Stop making children

[italiandragon]

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I won`t have any.

If you do really need one, why don`t adopt one? They are still good.

Spread the message. Save our planet. Please.

more population means worse quality life, less water, less food, less clean air.

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So many children are still houseless, no water, no food, still no one cares.

Stop making children. Spread the message, please.

Thank you.

 

[Truthman]

The population in most western countries is already on the decline, since fertility rates are below replacement rates as documented by the CIA:
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2127rank.html

So your message of telling people to stop having children is in my opinion is wrong.

With an aging population who will look after you when you are old... Most western countries need more children... Without children a society dies...

Gods plan for mankind from the beginning was to be fruitful and multiply. The act of reproduction can be considered a sacred duty.

Telling people to stop having children goes against nature and God's laws.

The problem is not too many children, there is enough in the world to supply every single need, but there is not enough to supply all the greed.

Can we feed everyone in the world? YES! If we choose to. There hasn't been a year in recent history in which the world has produced less food than it needed. Food is a basic human right, yet some 800 million people globally suffer hunger or malnutrition. The causes of hunger are complex, but the problem lies more in the control, distribution and access to food than in production levels.

Ending hunger is possible. Nutrition and basic healthcare for everyone in the world would cost just US$13 billion a year extra. Here in Australia, were I live. US$61 billion is spent each year on gambling.

This Christmas I recommend supporting one of the charities that help the needy rather than spending money on stuff people don't really need!

The cost of living in most western countries is the problem, people spend a large chunk of their earnings on housing, ie rent or paying of a mortgage... why is housing so expensive? Because of greed.

Rather than preach against having babies, how about preach against greed... The real problem with the world.

 

[italiandragon]

The population in most western countries is already on the decline, since fertility rates are below replacement rates as documented by the CIA:
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2127rank.html

So your message of telling people to stop having children is in my opinion is wrong.

With an aging population who will look after you when you are old... Most western countries need more children... Without children a society dies...

Gods plan for mankind from the beginning was to be fruitful and multiply. The act of reproduction can be considered a sacred duty.

Telling people to stop having children goes against nature and God's laws.

The problem is not too many children, there is enough in the world to supply every single need, but there is not enough to supply all the greed.

Can we feed everyone in the world? YES! If we choose to. There hasn't been a year in recent history in which the world has produced less food than it needed. Food is a basic human right, yet some 800 million people globally suffer hunger or malnutrition. The causes of hunger are complex, but the problem lies more in the control, distribution and access to food than in production levels.

Ending hunger is possible. Nutrition and basic healthcare for everyone in the world would cost just US$13 billion a year extra. Here in Australia, were I live. US$61 billion is spent each year on gambling.

This Christmas I recommend supporting one of the charities that help the needy rather than spending money on stuff people don't really need!

The cost of living in most western countries is the problem, people spend a large chunk of their earnings on housing, ie rent or paying of a mortgage... why is housing so expensive? Because of greed.

Rather than preach against having babies, how about preach against greed... The real problem with the world.

G`day mate.

I disagree.

Let`s leave out religious beliefs which I won`t comment, each person can freely believe what they want.
Let`s look at pure facts.

And let`s start from our home: Australia. We are about 22 million only and we are among the best placed people on Earth because our pop. density is ridicolously low compared to the rest of the world. But yet, we heard on the radio people worrying about our population forecast to reach 35 million by 2050....which makes me laught considering there are about 70 millions more people on this planet each year.

It does not matter which countries they are born in as at the end we breath the same air, we use the same food (throught imports and exports) and if water is short somewhere, somewhere needs to come from. And for water we already struggle.

Your idea about Christmas is great, I personally don`t have nothing to celebrate as I`m alone and won`t even buy a tree or a present, it will be just another day for me , away from all the crazy shopping. Greed is always been part of mankind, I suppose it`s an animal instinct to accumulate....before it was food, now its wealth (to have food).

The big problem are borders but once disasters will hit the Earth because you can`t fit 100 Billion people for sure , then I want to see who`s going to worry about if desperate migrants have a visa or not.

The numbers are there, we can simply ignore them or not.

I know that for some countries adopting a child is so hard but for others is not.

