Solidarity Thread

[Peter45]

Hi everybody

last week I wrote this posting

At that time @QUAD DOMAINS had an Impact Score of ca -170, @Domain noob was at -15
I mentioned these two members because the unfairness which their accounts had been treated with was evident to everybody.

Today
Quad Domains: - 3
Domain Noob (notably without any activity since then): + 28

There are good people in this community, people who care and are ready to take action upon it.


Unfortunately downvoting leads to the poster's account being penalised as it lowers its Impact Score.
You have surely met cases in which accounts were unfairly penalised through a questionable use of the downvoting tool.
Seeing one's posting disagreed with with no apparent reason doesn't annoy as much as seeing one's account unfairly penalised/punished.

In my view the fact that said penalisation is conducted mostly anonymously is extremely toxic for this community.


This thread offers you the chance of flagging up - be it simply through a link or adding a screenshot or a brief explanation - postings which in your view caused their author to be unfairly penalised.
Interested readers will look into it and decide whether to take action or not.

Let's uplift and encourage where anonymous penalising demoralises and intimidates.
Let's counter the negativity spreading through anonymous penalising with positivity.

 

[Echo Mod Team]

Thanks again Echo


Let me get this straight

Me:
"It comes to a point when all arguments and explanations have been used, so that the only way left to show how stupid a tool is is to list examples of how stupid that tool is"

You:



So if - while discussing about anon DV - I reply to a member who disagrees with me telling him "anon DV is a stupid tool" it appears that I'm telling him that he is stupid.

Fair enough

What if I reply to him telling him "anon DV is very useful"
Does it appear that I'm telling him that he's very useful?

And if I reply to him telling him "anon DV is useless", does it appear that I'm telling him that he's useless?

And if I reply to him telling him "I don't care about anon DV anymore", does it appear that I'm telling him that I don't care about him anymore?

And if I reply to him telling him "anon DV is a toxic tool", what does appear?
That I'm telling him that he is toxic?
Or that I'm telling him that he's a tool?


It looks like an attempt to insert words into my mouth in order to justify a moderator's decision.

The sentance above the one we quoted of your post was:

It sounds petty only to those who don't understand its point Kingbilly

It comes to a point when all arguments and explanations have been used, so that the only way left to show how stupid a tool is is to list examples of how stupid that tool is

So technically, you did refer to the username prior to calling them a stupid tool.

To reiterate, you didn't receive a warning for your comment (Even though you appear to think you did or took offense to being reminded of the rules in an alert). The moderator team that handled the case felt that a simple alert might help correct your condescending tone in your post(s). However, this moderator team has noted your account that you are now aware of the rules, so that moving forward, if it should happen again, an official warning will be issued.

I think we've covered NamePros rules and policies regarding this adequately now. There's no need to keep repeating our previous answers.

Please reference and keep the following Expectations for Respect and Constructiveness in mind moving forward: https://www.namepros.com/threads/expectations-for-respect-and-constructiveness.845259/

And here's the official rule that goes along with the above guide:
1.2. Be professional, tactful, and constructive at all times, including with your username and profile picture. Do not intentionally disrespect, harass, threaten, attack, instigate, insult, antagonize, or be aggressive toward others.

 

[Peter45]

So technically, you did refer to the username prior to calling them a stupid tool.

Well - beside the fact that I don't understand what do you mean with them... - yesterday we were watching TV.
I said to my friend sitting next to me, Hey Steve, this show is stupid.
Although I did refer to his name prior to calling the show stupid, nobody in the room came to the idea that I was insulting Steve.


When you make a mistake you have two options, the first one is to admit it. It's time and energy saving, and you get the bonus of looking honest.
The second one is starting inventing interpretations and secondary rules, which usually ends up with you entangled in a sea of contradictions, so that your only way out is applying brute force.
Which is what had happened, if this exchange would have taken place outside the Help Desk section.
(God bless 1.5 and its creators)


It's okey Echo, I'm not angry.
I think this exchange was a civilised one.

Just a last one, since we are here to have fun

In which case I could make a list of 4.000+ replies in this forum which had a condescending/antagonistic tone.

Actually I don’t need 4.000 postings, I just need John Berryhill : )

We know that if one wants to know what condescending and antagonizing mean in English, all he needs to do is to pick up randomly a couple of JB's postings.

So, I wondered, could it be that JB too used words ... Well there you go
foolish, 4 postings
moron, 4 postings
dense, 4
gullible, 4
ignorant, 11
dumb ... ... 45!

