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The original thread is now deleted/edited by user @Daniel Capusan

https://www.namepros.com/threads/1079625/#post-6701015

but here goes:

User posted a thread seeking out the owner of the domain name Vege.us as they wanted to buy the domain, our brokerage team reached out to the user in the thread asking what their budget was to acquire the domain. They replied stating they were willing to purchase the domain for $1500. They were only willing to use sedo.com for sale.

Our brokerage team went to work to get that domain for the user.

We acquired the domain from a “Iuga Petru Ovidiu” using our PayPal acct “I will be filing a dispute”.

After acquiring the domain and updating the contact info, we reached back out to the buyer here on namepros, they now changed their tune, said “we will reach out to the food company to see if they are still interested in vege.us”

Our reply was “you agreed on a purchase price and method, as per forum rules you are bound to this agreement. The buyers response was “ you didn’t tell me you were the owner of the domain so I don’t need to buy it from you”

Scammers like this on namepros? Come on guys, I don’t really care about the $400 as I will get it back through credit protection but it’s just bad business!

WATCH OUT FOR THIS USER @Daniel Capusan
 
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Dear Daniel Capusan,

I don't see the need for knowing JudgeMind's real location, operating singly or with a team, or being a broker, first owner or last owner of a particular domain name as a great excuse to not purchase the domain from him.

It's clear simple. He did what any other domainer might do if they were in his place. He saw you interested in a particular domain name. He researched about it. Saw it being sold on another platform. Got an idea to make a little profit out of it. Both of you agreed on a payment amount. He might have contacted the original user, purchased the domain from him for a little less amount and tried to initiate the transaction which you both agreed upon.

He may or may not have pretended to be the original owner, but as long as he didn't steal or hacked the domain, I don't see any real reason for you not keeping your word. If you really wanted the domain, you would have gotten from him or previous owner anyhow.

Domaining is just like any other offline/online business and all business owners do lie a little bit to attract their clients. It's a common business tactic. One may say that they got a great offer from another end user to inflate the inbound/outbound inquiries, or something similar to keep their business going.

JudgeMind (or any other person on this earth) could be an American or a Canadian. They could be brokers, end users or resellers. They might have a team or might not have. But as long as they are legally buying/selling domains or any other legal stuff from you or to you, all other things shouldn't be a matter of concern for you.

I will give you a real-life incident which might help you understand what I am trying to convey exactly.

I went to a local cloth market and stopped at a store a while back. I needed a particular kind of designer dress which I described to the store owner. The store owner told that they had a dress that fits my requirements perfectly. He asked me to wait for sometime till his employees get it from their warehouse a block or two away. He called one of his employees and told something in his ear. His employee went out of the store and I could see his whereabouts because the store had see-through glasses all around.

At first, the guy went to a store beside, waited outside, a person came out, he told him something, the other person told him something and that employee moved on. Stopped at another store, talked to a person, then moved away. Did something at next 2-3 stores and finally, a person at the last store he went, spoke to him and came out with a few dresses that matched my requirements. He grabbed those dresses, thanked the store owner or employee (from what I figured out) and came back to the store.

He showed me all of those dresses. While the employee was showing me those dresses, the owner was boasting of how their shop was the only specialist in the city dealing with these kinds of dresses. How they get the cloth woven in a special mill that no other cloth store owners have access to. How they get designers from other cities and countries to add sequins, shimmer, stones and other stuff on their dresses. How their warehouse contains highly customized pieces of designer wears and blah blah.

I knew he was lying to my face, but I just didn't want to mess with him and I know these are commonly practiced business methodologies that are in vogue since forever. I pretended to go with his lies. I picked the dress that I liked the most. Asked for the price, he gave me a really escalated price. I kept bargaining. He kept boasting about his dresses and how my choice was unique and all. I wanted to move to the next store due to budget constraints, but I really liked the dress so I was firmly bargaining over and over. Finally, we both agreed on a particular price. I paid him and took my lovely loot back to my home.

So why did I purchased the dress from him if I knew all along that he was a plain liar?
1. He saved my time and energy. If not for him, I would have to stop at every store and return empty-handed.
2. Got a great discount. Since I chose to keep mum for his non-sensical talks, he thought I was a good client and allowed me to bargain my heart out. I can say this because few of my cousins got similar kinds of dresses elsewhere at 2-3 times more the prices.
3. I discovered a store that's going to give me value for money and even save my time. He got a customer that recommends his store to all her friends and family. It was a win-win situation for both of us.
4. I got exactly what I wanted, under my budget, while coolly seated inside an air-conditioned store.

But just not to make a fool of myself, I returned to the market a few days later, went to the other store that actually had that dress, again described what I wanted. That store's employee guided me to a mannequin that was wearing the same dress that I purchased. I asked for its price and the same old escalated plumpy amount was given. Tried to reason out and bargain, the store owner got pissed off and clearly expressed that his shop was a fixed-price one and they don't entertain any bargaining. I left the store and neither the owner nor the employees were keen to talk to me about selling out that dress to me.