Still anyone can stop making children...but Australia is one of the jokes....we have the baby bonus, go figure, we get this 20 something girls who can`t wait to pop 4 babies so they get $20,000 and send hubby to work while they can be a "full time mum".....

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You may want to check these links before to reply:

In some scenarios, disasters triggered by the growing population's demand for scarce resources will eventually lead to a sudden population crash, or even a Malthusian catastrophe (also see overpopulation and food security).​

from Wikipedia:

World population - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Overpopulation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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also, USA`s population despite everything will increase almost 50 % by 2050 to nearly 450 millions:

Ten Countries with the Highest Population in the World


So, your argument about western countries not having enough new born babies is incorrect.

Migration for most of the times bring nearly any Country going up and up and up.

 

[-REECE-]

I think the problem is with who we let have children. There seems to be a reverse Flynn effect happening now (at least here in Canada) where the uneducated and unemployed welfare recipients are averaging far more children (for more welfare money?) than the wealthy educated professionals and entrepreneurs.

Having low IQ parents + a lack of environmental stimulation during the critical years is pretty much a life-sentence to mediocrity at best.

If "The System" views someone as (psychologically, financially, or otherwise) unfit to adopt a child, why should they be allowed to have their own?

 

[Truthman]

Personally I think the overpopulation myth is a scare tactic used to control people, for the benefit of some...

There have been many doomful population predictions in the past about overpopulation, all failed to come true.

Anyway, there are plenty of good websites that debunk the overpopulation myth:
http://overpopulationisamyth.com/overpopulation-the-making-of-a-myth
http://pop.org/basic-concepts/

Anyway, if you put the whole world population in the US state of Alaska, there would be enough room for each person to have a 4 Bedroom House.

If you put the whole world population into the relatively small Australian Island state of Tasmania, (26410 sq mi) each person would have about 112 square feet (10.40 square meters).

I don't have a problem with Africans growing in population, too many babies is not the problem. The problem is usually bad leadership, injustice, and corruption, which lead to a lack of stability, peace, education and the other things that are needed for human life to flourish.

Be fruitful and multiply!
Trust, be Hopeful, Happy, & of Good Cheer!

 

[labrocca]

There seems to be a reverse Flynn effect happening now (at least here in Canada) where the uneducated and unemployed welfare recipients are averaging far more children (for more welfare money?) than the wealthy educated professionals and entrepreneurs.

I have 4 kids. Love'em to death and they are wonderful. However I will admit a few things. The more kids you have the less money you make. It's not even about professionalism, education, or being an entrepreneur. It's about being a good parent. Parent with one of even two children can normally manage better their careers than parents with 3+ kids. I would almost definitely be making $250k+ per year in my house if we had maybe one child. Instead I make maybe $100k and I have more expenses in my house. Less time to make money and more time spent parenting. That's the bottom line.

I know it's easy to see parents with a pile of kids and think welfare but it's not that cut and dry. Personally I think there should be laws about children and income. The USA in particular rewards you for having children in the form of tax breaks. You would be disgusted probably if you saw my tax returns. I won't really complain because it's an every-man-for-himself type of society we live in but I will be understanding that what's going on is not healthy for our future.

The world population problem is really more of an Asian issue as 1/2 the worlds population is in China and India. EU is bleeding population every year and their own economy is in jeopardy because of this. Soon they'll have to start importing immigrants just to fill their ranks.

 

[Rom]

If you do really need one, why don`t adopt one? They are still good.

Stop making children. Spread the message, please.

This must be a joke...

 

[mwzd]

So what you're saying is Indians and Chinese should stop having babies? Africa too while you're at it?

While the 'developed' world keeps offering incentives to their unemployed and unemployable to have more kids.

The problem, as Truthman has correctly pointed out, is not that their are too many souls on the planet, its the uneven distribution of money and the ever increasing greed of corporates intent on hoarding this wealth to the detriment of mankind.

 

[Kate]

"Save the planet, kill yourself"

 

[ldcdc]

Most western countries need more children...

Indeed, and that is even more important given the huge debts that many of these countries managed to amass. If you start spending money from the future, you'd better have lots of children to share the load you lay upon them.

