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I've been thinking of this tweet Rick Schwartz made a few days ago.

While end user demand is decreasing, according to Rick, reseller prices at platforms like GoDaddy, NameJet and DropCatch are certainly not.

But is end-user demand actually decreasing? Do you agree with Rick's observation? Is user demand for .COM's at a low point in 2017?
 
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I've seen end-user demand increase for the brandable domains that I own.
I have more offers than before and average sales prices are better than before... but then again, he's dealing with the super upper stratosphere of the domain world

Agree.

The old school method of branding with exact match domains is fading.

The new trend is branding. And from my experience endusers are now buying brandables, but only very high quality ones. Good pronounceable 4L.coms ect....

There is still a good market for exact match, but you have to have the right inventory to make the sales these days.
 
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Domainers who own names and selling in x,xxx to xx,xxx names are not as much effected. The ones who are affected by it are the ones, who used to sell their domains for millions, and now finding out that they can only sell for low xxx,xxx. They are not getting 1 or 2 percent royalties on the top of it. So what one would say who used to sell for millions, does not simply apply all across. Atleast thats just my 2 cents
 
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I've seen end-user demand increase for the brandable domains that I own.
I have more offers than before and average sales prices are better than before... but then again, he's dealing with the super upper stratosphere of the domain world
 
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Keep in mind the DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OPINION AND FACT.
Kauffman.org
The Startup Activity Index rose to 0.38 in 2016- continuing an upward trend started in 2015. After falling with the recession and reaching its lowest point in the last twenty years just two years ago, startup activity rebounded, going up for the second year in a row.
For the first time since the recovery got underway, Main Street entrepreneurship activity is at higher levels in 2016 than those recorded before the onset of the Great Recession. This increase was primarily driven by a jump in the business survival rates, which reached a three-decade high of 48.7 percent. This means almost half of new businesses are making it to their fifth year of operation.
End users in the west are using multiple domains, and global startups are on the rise. Think global not local.
Seriously, the sky is not falling.
What it was years ago was internet startup activity that no reasonable business person would expect that kind of high growth activity to continue without pause.
Happy Hunting
 
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With so many guesses here, here is mine:
Rick has sold his best domains "years ago."
With the quality of his holdings decreasing, no wonder the demand for his domains in 2017 is not where it was before...
 
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End user demand has declined. There becomes a point of maximum saturation when everyone who needs a domain has a domain.

There are more domains than there are viable businesses that can pay a 'domainers price' for something like a domain name.

Think why "Chips" crashed. The end user demand wasn't there to support the price. So be careful what you are buying, because there may not ever be an end user that can pay your expected price.
 
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Rich Schwartz Elaborates on His Tweet Regarding End-User Demand For Domains in 2017:

"User demand is getting very close to peaking all over the Internet. Growth can not continue as it has. Can Facebook add more users now then early on? I doubt it. At some point there will be a wall and I think that point is quickly approaching. The domain game is evolving. Brandable domains are in vogue right now. But the brandable domain game is a very hard game to play and win. Talk about a lottery ticket.

You have to figure that 100% of educated people with money are online today in some form. There are probably 2-3 billion people not online and may never be. And even if they are, they have NO buying power. But in my eyes, we have hit critical mass.
The net has hit critical mass. Twitter has hit a home run in 2016 and still losing money. Snapchat may be another Twitter. I got to hand it to them. They made billions with nothing but eyeballs.

Now with this said I do see a very strong and positive wave coming later this year and into 2018 and maybe a bit longer. But overall, I think we are at a peak that could expose itself at anytime.

My horizon is not days. I look in terms of years. Just like gTLD’s. I knew in about 3 years that would be when the rubber met the road. Over 90% of all gTLD’s sold are being registered by domainers and most of them are parked. They are losing steam and losing steam fast. When you look deeper you will see that the registries themselves are holding millions of these names just to pump up the numbers. So between registries and domainers, they have all been smothered. Normal everyday people have never even heard of these extensions and may never. Go ask folks. Keep asking. NEVER be scared to find out the reality as many do.