... stupid ... ... ... !!! s i x t y f o u r !!!
(how can you not love this lawyer)

And in none of those 150+ postings those epithets appeared to the mods as referring to JB's interlocutors.

As I said, I'm perfectly fine with different treatments based on the different status of a forum user. I could even come up with a couple of good reasons for that.
Thank you for your dedication Echo

 

[Peter45]

Thread title: Has anyone else's EPC plummeted?

#194

Someone will point to @TjWarrior's previous bad behaviour, but - beside the questionable fact of keeping punishing a user because of previous bad behaviour - that's not the point.
The point is, what are those downvoters disagreeing with.
Or are they signalising that he is a troll?
Is this the real point of anon DV?

 

[Peter45]

That one person is still a human with feelings. Part of the job of a moderation team--or any oversight body--is to protect the minority from the majority.

How wonderful.
I guess there is a couple of supporters of the ex US President in this community whose feelings were unsettled by that posting.

Imagine what would have happened back then to the account of a forum member proposing to round up, fix and deport President Obama's supporters.
Or imagine the same forum member proposing to confine black people, or proposing to round up gays and lesbians and fix them, "so they can have a better life" (no Echo I'm not proposing those ideas. Please don't start again with the you are implying- and the technically speaking-game).

Among the mods there would have been a race to the Smoke Out Account button.

So why the author of that posting gets such a free pass from the mods you ask. Imo it has less to do with treating accounts differently according to their status, and more with cultural affinity, or political bias.

Anyway, even if I'm not one of them, my solidarity goes today to the members of this forum who support the ex US president, i.e. those who according to that posting should be round up and fixed

 

[Paul]

So why the author of that posting gets such a free pass from the mods you ask. Imo it has less to do with treating accounts differently according to their status, and more with cultural affinity, or political bias.

No, it has to do with the fact that not a single person reported it. Not one. You didn't even link me to it. I had to search for it and report it myself.

We're not sitting around all day policing the break room. If you see someone suggesting to round up > 30% of a country and deport them, report it. That should go without saying.

@JB Lions: Really? C'mon. You know better.

 

[JB Lions]

No, it has to do with the fact that not a single person reported it. Not one. You didn't even link me to it. I had to search for it and report it myself.

We're not sitting around all day policing the break room. If you see someone suggesting to round up > 30% of a country and deport them, report it. That should go without saying.

@JB Lions: Really? C'mon. You know better.

What? It's a political thread. You should know better than to listen to trolls like the one above that didn't point out anybody's else's posts, which are much worse. The deport stuff was a joke, everybody in that thread knows that. Guess what, we joke around sometimes. The people that actually post in that thread have no problem with each other. Daniel loves me, ask him. We're adults, we understand when we talk about politics, we will disagree, sometimes it might get a little heated. We're all fine with that. Doesn't matter what some troll thinks who doesn't post in the thread and might have had his feelings hurt from something somebody said. Use the Block Feature the forum comes with @Peter45 A little obsessive counting words then posting them without context, which makes one a bit dishonest. And since you like to count @Peter45, why don't you count how many times Daniel has posted he loves me - https://www.namepros.com/search/562768/?q=love+JB&c[users]=Daniel+Owens&o=date And @Paul the mods are aware of the thread and have said many times heated debate is fine. And the people who actually post in that thread are fine.

I thought this was some other thread, then I go back and read from the begging of the thread to find out this has been nothing a big @Peter45 troll thread of him complaining about stuff.

 

[Peter45]

Oh, it was a joke.
Proposing to round up and fix people based on their skin colour, sexual orientation, political or religious beliefs... is allowed in this forum, as long as it’s a joke?
I don't think so.

I'm still convinced that if a declared right-leaning member - as opposite to the many left-leaning members here - would joke about rounding up people of colour or homosexuals - just like you do with Trump supporters - the moderators would ban his account from this platform.

The benefits of sharing the same cultural or political camp with the moderators.

And the people who actually post in that thread are fine.

Well, good for them.
The problem is that that thread is public. You are arguing as if it were a private chat.
What about the non-posting reading members. What about the non-members readers.

So - e.g. - if you are debating with a homosexual on the public square, you think that you are allowed to propose to round up homosexuals and fix them as long as your interlocutor doesn't take it personal.
What about those who could hear you. It's a public square.