So, your argument about western countries not having enough new born babies is incorrect.

The US is an exception actually.

 

[labrocca]

So what you're saying is Indians and Chinese should stop having babies? Africa too while you're at it?

China One Child Policy - Overview of the One Child Policy in China

I don't need to say it when the Chinese government already believes it to be the correct course of action. Obviously they are well aware of the problem and have already taken steps. The Indian government needs to consider this as well.

In the USA we don't actually have an overpopulation problem.

 

[frednurk]

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What we need is MORE people , not LESS

 

[-db-]

I feel both sides are correct to some degree. It's a very deep, complicated issue. But I'm not in the mood to discuss overpopulation in depth today.

Instead, let me just say this... I've always found it strange that you're required to pass multiple tests, and need a license to drive a car -- but anybody can produce a kid, sometimes 10 or 12 kids, regardless whether they're equipped to care for them. THAT's a real problem. And there's nobody to step in when people are irresponsible.

 

[italiandragon]

This must be a joke...

why?

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"Save the planet, kill yourself"

that must be a joke. And I do not like it.

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What we need is MORE people , not LESS

and how many people would be enough?

I`m not saying that we are already overpopulated but like a train going at fast speed you got to think when you need to brake well in advance because people won`t stop all together making children and so far we are gaining 70 millions every year.

That`s more than the whole population of Italy or more than 3 times the whole population of Australia or 1/4 population of the whole US......EACH YEAR.

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So what you're saying is Indians and Chinese should stop having babies? Africa too while you're at it?

While the 'developed' world keeps offering incentives to their unemployed and unemployable to have more kids.

The problem, as Truthman has correctly pointed out, is not that their are too many souls on the planet, its the uneven distribution of money and the ever increasing greed of corporates intent on hoarding this wealth to the detriment of mankind.

Yes Africa too.
Add Brasil, Pakistan, and lots of other examples really, I would include the US as a 50 % net gain by 2050 is scary in my view. Have you guys ever lived in a big city? Have you ever experienced traffic jams at all? I have been in the continents and can see something is going utterly wrong...but maybe I should realise this topic is too hot to debate it and should leave it to people like AL GORE, sorry, I will remove it from my signature and stop annoying you with my thoughts.

Regards

 

[andr69]

....that sounds more like "kill a beaver-save the forest".
Sorry, but I think that's not a way out, may be we'd better change our lifestyles?

 

[lincolndsp]

"Save the planet, kill yourself"

:lol:

 

[dotker]

I totally agree with Truthman, there is enough resources for everyone but not with our greed its human nature, more or less of us we will still be greedy and want more, we are always hungry for everything.

 

[RogueWriter]

The problem, as Truthman has correctly pointed out, is not that their are too many souls on the planet, its the uneven distribution of money and the ever increasing greed of corporates intent on hoarding this wealth to the detriment of mankind.

Ummm, gotta disagree with you there. Working hard only to give your money to those who do not work hard is a dysfunctional strategy, it implies that no one ever wants to better themselves.

The U.S. has waged a 'war on poverty' for 40 years and guess what, the percentage of poor in the U.S. over those decades has not fluctuated significantly.

Corporations do not hoard wealth. Corporations invest their surplus in expanding into new territories, new product lines, or researching on how to make their current product lines more effective. These investments allow those who want to earn a living for themselves to work, save up their own funds, send their families to college and someday open their own business, where they will employ additional people.

By overtaxing large corporations, you limit their ability to protect themselves from economic downturns, from competing globally against competitors, from employing workers, from researching new drugs, etc.

A few quick questions for folks to look into. Where do the World's leaders fly to when they are battling a life threatening condition? What % of the world's new drugs are introduced by American owned pharmaceutical corporations? How many lives do those drugs save every year? How many millions of people will die in the future if there is no incentive for those companies to bring new drugs to market?

To the original post, I would say Americans, in general need to have MORE children, not less. Given that we are based in a land of economic, politicical, social and religious opportunity, by having more children we increase the worldwide % of advancement in those categories.