Amazon may keep growing but Facebook will find it more difficult. Amazon has a LOT of business still to take from Main Street. Sears is on Death Watch. Target may not be far behind. Much of that business is being taken by Amazon and there is NO CHANCE these stores will ever recover. They will have mass closing just to survive. It’s coming.

So domains are an important part of the Internet. Growth can not be expected to continue at the same rate as in the past. Look at all the crap that is being registered. Those are not domains, those are future drops looking for a sucker dumber than the original buyer.

The domain market is largely incestuous. The gTLD market is almost 100% incestuous. Meaning most business is domainer to domainer and not domainer to end user. Turnover on a portfolio is generally less than 1% a year. That means you will die before you sell all your domains. At some point liquidity inside can dry up.

Now domains are not going anywhere. But to not see the coming evolution can be costly. Nothing can grow at the same huge rates as early on and that includes domains. Lastly, just look at all the stalled and decreasing registrations for the majority of gTLD’s. After 3 years this is when they should be HOT and they are NOT!

End users have a need and demand for ONE domain at a time if that. Talk to end users. Ask them questions. Ask them about domains. I do that ALL the time. Whenever I travel and wherever I go. EVERY SINGLE DAY! And most will say “I already have a domain name that I registered at Godaddy.” They have more interest in asking me if Godaddy is good than about their domain name.

They all have a .com or a .net. or a cctld. PERIOD!

As I have stated, domainers are so concerned about their needs, wants and desires that they are BLIND to the needs wants and desires of the end users.They only see things thru THEIR eyes. Fpr over 20 years I have been targeting end users whether at TRAFFIC or on TWITTER. My goal is to have an end user have an aha moment. NOT EASY!

I know many great domainers with fantastic portfolios that are having a hard time paying the mortgage and making ends meet. So if these guys are struggling, what about all the Pigeon Shit farmers? They just quietly disappear.

I remain bullish on meaningful and great domains to a point. I remain bullish that those with inferior extensions want to have success and be able to afford a great .com domain. .Com is an upgrade and that won’t be changing.

If I had porno.com in 1000 other extensions, the total value of those other extensions would not equal one .com.

There is no question that the rate of growth of domain registrations is slowing down. It may even decrease at some point and that would not surprise me. If it surprises you, then the point of business is not be surprised but be PREPARED!"

Source: The Domains / @equity78
 
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Domainers who own names and selling in x,xxx to xx,xxx names are not as much effected. The ones who are affected by it are the ones, who used to sell their domains for millions, and now finding out that they can only sell for low xxx,xxx. They are not getting 1 or 2 percent royalties on the top of it. So what one would say who used to sell for millions, does not simply apply all across. Atleast thats just my 2 cents

agreed, as an example, take candy . com - it sold for $3mil in 2009. great name and great for traffic (at that time)

if you google the word 'candy' now, what page does it show for you?

I stopped on page 5 and still no candy . com.

2017 do you think the same name would have sold for that much? maybe, maybe not, maybe more. But if it were me, i would have bought a kick ass brandable for $xxx,xxxx and invest the rest into the company.
 
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he's smart; 'buy when every one is selling and sell when everyone is buying'
 
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I think he's just making this up. There's no reason that end-user demand would be going down at this point in the internet.
 
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I'm up in February than i was same time last year. I think it may be a shift in what endusers want.

Traffic is driven by content (among other things) and not just the name - so i would assume they (endusers) have shifted from the old school thinking of having a type-in specific name to a more creative and cost effective name.
 
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It's a very mystical utterance. It's hard to know whether he's talking from personal experience or empirically. One would guess from personal experience, so not really sure how universally this can be applied.
 
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I agree with many of the overall opinions above.

Assuming he is speaking about end user prices/demand I must say I agree with him for the lower-middle end of the market which demand has tanked for. High quality .coms, short .coms, great brandables and other extensions for that matter including great new gtld's that span the left and right of the dot perfectly like bitcoin.casino that just sold huge are in my opinion going up not down.

