Stop making children

[italiandragon]

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I won`t have any.

If you do really need one, why don`t adopt one? They are still good.

Spread the message. Save our planet. Please.

more population means worse quality life, less water, less food, less clean air.

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So many children are still houseless, no water, no food, still no one cares.

Stop making children. Spread the message, please.

Thank you.

 

[Domainace]

These "problems," if they are a problem at all and not just natural fluctuations in population, will solve themselves.

Population that cannot sustain themselves will reduce naturally, and that's true for every species on the food chain, from dung beetles to movie stars. By calling for people to voluntarily reduce the number of children, you'll only get well meaning people (or people too comfortable with their current life to want to spoil it with kids) reducing. These are the very people that can afford to raise, feed and educate their children. Meanwhile, the population will grow in the poorest and least developed parts of the world, using more resources than ever (because poverty encourages inefficient use of resources).

There's no more fundamental human right than the right to procreate. So unless you're a big fan of kidnapping pregnant women by the thousands and giving them forced abortions - as in China - you'll just have to deal in your own way with whatever the population trends are.

Anyway, the focus on these big issues that we simply have no control over takes away from the focus on real problems we can do something about... imho.

 

[briman1970]

No Child Left Behind will ensure America continues to fall behind. Top talent in the USA is already largely imported as anyone looking at who is winning international math and science competitions will find. The education system (especially in math and hard sciences) is much more rigorous elsewhere -- even Europe is quite a bit ahead of North America.

Plenty of U.S. corporations are contributing to the economic problems of America by outsourcing their operations.. At the end of the day, U.S. corporations exist to make a profit for their shareholders -- not to create jobs for Americans and not to help the U.S. economy. That an equally qualified and harder working Chinese or Indian employee is willing to work for so much less makes me wonder why it took so long for outsourcing to really take off.

With the rampant grade inflation going on at the U.S. college level and the willingness of many colleges to accept just about anyone, it won't be long before a college degree is equally as meaningless as a high school diploma. Ever consider that corporations might be interested in subsidizing the cost of education because it's ultimately them who benefit? Supply and demand -- double the amount of university graduates and you have not only the ability to find better candidates but also the ability to pay them much less.

I would argue there is not much in the way of political opportunity in America. There are only 2 parties that ever have a chance of winning. With a largely ignorant populace who believe whatever the media tells them and the probability of one person's vote meaningfully affecting the outcome smaller than the likelihood of them winning the lotto, what actually motivates people to vote at all? Economically-speaking, taking the time to vote is irrational, so we rationalize it that we vote because it's this "special right" we have that other countries don't. I don't know what's special about it if it's meaningless. Seems more symbolic than anything else.

The DSM IV is thick enough that I'm pretty sure we could diagnose anyone with something if we tried hard enough. Thanks to American pharmaceutical companies, we can also "cure" them of their affliction. How much better this works than a sugar pill is difficult to ascertain in many instances. We can also thank American pharmaceutical companies for scaring the public into believing drugs are the only way to deal with problems. Let's call anyone who believes healthier eating, using herbal remedies, etc a "quack" because we can't patent those drugs and there is therefore no value for us in researching or educating the public on the fact many natural products are better choices.

Would American pharmaceutical companies ever tell Americans that eating more foods containing Omega-3 could very well eliminate their mood swings, depression, ADHD, etc? How about cinnamon for diabetes? There's no money in that. There's much more money in ensuring Americans stay sick and we can sell them uncovered and expensive drugs. Rather than invest in research, let's invest more in lobbying because clearly we get more for our money that way

Amazing how the government has managed to convince the public that illegal drugs are bad but Adderall (amphetamine salts) is good. Or how about Desoxyn which is basically-doctored approved meth? There was a story I heard a couple days ago about a guy with Irritable Bowel Syndrome who had been prescribed oxycontin to deal with the condition... Have doctors been reduced to legalized drug dealers? We're probably only a few years away from every underperforming child being doped up on nootropics to medically deal with their "learning disorder".

I like America but they have their problems just like any other country.

Great post Reece.