So here are the lessons I learned that day:
1. The business owners should have a great convincing power. if your attitude isn't great, nobody will care to get anything from you even if you are distributing things for FREE.
2. A little lie is always a great backbone to make business prosperous. Although I don't endorse lying.
3. Resellers do help each other to clear out each other's inventories. They may sell things to other resellers at cost-to cost or for a loss, but they will never let their end users know this because this might be bad for their business.
4. Word of mouth, real-life ratings and experiences are the most powerful form of advertising and marketing.
5. Work on what client wants and not on whatever you like to sell.

I am not trying to accuse anyone or anybody here nor trying to take up sides, but if you really want something, you get it in any way possible (legal of course). So as long as JudgeMind, hasn't stolen or hacked the domain name nor forcefully or deceitfully acquired the domain from the previous owner, and tried to complete the transaction in a timely manner, nothing else should be on your mind.

And everybody knows that sometimes, the previous owners forget to remove domains from the various auction houses they previously submitted to sell.

Just my two cents.

Have a great day, peeps :)
 
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I don't see any problem here honestly. User Judgemind was too greedy to ignore the million red signs that had to come up with buying random 10 day old .US domain from a Romanian and trying to arbitrage it. Even if the deal was legit you had to buy this domain thus bearing the risk of owning the asset and having the connecting deal fall through.

Own up and suck up the loss (xxx$ lessons are cheap), learn something about yourself and warn others about the scam (which you rightly did).

The other party here has to understand that this is probably against the ethics or rules of this community and face the actions there off.
 
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I don't see any problem here honestly. User Judgemind was too greedy to ignore the million red signs that had to come up with buying random 10 day old .US domain from a Romanian and trying to arbitrage it. Even if the deal was legit you had to buy this domain thus bearing the risk of owning the asset and having the connecting deal fall through.

Own up and suck up the loss (xxx$ lessons are cheap), learn something about yourself and warn others about the scam (which you rightly did).

The other party here has to understand that this is probably against the ethics or rules of this community and face the actions there off.
I open a convo with Judge we try to figure out how to recive money $400 because now is a open case in Paypal under Paypal investigation
& by the way for all members & i quote from convo with Judge "So must understand this & must tell to community/apologize that implicate name of Daniel Capusan & his family in your problem & Daniel is 100% innocent" but this must be confirmed also by Judge after will recive the money and go one in convo "You can refer only to me & if you want to expose me as a scammer your choice ( Iuga Petru Ovidiu) " :xf.wink: now members of Namepros are happy?..i will open a post soon to explain all this ..in my name
 
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Dear Daniel Capusan,

I don't see the need for knowing JudgeMind's real location, operating singly or with a team, or being a broker, first owner or last owner of a particular domain name as a great excuse to not purchase the domain from him.

It's clear simple. He did what any other domainer might do if they were in his place. He saw you interested in a particular domain name. He researched about it. Saw it being sold on another platform. Got an idea to make a little profit out of it. Both of you agreed on a payment amount. He might have contacted the original user, purchased the domain from him for a little less amount and tried to initiate the transaction which you both agreed upon.

He may or may not have pretended to be the original owner, but as long as he didn't steal or hacked the domain, I don't see any real reason for you not keeping your word. If you really wanted the domain, you would have gotten from him or previous owner anyhow.

Domaining is just like any other offline/online business and all business owners do lie a little bit to attract their clients. It's a common business tactic. One may say that they got a great offer from another end user to inflate the inbound/outbound inquiries, or something similar to keep their business going.

JudgeMind (or any other person on this earth) could be an American or a Canadian. They could be brokers, end users or resellers. They might have a team or might not have. But as long as they are legally buying/selling domains or any other legal stuff from you or to you, all other things shouldn't be a matter of concern for you.

I will give you a real-life incident which might help you understand what I am trying to convey exactly.

I went to a local cloth market and stopped at a store a while back. I needed a particular kind of designer dress which I described to the store owner. The store owner told that they had a dress that fits my requirements perfectly. He asked me to wait for sometime till his employees get it from their warehouse a block or two away. He called one of his employees and told something in his ear. His employee went out of the store and I could see his whereabouts because the store had see-through glasses all around.

At first, the guy went to a store beside, waited outside, a person came out, he told him something, the other person told him something and that employee moved on. Stopped at another store, talked to a person, then moved away. Did something at next 2-3 stores and finally, a person at the last store he went, spoke to him and came out with a few dresses that matched my requirements. He grabbed those dresses, thanked the store owner or employee (from what I figured out) and came back to the store.