You seem to be convinced that you are allowed - in a public space like an internet forum - to propose - just for fun, of course - to round up black people as long as the Afro-American you are debating with doesn't take it personal.



Finally, you refer to me as a troll 3 times. The last time someone insulted me the mods gave me a penalty because my reply to him was "antagonising and condescending". Good for you that you have the mods on your side.

 

[JB Lions]

Oh, it was a joke.
Proposing to round up and fix people based on their skin colour, sexual orientation, political or religious beliefs... is allowed in this forum, as long as it’s a joke?
I don't think so.

I'm still convinced that if a declared right-leaning member - as opposite to the many left-leaning members here - would joke about rounding up people of colour or homosexuals - just like you do with Trump supporters - the moderators would ban his account from this platform.

The benefits of sharing the same cultural or political camp with the moderators.





Well, good for them.
The problem is that that thread is public. You are arguing as if it were a private chat.
What about the non-posting reading members. What about the non-members readers.

So - e.g. - if you are debating with a homosexual on the public square, you think that you are allowed to propose to round up homosexuals and fix them as long as your interlocutor doesn't take it personal.
What about those who could hear you. It's a public square.

You seem to be convinced that you are allowed - in a public space like an internet forum - to propose - just for fun, of course - to round up black people as long as the Afro-American you are debating with doesn't take it personal.



Finally, you refer to me as a troll 3 times. The last time someone insulted me the mods gave me a penalty because my reply to him was "antagonising and condescending". Good for you that you have the mods on your side.

You are a troll/instigator. You posted 3 times in that thread. Your first post you said, I'm not American, not into politics, but then proceeded to repost a troll tweet from a right wing account.

As far as this nonsense:

"Good for you that you have the mods on your side."

I just had a 3 month account restriction from replying to another troll.

The important thing Paul pointed out is that nobody in that thread, you know, actual people that participate daily, reported the post. We're fine with it, it's a political thread and they understand when I'm joking and they understand we're going disagree and sometimes it gets heated. Yet, we all still participate. And for those that don't like it, they don't have to post or they can use the ignore feature.

And it dishonest, weird, you may be bored, to count how many times somebody says a certain word. The dishonest part is when you leave out context.

If you need help finding the Ignore Feature, let me know. I'm glad to help out newbies.

 

[Peter45]

Your first post you said, I'm not American, not into politics, but then proceeded to repost a troll tweet from a right wing account.

This is the posting you are referring to JB Lion.
You are convinced that in order to find that speculation interesting one must be a Trump supporter, or a right wing.
Maybe you are wrong

And for those that don't like it, they don't have to post or they can use the ignore feature.

So you think you can write whatever you want, as long as your interlocutors don't report it.
The others, the readers, they can skip it. Or they can use the ignore feature.
I like that.
I'll try to use that argument the next time one of the moderators lecture me about forum rules.

But should you in future come up to the idea of jokingly proposing to round up and fix groups of people other than Trump supporters - like e.g. people with specific religious beliefs - I think it could become a problem.
Your argument, that your interlocutors didn't report you and the readers can skip and use the ignore feature, I'm not sure it would be of help.
And should then the mods not act upon it, you could put them too in trouble, I believe.

 

[JB Lions]

Show attachment 247446

This is the posting you are referring to JB Lion.
You are convinced that in order to find that speculation interesting one must be a Trump supporter, or a right wing.
Maybe you are wrong




So you think you can write whatever you want, as long as your interlocutors don't report it.
The others, the readers, they can skip it. Or they can use the ignore feature.
I like that.
I'll try to use that argument the next time one of the moderators lecture me about forum rules.

But should you in future come up to the idea of jokingly proposing to round up and fix groups of people other than Trump supporters - like e.g. people with specific religious beliefs - I think it could become a problem.
Your argument, that your interlocutors didn't report you and the readers can skip and use the ignore feature, I'm not sure it would be of help.
And should then the mods not act upon it, you could put them too in trouble, I believe.

Yes, I can write about politics and joke around in the Political thread. That thread has been going for 11 years. Do you grasp that people will disagree when talking about politics? People that actually post in that thread understand this, even tho you don't. You didn't get it was a joke because you're not a regular participant in the thread. And I was joking about MAGAs. Your reply above was talking about something else, sexual orientation, skin color etc. That post had nothing to do with that, but you needed a way to drama it up, again being dishonest.

It seems your goal here it not to be part of a community, a regular participant but go around the forum to find stuff to complain about. And you're taking it to some weird level when you actually take time to count words.