Personally, in the US I believe publicly funded elections with reasonable limits, small-donation matching and gift regulation would solve the majority of our political problems because it would destroy lobbying. Our politicians spend so much time doing favors for donation money that they've forgotten who they work for. Strong anti-lobbying legislation would put us (the people) back in power IMO.

I have a lot of experience with the medical industry because I have a genetic kidney disorder and a close friend who is a nurse anesthetist. The system is more than flawed, it's screwed. 99% of all doctors are bought and paid for by large pharma and insurance companies. I've seen pharmacetical company reps give my doctor's office huge boxes filled with samples for a new drug and then been offered those same samples the very same day. I've been dealing with my disorder for a decade and have done 10x better self-medicating and using supplements than I ever would following doctor's orders.

As far as population density goes, I believe we'll be OK for the next 5-6 decades. As always, we'll let our grandchildren inherit the problems we create.

Completely agree about No Child Left Behind. My wife is a certified teacher and she now works as a substitute because of this idiotic joke forced on our schools by a bumbling fool.

 

[italiandragon]

These "problems," if they are a problem at all and not just natural fluctuations in population, will solve themselves.

There's no more fundamental human right than the right to procreate.

Anyway, the focus on these big issues that we simply have no control over takes away from the focus on real problems we can do something about... imho.

right...see here in Australia I have seen lately some pictures of aboriginal children eating from the same plate their dog was....at the same time.

Some communities near Darwin do not have other than radioactive contaminated water from either uranium mining or radioactive waste mainly dumped from the USA throught an old (then secret) agreement with the Howard Government.

I enjoyed watching the movie 2012.
I won`t enjoy seeing it really happen when I will be old. We are setting up things for some kind of disaster, so saying that things will adjust by them selfes is basically saying "as long as I`m fine, who cares about the other people?"

But I do agree I`m no one to change the way people think and if procreate children who are going to live a miserable life is the way to go then go ahead. Maybe I see it differently because my father died when I was only 6 years old and I basically never had the luck of having a family.

I have decided that I won`t procreate. It just seems to selfish/consumistic the need to have a 'brand new baby" when there are so many without parents around the world who will just love to be adopted.

Have anyone of you watched the movie/documentary "An Inconvenient truth"?

There was a giant lake that Al Gore showed in central Africa, that in 1963 was so big that if you were there (my relatives where there at that time and told me about this) it looked like the ocean. NOw it`s gone, all gone, not a drop and you think there will be enough water , clean safe water to drink by 2050 for 9 or 10 Billion people?
I don`t think so. It`s 10+ years I`m saying to my friend the next oil will be water and now Bloomberg comes out with exactly a book on this topic. No surprise.
So many people will die and there will be wars everywhere in the world to access and control clean water. Then it will be food. Then yes population may adjust once we`ll be getting half dying and starving. If this is good planning...manking is not that intelligent.

 

[mwzd]

Yes Africa too. Add Brasil, Pakistan, and lots of other examples really.

Sry to say this ItalianDragon, but from what you're saying here, it comes across as extremely racist. And where does it stop... how long before Italy is included in the list you're drawing up? Or why stick to nationalities, lets make it about annual salary, anyone earning less than $24k/yr?

Ummm, gotta disagree with you there. Working hard only to give your money to those who do not work hard is a dysfunctional strategy, it implies that no one ever wants to better themselves.

Ever seen a labourer carry 100kgs on his head at 40c temperatures 100 ft to put it into a lift? Saying that this person doesn't work harder than those who sit in plush 200th floor offices w/ central airconditioning and lose the economy billions is totally incorrect.

This is the primary reason outsourcing is successful is that corporations pay other people less money to do exactly what is done in your location.

The U.S. has waged a 'war on poverty' for 40 years and guess what, the percentage of poor in the U.S. over those decades has not fluctuated significantly.

This is actually scary if you think about it. If the US cannot reduce the % of poor w/ all its resources and earnings, what chance does a country w/ a much lower resource base per human have?

Corporations do not hoard wealth. Corporations invest their surplus in...

Corporations invest their wealth in getting the same work done cheaper so their shareholders make more money, that still concentrates their wealth in the hands of the few.

Care to guess what % of revenues or even profits generated by corporations actually goes to the social improvement of the people, even in their home base?

