying domains and so does everyone else when it comes to life in general.

But let me get this right, when the shoe is on the other foot and it comes to SELLING domains, things change, it's all me, me, me, i don't want anyone haggling me, i can't cope, i don't have time to say no, here's an idea lets charge people to send enquiries further improve my bank balance, because the world revolves around me right?

What happens if a person sends a lowball offer with every intention of spending big, I've done that before in business, why? Because that is business, if a person doesn't like that side, they shouldn't be in business, simple as.

Wow your last several posts have been incredibly douchy. Who the hell are you to tell anyone how to run their own business. You have no idea (and I probably don't I either) how it is like to run an ultra premium portfolio like what they have. So respectfully, until you do, you are talking out of your arse.

 

[wormfood]

They could set up the offer page that says the minimum offer is 20k or something. Then put a note below it saying they get a lot of offers and if you want to show that yours is more legitimate than the others (or just "if you want a faster response"), you can pay the 20 dollar fee.

 

[james haw]

What a ridiculous thing to say, boo-freakin-hoo. That's what business is, dealing with customers, interacting with customers/making customers feel welcome whether you make a sale or not.

You are absolutely 100% correct. However, is that all you think business is, or is it other things as well? It's not black and white! And business is also not spending hours a day weeding out $500 idiotic offers for super premium domain names which will easily sell for high 5 and 6 figure sums.

If you sell 5 and 6 figure sum domain names, your time is much more precious than to be dealing with idiots, lowballers, domain noobs, and spammers!

So in the exact same vein you portrayed, I say back to you: Business is also making money, profit, and boo-freakin-hoo you'd have to pay $19 to be a member of the big leagues on that one site out of hundreds of millions out there. You know how to solve this news worthy rip off of the millennium that is a whole $19? Don't pay it....

 

[JB Lions]

So the problem is lowball offers. So then you find a solution.

A. Set minimums, so lowball offers don't go thru. That works right? I've sent offers thru Sedo and they didn't go thru because the seller set a minimum. It works. Was just playing around with the contact form plugin I use for Wordpress, looks like you can set it up to do the same thing.

B. Use a service where you pay $19. That can cut down on lowball offers as well. But can it also cut down on legit offers? It stopped Keith. That's a real thing. That's a potential lost sale. A. wouldn't have stopped him. I'm trying to look at it as an enduser. Somebody who just wants to make an offer on a domain and sees they have to pay $19 first. There are so many scams on the internet, just look at all the appraisal scams out there. Does the possibility exist that people might think this is one as well? Does the possibility exist that will put somebody off?

So I end up with, how is B better than A? Why is that a better solution to the issue of lowball offers? I'm open to hearing it because I haven't thought of it myself, unless somebody has a reason I haven't thought of.

End of day, it's your business, you do with what you're comfortable with, but A looks better to me. It takes care of lowball offers, people that want to make offers on my domains, don't have to pay a fee, don't have to take extra steps.

 

[LucidDomains]

OK fair enough. That's for lowball offers. You make a fair point.

What's the solution to cut out spammers and fake offer timewasters?

 

[Kingslayer]

Wow your last several posts have been incredibly douchy. Who the hell are you to tell anyone how to run their own business. You have no idea (and I probably don't I either) how it is like to run an ultra premium portfolio like what they have. So respectfully, until you do, you are talking out of your arse.

What? I'm just saying it how it is. It doesn't matter what line of work we are talking about, every industry should have the same principles regarding customer service and a company taking money off people to look around or to 'talk' is 'douchey' if you ask me.

 

[LucidDomains]

What? I'm just saying it how it is. It doesn't matter what line of work we are talking about, every industry should have the same principles regarding customer service and a company taking money off people to look around or to 'talk' is 'douchey' if you ask me.

So if you were to get 1000 offers a week from lowballs, spammers and timewasters for your latest reg VirtuallyReality, you would be happy to spend 12 hours a day going through each one, instead of spending time with you family, friends and/or other business ventures?

At some point, you will think to yourself - You know what I can outsource this.

 

[Kingslayer]

So if you were to get 1000 offers a week from lowballs, spammers and timewasters for your latest reg VirtuallyReality, you would be happy to spend 12 hours a day going through each one, instead of spending time with you family, friends and/or other business ventures?

I'd feel honored that people are taking an interest in something i owned, I don't expect to make loads of £$£$£ just spending 10mins a day on it. Those who make low offers, you just say 'thanks but no thanks' That's all it takes and as said, 1 of those low offers may be someone with money testing the water.

 

[LucidDomains]

Ok what about if someone offers you $5K for it, and you speak to them back and forth for a couple of days. Then at some point you get the impression that they are not actually interested in the domain, but just stringing you along for information. Now imagine that happens to you 100 times week with your entire portfolio of ultra premium domains. Can you understand why someone else might consider implementing a filtering system such as this?

There is no right or wrong answer to be honest. " I'm just trying to free your mind, Neo. "

Till anyone actually owns an ultra premium portfolio, no one really knows how it really is.

 

[Kingslayer]

Ok what about if someone offers you $5K for it, and you speak to them back and forth for a couple of days. Then at some point you get the impression that they are not actually interested in the domain, but just stringing you along for information. Now imagine that happens to you 100 times week with your entire portfolio of ultra premium domains. Can you understand why someone else might consider implementing a filtering system such as this?

There is no right or wrong answer to be honest. " I'm just trying to free your mind, Neo. "

Till anyone actually owns an ultra premium portfolio, no one really knows how it really is.

Well that’s when you know they are messing about, but people can message all they want, people have pm’d me on here trying to get information what I’ve paid for a particular domain, if you don’t want to tell someone you don’t tell.

As for 5k offers, I wouldn’t sell that particular domain for that, so they can keep offering and messaging all they like, I’m not stupid so they won’t get any information I don’t want to pass on so they’ll be wasting their time too, but as said for the most part I’d take it as a compliment people are taking an interest in something I have.

I’d rather people be messaging with crap offers than not at all, because at least you are being seen and believe me if no one was messaging this particular company at all, then they would be worrying.