 

[-REECE-]

No Child Left Behind will ensure America continues to fall behind. Top talent in the USA is already largely imported as anyone looking at who is winning international math and science competitions will find. The education system (especially in math and hard sciences) is much more rigorous elsewhere -- even Europe is quite a bit ahead of North America.

Plenty of U.S. corporations are contributing to the economic problems of America by outsourcing their operations.. At the end of the day, U.S. corporations exist to make a profit for their shareholders -- not to create jobs for Americans and not to help the U.S. economy. That an equally qualified and harder working Chinese or Indian employee is willing to work for so much less makes me wonder why it took so long for outsourcing to really take off.

With the rampant grade inflation going on at the U.S. college level and the willingness of many colleges to accept just about anyone, it won't be long before a college degree is equally as meaningless as a high school diploma. Ever consider that corporations might be interested in subsidizing the cost of education because it's ultimately them who benefit? Supply and demand -- double the amount of university graduates and you have not only the ability to find better candidates but also the ability to pay them much less.

I would argue there is not much in the way of political opportunity in America. There are only 2 parties that ever have a chance of winning. With a largely ignorant populace who believe whatever the media tells them and the probability of one person's vote meaningfully affecting the outcome smaller than the likelihood of them winning the lotto, what actually motivates people to vote at all? Economically-speaking, taking the time to vote is irrational, so we rationalize it that we vote because it's this "special right" we have that other countries don't. I don't know what's special about it if it's meaningless. Seems more symbolic than anything else.

The DSM IV is thick enough that I'm pretty sure we could diagnose anyone with something if we tried hard enough. Thanks to American pharmaceutical companies, we can also "cure" them of their affliction. How much better this works than a sugar pill is difficult to ascertain in many instances. We can also thank American pharmaceutical companies for scaring the public into believing drugs are the only way to deal with problems. Let's call anyone who believes healthier eating, using herbal remedies, etc a "quack" because we can't patent those drugs and there is therefore no value for us in researching or educating the public on the fact many natural products are better choices.

Would American pharmaceutical companies ever tell Americans that eating more foods containing Omega-3 could very well eliminate their mood swings, depression, ADHD, etc? How about cinnamon for diabetes? There's no money in that. There's much more money in ensuring Americans stay sick and we can sell them uncovered and expensive drugs. Rather than invest in research, let's invest more in lobbying because clearly we get more for our money that way

Amazing how the government has managed to convince the public that illegal drugs are bad but Adderall (amphetamine salts) is good. Or how about Desoxyn which is basically-doctored approved meth? There was a story I heard a couple days ago about a guy with Irritable Bowel Syndrome who had been prescribed oxycontin to deal with the condition... Have doctors been reduced to legalized drug dealers? We're probably only a few years away from every underperforming child being doped up on nootropics to medically deal with their "learning disorder".

I like America but they have their problems just like any other country.

Ummm, gotta disagree with you there. Working hard only to give your money to those who do not work hard is a dysfunctional strategy, it implies that no one ever wants to better themselves.

The U.S. has waged a 'war on poverty' for 40 years and guess what, the percentage of poor in the U.S. over those decades has not fluctuated significantly.

Corporations do not hoard wealth. Corporations invest their surplus in expanding into new territories, new product lines, or researching on how to make their current product lines more effective. These investments allow those who want to earn a living for themselves to work, save up their own funds, send their families to college and someday open their own business, where they will employ additional people.

By overtaxing large corporations, you limit their ability to protect themselves from economic downturns, from competing globally against competitors, from employing workers, from researching new drugs, etc.

A few quick questions for folks to look into. Where do the World's leaders fly to when they are battling a life threatening condition? What % of the world's new drugs are introduced by American owned pharmaceutical corporations? How many lives do those drugs save every year? How many millions of people will die in the future if there is no incentive for those companies to bring new drugs to market?

To the original post, I would say Americans, in general need to have MORE children, not less. Given that we are based in a land of economic, politicical, social and religious opportunity, by having more children we increase the worldwide % of advancement in those categories.

 

[dgridley]

Unfortunately, while these world-wide calls to action and initiatives make great news, the average person, i.e., the "Joe" or "Jane" on the street will never make a difference because one or two having one kid won't work.. it has to be everybody.