No wonder then that the % of poverty in the US is the same, even w/ revenues going overboard and the government supports this. The $700 billion bailout only paid for 5% of the total loss of money by corporations when it could easily have provided food, shelter and clothing to at least all the poor in the US.

I have decided that I won`t procreate. It just seems to selfish/consumistic the need to have a 'brand new baby" when there are so many without parents around the world who will just love to be adopted.

Why not petition the Australian government to stop providing a monthly payment to people with two or more kids instead of pointing fingers at other countries, who already have population control measures underway. Instead have them pay this incentive only in case of adoptions.

Its an utopian look at the world, but its not going to happen.

 

[Domainace]

right...see here in Australia I have seen lately some pictures of aboriginal children eating from the same plate their dog was....at the same time.
Not the best dinner habits, I agree. But I don't see how it relates to the question of population. If your point is that the wrong people are having kids, then who do you suggest should decide who can have kids and who can't? Who is qualified and, more importantly, trustworthy enough to do that?

You don't stop a few inhumane parents by imposing inhumane rules on all parents.

Some communities near Darwin do not have other than radioactive contaminated water from either uranium mining or radioactive waste mainly dumped from the USA throught an old (then secret) agreement with the Howard Government.
I agree, if this is true, of course it's very bad. But it's another issue from population again.

I have decided that I won`t procreate. It just seems to selfish/consumistic the need to have a 'brand new baby" when there are so many without parents around the world who will just love to be adopted.
Well, some people say it's very selfish/consumeristic to not have kids. That people who are childless by choice just want to enjoy a life without responsibility, and be able to afford all the consumer items they want.

Personally, I think whether one has kids or not is a personal decision, and should remain that way. There are too many example of pure evil being perpetrated in the name of deciding which parents would be unfit (eugenics, to start).

I do think that water will become a problem, and it may even cause wars and other disasters. But I think the only way you can impose the social controls needed to change human behavior and (maybe) prevent this is to create something worse than war and disaster.

Being an optimist, I think that we will solve, avoid or mitigate most of these "dire" threats to our future, and that whatever they bring will not be as bad as all-encompassing social control that takes rights away from the people and gives them to a bureaucratic elite (i.e. Copenhagen).

 

[Ms Domainer]

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I'm a hands off kind of person.

You don't tell me how many children to have, and I won't tell you where to live and what job to do. I'm not anti-birth control, but education, not enforcement, is the key.

Humanity is but temporary anyway; like the dinosaurs, we'll eventually go extinct, maybe sooner than we might think.

Also, plagues and such will take care of overpopulation.

Who knows? Maybe the Swine flu pandemic (which, cruelly, seems to take the young and leave the old) will turn out to be a serious population control system.

Enforced population control will never work, not in the long run. The urge to reproduce is too strong and encoded firmly in our DNA.

Yes, there are those like OP who decide not to have children, but he/she is in the minority. I respect your views, OP. You seem like a very thoughtful person who cares deeply about our planet, but I think our planet will take care of itself, and if we become too intrusive, our planet will send humanity packing.

Extinction IS part of the natural order of things, and why should humanity get a pass? We may reign supreme now, but so did the dinosaurs. It would take just one major natural or man-made disaster to wipe us out.

Conversely, I certainly would not advocate forcing anyone to HAVE children, either.

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[italiandragon]

Sry to say this ItalianDragon, but from what you're saying here, it comes across as extremely racist. And where does it stop... how long before Italy is included in the list you're drawing up? Or why stick to nationalities, lets make it about annual salary, anyone earning less than $24k/yr?


Why not petition the Australian government to stop providing a monthly payment to people with two or more kids instead of pointing fingers at other countries, who already have population control measures underway. Instead have them pay this incentive only in case of adoptions.

Its an utopian look at the world, but its not going to happen.

Samit: I`m not racist as I have been an immigrant myself and know very well what is facing small minded people. It`s not funny.
I did not inlcude Italy simply because italians are well behind most developed countries in new born rates. If it was not for immigrants italy`s populations would decrease each year and its been like that from a while as italians can`t afford to have children at all lately or not more than 1 anyway due mainly to unemployment rate and very expensive housing.