He showed me all of those dresses. While the employee was showing me those dresses, the owner was boasting of how their shop was the only specialist in the city dealing with these kinds of dresses. How they get the cloth woven in a special mill that no other cloth store owners have access to. How they get designers from other cities and countries to add sequins, shimmer, stones and other stuff on their dresses. How their warehouse contains highly customized pieces of designer wears and blah blah.

I knew he was lying to my face, but I just didn't want to mess with him and I know these are commonly practiced business methodologies that are in vogue since forever. I pretended to go with his lies. I picked the dress that I liked the most. Asked for the price, he gave me a really escalated price. I kept bargaining. He kept boasting about his dresses and how my choice was unique and all. I wanted to move to the next store due to budget constraints, but I really liked the dress so I was firmly bargaining over and over. Finally, we both agreed on a particular price. I paid him and took my lovely loot back to my home.

So why did I purchased the dress from him if I knew all along that he was a plain liar?
1. He saved my time and energy. If not for him, I would have to stop at every store and return empty-handed.
2. Got a great discount. Since I chose to keep mum for his non-sensical talks, he thought I was a good client and allowed me to bargain my heart out. I can say this because few of my cousins got similar kinds of dresses elsewhere at 2-3 times more the prices.
3. I discovered a store that's going to give me value for money and even save my time. He got a customer that recommends his store to all her friends and family. It was a win-win situation for both of us.
4. I got exactly what I wanted, under my budget, while coolly seated inside an air-conditioned store.

But just not to make a fool of myself, I returned to the market a few days later, went to the other store that actually had that dress, again described what I wanted. That store's employee guided me to a mannequin that was wearing the same dress that I purchased. I asked for its price and the same old escalated plumpy amount was given. Tried to reason out and bargain, the store owner got pissed off and clearly expressed that his shop was a fixed-price one and they don't entertain any bargaining. I left the store and neither the owner nor the employees were keen to talk to me about selling out that dress to me.

So here are the lessons I learned that day:
1. The business owners should have a great convincing power. if your attitude isn't great, nobody will care to get anything from you even if you are distributing things for FREE.
2. A little lie is always a great backbone to make business prosperous. Although I don't endorse lying.
3. Resellers do help each other to clear out each other's inventories. They may sell things to other resellers at cost-to cost or for a loss, but they will never let their end users know this because this might be bad for their business.
4. Word of mouth, real-life ratings and experiences are the most powerful form of advertising and marketing.
5. Work on what client wants and not on whatever you like to sell.

I am not trying to accuse anyone or anybody here nor trying to take up sides, but if you really want something, you get it in any way possible (legal of course). So as long as JudgeMind, hasn't stolen or hacked the domain name nor forcefully or deceitfully acquired the domain from the previous owner, and tried to complete the transaction in a timely manner, nothing else should be on your mind.

And everybody knows that sometimes, the previous owners forget to remove domains from the various auction houses they previously submitted to sell.

Just my two cents.

Have a great day, peeps :)

We have a winner of pulizer price 2018
A domain is not a dress . You can't pretend you are the owner a domain when you are not but try to sell/accept offer from a buyer...it's called scam or unethical ( sweet version)
 
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Let's cut to the chase:

"They replied stating they were willing to purchase the domain for $1500."

If that occurred, it's a binding agreement.

The mods can undelete the vege.us request thread even after it was edited.
 
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@Daniel Capusan You asked for a specific domain and judgemind got it for you.

You agreed on a price,
Why not complete the transaction?
 
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@Daniel Capusan You asked for a specific domain and judgemind got it for you.

You agreed on a price,
Why not complete the transaction?
not agree on the price title of first convo is "
"Are you the owner of Vege.us?"
& say in message "We pay max. $1500
in profile page say you are from Canada"
Judge response after 24H was:
"Hi Daniel,
I’ll accept $1500 for the domain vege.us.
Did you wish to pay through escrow or are you comfortable with PayPal?" and when answer still was not the owner of Vege only after aprox half hour contact me via email

Enough now i will open a new post in my name . name of Daniel C. will not more use is 100% innocent
 
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Let's cut to the chase:

"They replied stating they were willing to purchase the domain for $1500."

If that occurred, it's a binding agreement.

The mods can undelete the vege.us request thread even after it was edited.

In your ideal world that might be it. And maybe vaguely in U.S and some Western countries laws.

But in the real trading world, this is not the case. Nobody gives a crap what is right or wrong and deals take different directions quickly and if that money is not in your account the deal is not done. This might not be what is acceptable in your tribe's culture but this is a global market place, you have to be aware of it and we're trading mostly semi-anonymously under usernames and completing deals with only e-mails or forum messages.

And let's be real here this threatening with law and lawyers over few hundred dollar deals is ridiculous, nobody is scared. Start fuc'king owning shit when you take risks and they don't turn out the way you wanted or somebody "lied". Come on...