I went to take a look at your earlier posts in the thread where you were complaining about some people getting downvoted. One person already explained this to you, but I think it went over your head, so let me try once more. Those downvotes were to SPAMMERS. Spammers are not welcome here. Spammers are not people/bots you should feel sorry for. Maybe, push away from the keyboard, put your phone down and go outside and get some fresh air. It will probably do you a world of good. Or you can count my words in this post or spend the rest of your day looking for something in this forum to offend you.

 

[Peter45]

You are a troll/instigator.

No.
I’m just someone concerned about "jokes" about rounding up and fixing people because of their political views.

I’m someone who is concerned about those who learn of "jokes" about rounding them up and fixing them because of their skin colour, sexual orientation, political or religious beliefs etc.

 

[JB Lions]

No.
I’m just someone concerned about "jokes" about rounding up and fixing people because of their political views.

I’m someone who is concerned about those who learn of "jokes" about rounding them up and fixing them because of their skin colour, sexual orientation, political or religious beliefs etc.

It wasn't about that, was it. If fact that kind of stuff is against the rules, I've actually reported racist and anti-gay comments before. And I've already addressed what you posted more than once now. Maybe, take some time today and familiarize yourself with the rules. No MAGAs were hurt with my posts, they'll be ok. You can simply visit that thread and see we're talking and joking with each as usual. It's like you're trying to introduce drama, stir it for some reason with people where there was none.

 

[Peter45]

Hi @Paul , @Bravo Mod Team

before this posting, 2 days ago, I had an Impact Score of 637.
Now, 3 postings later, I’m at 620.
So - 17

The IS overall balance of the last 4 postings - which all concern my debate with JB Lion - is + 4
i.e. - please correct me if I'm wrong - after #44 I got at least 21 anonymous downvotes.

Although these anonymous downvotes hit mostly - if not exclusively - other postings of mine, the cause for this anon downvoting barrage was clearly #44 and the following debate with JB Lion in this thread.

If I'm right, I want to know from you what’s the point of downvoting postings that have nothing to do with my debate with JB Lion because of what I say within this debate with him.

Thanks

 

[Peter45]

No, it has to do with the fact that not a single person reported it. Not one. You didn't even link me to it. I had to search for it and report it myself.

Fair enough Paul
(and yes, I didn't post a link to that posting, forcing you to search for it. My bad)

I did't reported it because I don’t like to report people.
I mentioned that posting in this thread just because I was recently lectured by your boss about forum rules.

That said, it has been now 3 days since you learned about it and I haven't seen any reaction - not that I'm calling for one - neither from you nor from @Alfa Mod Team @Bravo Mod Team @Echo Mod Team @Foxtrot Mod Team, so I'm not sure what would have been the point of that reporting.


Keep in mind that there is no reason to consider the idea of rounding up and fixing people because of their political or religious beliefs less bad than the idea of rounding up and fixing people because of their skin colour or sexual orientation.

If a right-leaning member had proposed the latter one of you mods would have already banned his account.
The reason why it didn’t happen lies - imo - in the mods team's political or cultural bias. If the mods team belonged to the other camp - those who according to the "joke" should be rounded up and fixed - your reaction would have been - imo - quite different.


Unfortunately this episode piles up on last week’s Kingbilly episode, when your colleague Alfa treated my Anon DV is stupid and his You are a troll as equivalent.

It followed a week long attempt - by means of the you are implying- and the technically speaking game - of your boss Echo to put in my mouth You are stupid in order to get that equivalence with Kingbilly’s You are a troll which would have justified Alfa’s decision.

As if trying to frame a forum member in order to save his mod colleague’s buttocks wasn’t enough, Echo had subsequently even the nerve of lecturing him - both in private and in public - about forum rules.

Now, just one week after I was instructed about the forum rules which prevent condescendence - I had addressed someone with the nick of PeakDomains as peaky - a guy call me names 4x in a row and I have to put up with it otherwise you mods will gave me another penalty for antagonising.


I’m not calling for punishing forum members, that's why I didn't report that posting in the first place. I’m just putting down these notes as a reminder for the next time I get lectured by a mod about forum rules.

 

[Future Sensors]

I’m just putting down these notes as a reminder for the next time I get lectured by a mod about forum rules.

It seems by now that this has affected you deeply. I wish you strength.