Regarding the Australian Gov. you have my blessing......they actually give some sort of baby bonus....$$$ THOUSANDS....for EACH child....then you wonder why these girls make 4 children by the age of 24?

What is the baby bonus?

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$5,000 is the baby bonus.....not $4,000 like i thought...there you go......4 children and they ge $20K TO PARTY...........because that`s what they do.

Top Baby Bonus Questions / Answers
Top Asked Questions

1) How much is the Baby Bonus?

The baby bonus is $5,000.

Note: If you have twins, you are entitled to 2 x $5,000. The Baby Bonus is indexed in March and September of each year

2) Is the Baby Bonus paid in one lump sum?

Generally Yes. However, if you are 17 or younger, the payment is paid as 13 equal fortnightly instalments. If you are over the age of 18 it can be paid in fortnightly instalments or as a combination of lump sum and fortnightly instalments.

3) Do I have to wait for my baby to be born before I get the payment?

Yes.

4) When do I get paid the Baby Bonus?

Once you have made your claim and your entitlement has been confirmed. Your claim must be lodged within 26 weeks of the child's birth or, in the case of adoption in Australia, within 26 weeks of the adopted child coming into the adopting parents' care. For overseas adoptions the claim must be lodged within 26 weeks of the child's arrival in Australia where the arrival is part of the adoption process, or within 26 weeks of the child coming into the adopting parents' care where the child does not arrive in Australia as part of the adoption process.

5) Do I have to pass an Income or Asset test to get the Baby Bonus?

Currently NO, but from 1 January 2009 this will change. From January 1 next year, a means test will apply to families with a combined income of $150,000 a year or more.

6) Can I get the Baby Bonus?

Baby Bonus is payable to:

* A parent of a baby if the parent meets all other eligibility criteria at any time within 13 weeks of the baby's birth; or
* A parent of a stillborn baby if the parent would have met all the other criteria if the baby had not been stillborn; or
* An adoptive parent if the child is adopted under two years of age and in the case of overseas adoption, enter Australia before turning two years of age; or
* A claimant who is entrusted with the care of a newborn baby if the claimant meets all other eligibility criteria within 13 weeks of the baby's birth and if the claimant is likely to continue to have care of the child for no less than 13 weeks; or
* A claimant who, before a baby is 26 weeks of age, has the baby entrusted to their care because the claimant will be adopting the baby, provided the claimant meets all other eligibility criteria within 13 weeks of the baby coming into the care of the claimant.

7) What is the situation where there is shared care of a baby?

Where there is shared care of a baby within the first 13 weeks of the child's life, the intention is that Baby Bonus remains a payment to the mother. However, in unusual circumstances such as where the mother did not have ongoing primary responsibility for a baby for this period, the payment may be paid to the other carer (or apportioned between both carers in a shared care arrangement).

8) We are planning on adoption, are we entitled to the Baby Bonus?

Yes. Where a child has been entrusted to your care for adoption before two years of age and in the case of international adoptions, has entered Australia before two years of age you will be entitled to the Baby Bonus.

9) Do I get taxed on the Baby Bonus?

No, the Baby Bonus is Tax Free

 

[Michelle]

Just interested to know but after the baby bonus are there any further payments monthy ? Just asking as this does appear alot but if not it's not that bad as I know in the UK we get £80 a month having a child which is around $140 depending on exchange rate.

 

[italiandragon]

Just interested to know but after the baby bonus are there any further payments monthy ? Just asking as this does appear alot but if not it's not that bad as I know in the UK we get £80 a month having a child which is around $140 depending on exchange rate.

look, I `don`t even want to know that to be honest as I had my own share of dating single mothers that the less I know about it the better I feel , anyhow welfare for single mother here and in New Zealand is quite good.

 

[Michelle]

LMFAO I am not a single mother It is a payment made to ALL parents of children in the UK

It is not a walfare :p

Just a P.S I actually have mine put directly into my daughters bank account for her future.. school or car etc

 

[italiandragon]

LMFAO I am not a single mother It is a payment made to ALL parents of children in the UK

It is not a walfare :p

WHATEVER :D

it`s an incentive to procreate in my opinion....."loookkkkk honey....I`m pregnant!!! Yuppie another $5,000!!!!"