If he's actions break the rules of this community and forum then he faces an action.
 
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And let's be real here this threatening with law and lawyers over few hundred dollar deals is ridiculous, nobody is scared. Start fuc'king owning sh*t when you take risks and they don't turn out the way you wanted or somebody "lied". Come on...

If he's actions break the rules of this community and forum then he faces an action.

Get real. In Florida, and other states, even an oral agreement can be used in litigation. The amount is irrelevant, you can go to a small claims court for up to $5,000 dollars. There are ways to enforce basic laws of trade. Nobody wants to be scammed, and that's the entire purpose of this thread: to warn others, and there's substantial evidence that the two Romanians know each other.

I've seen people getting banned on NPs for smaller infractions.
 
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I SAY ABOVE
Enough now i will open a new post in my name . name of Daniel C. will not more use is 100% innocent
ce mama naibii voi chiar nu pricepeti? vorbesc turceste :P
 
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Well it's been an interesting read and I do remember the original post it was on the lines of "Does anybody know the owner of Vege.us"

from a business legal standpoint, surely the "Law-of-contract" comes into play and that may well come down to the wording in the exchanged emails. Misrepresentation could also be a consideration and could also come into play on either side.

Nobody in their right mind is going to take this beyond a fingers/reputation burned lesson, purely because we are talking about $400. But, hey I now know two people that I wouldn't trust to play off a straight-bat in the domaining world
 
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Well it's been an interesting read and I do remember the original post it was on the lines of "Does anybody know the owner of Vege.us"

from a business legal standpoint, surely the "Law-of-contract" comes into play and that may well come down to the wording in the exchanged emails. Misrepresentation could also be a consideration and could also come into play on either side.

Nobody in their right mind is going to tak this beyond a fingers/reputation burned lesson, purely because we are talking about $400. But, hey I now know two people that I wouldn't trust to play of a straight-bat in the domaining world



https://www.namepros.com/threads/scamm-alert-iuga-petru-ovidiu-ori-la-bal-ori-la-spital-in-eng-we-go-or-to-party-or-to-hospital.1079931/

Sorry my mistake
Do you realy read all what i write or read only you like BaileyUK ?
I SAY
This post must be close by Namepros - i use name Daniel Capusan in bad faith

Please no more comments here - comment in post i open
 
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Get real. In Florida, and other states, even an oral agreement can be used in litigation. The amount is irrelevant, you can go to a small claims court for up to $5,000 dollars. There are ways to enforce basic laws of trade. Nobody wants to be scammed, and that's the entire purpose of this thread: to warn others, and there's substantial evidence that the two Romanians know each other.

I've seen people getting banned on NPs for smaller infractions.

You just confirmed what I said. That your ideas of what is allowed in trade are from your tribe and you take them to be righteous and globally enforceable. It just doesn't always work like that.

Irrelevant, neither of these parties are from state of Florida. And we know you can draw up a litigation based on anything and the lawyers will collect the fees. Good luck on getting anybody to take seriously of a Canadien citizen filing a litigation on a 400 USD incident with a Romanian citizen. There is just currently no framework for that except forum and community rules and payment processor actions. Which I said he will face.

And while we're at it look at the laws of Florida on misrepresentation, could be a serious crime. If user Judgemind acted as the owner of the domain before he had actually bought the domain he was scamming as well and he will have to face the same forum rules. No exceptions based on nationalities here.
 
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"My tribe" is doing just fine. If you don't process Western law well, maybe you want to stick to the tribunals of your tribe. But in this case, both parties are using a Western payment processor, and that's the best part.

Playing devil's advocate on a lost case won't get you far. Already the Romanian made the mistake to post under a second NamePros account - an instant reason for ban.
 
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I read the original request thread and can’ t believe anyone fell for this. It was sketch from the start. Did Judge receive a domain or not? Because I am not seeing what PayPal can do if he received the goods he bought. The reason for the buying is of no concern to PP.
 
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"My tribe" is doing just fine. If you don't process Western law well, maybe you want to stick to the tribunals of your tribe. But in this case, both parties are using a Western payment processor, and that's the best part.

Playing devil's advocate on a lost case won't get you far. Already the Romanian made the mistake to post under a second NamePros account - an instant reason for ban.

I don't understand what is your argument here? I said he will face the actions of the payment processor and community/forum rules what is acceptable to be included in this group.

But so should the other party take responsibility and if the investigation by proper mods finds he was also acting in bad faith by misrepresenting as the owner(wording is key here) when it wasn't so I'm not sure if that brakes any rules here but if so he has to face them.

We all get scammed. Own up, learn from your mistakes and inform others so the community as a whole benefit from it. Of course, the initial disappointment and emotions will lead to rash actions and words, that is understandable.

I'm from a western country but I do business globally and I accept the realities of it and learn from other cultures, but thanks.
 
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