 

[Echo Mod Team]

That said, it has been now 3 days since you learned about it and I haven't seen any reaction - not that I'm calling for one - neither from you nor from @Alfa Mod Team @Bravo Mod Team @Echo Mod Team @Foxtrot Mod Team, so I'm not sure what would have been the point of that reporting.

I'm not sure if you are referring to a different incident or the same one.

We can see that within a few hours of @Paul report of your unlinked/unreported (report), that a moderator team not only removed the content, the member received a negative point warning/infraction for it.

For internal use ONLY: https://www.namepros.com/conversations/warning-inappropriate-content-generic.3341744/

Can you link us to the violation you are referring to that was reported and not addressed/resolved?

We would be happy to look into it for you.

Remember, it all starts with a report. Moderators don't sit around and actively monitor the breakroom. Once a report is made, it enters into a report queue, which notifies moderators assigned to the specific section the report was made in so they can investigate and get more involved (When applicable).

 

[Sam1234]

I'm actually with Peter45 here without reading much of these posts, I think the "offending" party should have been banned ages ago just for being an obvious paid shill/liar (we all know it) and deliberately flooding the political forum with BS to drown out legitimate opinions. And in that capacity it wouldn't surprise me if he (or his partners, if he has them) just went on an all-out assault against someone's posts for supporting Trump. I've never seen the moderator political bias and I hope it doesn't exist, but I mostly stay out of the political forum for the reasons I mentioned above. If it was my site I would take action to stop shills from ruining it, but of course you do that and they send more shills and accuse you of being biased in the opposite way. In the end are the moderators here to run a domain site or a political forum?

 

[JB Lions]

I'm actually with Peter45 here without reading much of these posts, I think the "offending" party should have been banned ages ago just for being an obvious paid shill/liar (we all know it) and deliberately flooding the political forum with BS to drown out legitimate opinions. And in that capacity it wouldn't surprise me if he (or his partners, if he has them) just went on an all-out assault against someone's posts for supporting Trump. I've never seen the moderator political bias and I hope it doesn't exist, but I mostly stay out of the political forum for the reasons I mentioned above. If it was my site I would take action to stop shills from ruining it, but of course you do that and they send more shills and accuse you of being biased in the opposite way. In the end are the moderators here to run a domain site or a political forum? I hope the moderation is "fair", but if not then Peter45 can take comfort in the fact that like 70% of the country believes as he does, so even if his voice is drowned out it he's still in good company.

Well of course you do, let me remind people of your posts in the Political Thread, that were downvoted by the regular participating members of that thread - https://www.namepros.com/threads/the-usa-political-thread.764342/page-4195#post-8969352

Would you like me to copy and paste some of your posts?

"Confident enough to run your mouth and pretend your statements are facts, but not confident enough to put your money where your mouth is? Come on, cough up some of that shill money bro."

Maybe, you just didn't like the stuff you posted in that thread getting taken apart by everybody. It's funny you calling people shills in your posts.

 

[Sam1234]

Of course that is the kind of stuff we are talking about, people who troll this site and keep a dossier on everyone with a differing opinion so they can pull links out of their ass and reply to any post in like 10 seconds by referring to that member's previous posts as though they were in court or something. Who does that who is not paid to do so?

 

[JB Lions]

Of course that is the kind of stuff we are talking about, people who troll this site and keep a dossier on everyone with a differing opinion so they can pull links out of their ass and reply to any post in like 10 seconds by referring to that member's previous posts as though they were in court or something. Who does that who is not paid to do so?

Yes, I always call out nonsense, I don't expect the people that do it to like it. I linked to the thread itself so people can see. You're trying to pretend to be someone you're not, by calling people names, that you actually are. You're calling me a shill and now saying I'm paid to do so. You hopped in the Political thread posting a bunch of conspiracy nonsense, that was straight taken apart. It seems you're still hurt by this so you join this thread hoping for a little payback.

BTW that thread has 336 different members that have posted in it and daily activity from long term members. Maybe, you confused that thread for Truth Social where your type of conspiracy posts/nonsense are more widely accepted.

Even going at Cannuck, who is like one of the nicest people in this forum - https://www.namepros.com/threads/the-usa-political-thread.764342/page-3960#post-8765592

Hopped in that thread trying to start stuff with people and got ran out.

"If it was my site I would take action to stop shills from ruining it"

You're basically advocating for your own removal.

One last thing @Sam1234 and @Peter45, utilize it - https://www.namepros.com/account/ignored

If you have some issue with somebody, ignore them. That's why all forums have that feature.