Domainer demand for names have grown in a big way in the last year or so at godaddy, namejet etc. and I don't think that is in line with end user demand, the market has overheated majorly and is ripe for a correction at some point IMO, but I don't think it will happen soon.
 
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Domainers who own names and selling in x,xxx to xx,xxx names are not as much effected. The ones who are affected by it are the ones, who used to sell their domains for millions, and now finding out that they can only sell for low xxx,xxx. They are not getting 1 or 2 percent royalties on the top of it. So what one would say who used to sell for millions, does not simply apply all across. Atleast thats just my 2 cents
I visited this thread with the intention of saying something of this nature. I don't need to, because you have said it. I totally agree.
 
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I think growth will be in regional domains like .ca (proven fact) and .uk .mx .de etc.

I own a few other companies and do business exclusively in Canada, I did not even register a .com for them.

PS. I would never register a domain like myname.shop or something with those type of extensions. I want my customers to know where I am from and where they are doing business.

In the end the .coms are becoming unreachable but the regional domains are still affordable.
 
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maybe just demand for his portfolio - wouldn't say its anyway indicative of the market as a whole
 
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Amazon (for example) just invested in 52 new TLD's, if anyone thinks they did that, just for tax purposes, your sadly mistaken. The bottom line is this...with all of the new gTLD's and the abundance of short memorable domain names in new extension's, to think that .COM is not going to take a sales hit, both in the numbers of domains sold on the secondary market and their overall sales prices is really not paying attention to the overall market and the market trends that are developing. There are only so many end users at any one time, although more will enter the market each day. eCommerce is growing by leaps and bounds, but so has the choices provided to end users by the introduction of a ludicrous amount of new TLD's at one time! So it's only economic law of supply and demand that maybe has some heavy .com holders feeling the pinch of less demand and lower resale prices at this time. It's interesting times in this business and I feel you're going to see many new trends develop, both bad and good, in 2017!
 
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New regs for all tlds average 20m+ in the last 2 years up from 18m
20+m buyers is what matters. Who cares what they do with them
Happy Hunting
 
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I've been thinking of this tweet Rick Schwartz made a few days ago.

While end user demand is decreasing, according to Rick, reseller prices at platforms like GoDaddy, NameJet and DropCatch are certainly not.

But is end-user demand actually decreasing? Do you agree with Rick's observation? Is user demand for .COM's at a low point in 2017?

not sure but Rick stated he is buying more domains than at any point in the last decade.. perhaps he believes the market will go up?

Money pouring into system. First time in years. Risk taking back. Domains will reap rewards. Gold rush resumes 4 domains. #patience #Domains

There's a glut & all suffer even .com. .Com prices have stalled. That is temporary. Change in demand. Meaningless domains are done. #domains

Bought more domains last 12 months than anytime in a decade. Underwater domain investors FORCED to sell cheap. #Domains #domainsforsale
 
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they got a google penalty.. nothing to do with the domain.

They are still in the penalty box, wow that really sucks for them, i thought since 2013 they would have fixed that by now.

Pick your SEO providers wisely!
 
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makes sense to to get the regional extension for the place you would only do business in. the .ca is smart to keep it exclusive to canada - this gives the public confidence they are dealing with a canadian co.

.com is for companies that want to expand their business internationally
 
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I think end user interest has been divided with introduction of a lot of new extension gtlds, cctlds, etc. For example, when they open Godaddy and search a domain name (which is of course unavailable), in the end they may see lots of alternatives under other extensions. Let's say 1 percent prefers dotx, 1 percent prefers doty and as a result some of the potential buyers lost for .com owners. Since, they are also divided among high number of other extensions, they also do not create a popularity for a particular extension. It is a lose-lose situation for all parties on the selling side.
 
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not sure but Rick stated he is buying more domains than at any point in the last decade.. perhaps he believes the market will go up?

Nice catch Dordomai,
Bought more domains last 12 months than anytime in a decade. Underwater domain investors FORCED to sell cheap. #Domains #domainsforsale
Pushing his own agenda looking for (or trying to create) good buys.
 
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