:bingo:

 

[GILSAN]

Stop making children? You musta be kidin!!. An Italian saying this is unbelievable. So what are we supposed to do? Have a part of the worlds population making bambinos while the other part is only allowed to adopt?
And who is going to implement this ridiculous idea, the Italian Dragon? Maybe you should move to Africa and try to convince the population there.

 

[-db-]

There's too many people in my neighborhood, and each person seems to have 7 or 8 screaming kids. And they apparently feed them a diet of pure sugar and caffeine. It's like a freaking circus around here on the weekend. I say we start 'fixing' them all. Tie those tubes and cut-off those danglers.

Then maybe I can get some sleep.

 

[italiandragon]

EDIT: keep it open, bring it on.

 

[frednurk]

After careful thinking I came to the conclusion actually that it`s a silly mistake for me to make such an attempt to convince someone else of my views so I apologize and would invite any moderator to remove totally this thread asap please, thank you

good idea as is apparent you don't have a clue!
Controlling population sounds like a thinly disguised version of "Eugenics"
Telling people that the government knows best sounds like "Fascism"
What is next, Gassing Domainers because we have too many and have ideas contrary to yours.

 

[italiandragon]

good idea as is apparent you don't have a clue!
Controlling population sounds like a thinly disguised version of "Eugenics"
Telling people that the government knows best sounds like "Fascism"
What is next, Gassing Domainers because we have too many and have ideas contrary to yours.

Did you register only to argue with someone here?

You got so far (at the time I`m writing this post) 5 posts.

2 are within this thread. This last one of the 2 is pushing me to keep this thread just to make you happy so I`m going to edit what I wrote earlier and want this thread to be kept open.

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ohh I see, so you got lots of experience in everything huh? what was your username before then? And how many times did you get banned?

Back on the topic anyway, calling me fascist won`t make you a better person but then what are you going to tell me about the fact that Australian Government regularly KILL Kangaroo in order to keep their number "under control"?

Yes sure, mankind is not fascist when kill other species but WE NEED TO PROCREATE more of us in order to ensure what?

People like you should experience living in a small tiny island with population density 100 times the ratios that Mumbai has and most of without water or food, then come back and post here what you are thinking about "population control".

Where do you live, in rural Argentina?

and the best part of your post is that you accuse Americans to be idiots and do not accept Global Warming is real. Well dear, global Warming is ALSO caused by OVERPOPULATION. Don`t tell me I need to explain you why? How old are you by the way?

5 posts and with an attitude...

 

[RogueWriter]

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I'm a hands off kind of person.

You don't tell me how many children to have, and I won't tell you where to live and what job to do. I'm not anti-birth control, but education, not enforcement, is the key.

Humanity is but temporary anyway; like the dinosaurs, we'll eventually go extinct, maybe sooner than we might think.

Also, plagues and such will take care of overpopulation.

Who knows? Maybe the Swine flu pandemic (which, cruelly, seems to take the young and leave the old) will turn out to be a serious population control system.

Enforced population control will never work, not in the long run. The urge to reproduce is too strong and encoded firmly in our DNA.

Yes, there are those like OP who decide not to have children, but he/she is in the minority. I respect your views, OP. You seem like a very thoughtful person who cares deeply about our planet, but I think our planet will take care of itself, and if we become too intrusive, our planet will send humanity packing.

Extinction IS part of the natural order of things, and why should humanity get a pass? We may reign supreme now, but so did the dinosaurs. It would take just one major natural or man-made disaster to wipe us out.

Conversely, I certainly would not advocate forcing anyone to HAVE children, either.

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Great post!

There is no doubt that natural disasters will continue to knock us back into oblivion from time to time. Just because a meteor of significant size has not pasted the earth for several thousand years, it doesn't mean it's not going to happen in a couple of days. When yellowstone finally blows here in the states, Lord only knows what the global effect will be. solar flares or solar cooling may introduce a new ice age or create massive deserts. Sacrificing everything that makes life worthwhile on the off chance that our actions might have a miniscule effect on the earth's environment is pointless.

 

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[cancerian]

lol

I love this thread too...:zzz:

 

[italiandragon]

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