Pronounceable LLLL.com: Why VCVC, VCCV are underpriced vs. CVCV?

[Recons.Com]

Hi,

There are quite few irrational price deviations in the types of domains that are notable, one of the most obvious being the huge price gap between CVCV LLLL.coms vs VCVC, VCCV etc.

It is interesting to hear what NP members think about it. None of those categories is any rarer than another, so that won't explain it.

December-Jan sample from NameBio for CVCV:

Domain Price Date Venue
noja.com 6,500 USD 2016-01-11 NamesCon
feba.com 10,000 USD 2016-01-05 Sedo
qotu.com 1,107 USD 2016-01-05 Sedo
dovu.com 1,600 USD 2015-12-30 NameJet
tuwa.com 13,530 USD 2015-12-23 GoDaddy
weji.com 3,100 USD 2015-12-21 NameJet
foqe.com 1,550 USD 2015-12-18 NameJet
depe.com 5,600 USD 2015-12-17 NameJet
fitu.com 4,658 USD 2015-12-16 GoDaddy
cexo.com 3,158 USD 2015-12-16 Sedo
nodo.com 11,017 USD 2015-12-15 Sedo
qoke.com 2,588 USD 2015-12-15 Sedo
towu.com 15,000 USD 2015-12-14 Sedo
rasu.com 6,150 USD 2015-12-14 NameJet
koqe.com 3,783 USD 2015-12-14 Sedo
robe.com 37,000 USD 2015-12-11 NameJet
vohi.com 2,100 USD 2015-12-08 NameJet
mape.com 16,000 USD 2015-12-07 NameJet
wowa.com 10,000 USD 2015-12-07 Sedo
jafi.com 8,088 USD 2015-12-04 BuyDomains
ruca.com 7,000 USD 2015-12-03 NameJet
yeqe.com 809 USD 2015-12-03 NameJet

For VCVC:

igid.com 1,010 USD 2016-01-10 GoDaddy
ecuk.com 590 USD 2016-01-10 NameJet
uvul.com 510 USD 2016-01-06 GoDaddy
iyes.com 4,900 USD 2016-01-04 Sedo
uyaf.com 263 USD 2016-01-04 4.CN
ucaf.com 600 USD 2015-12-30 NameJet
afef.com 590 USD 2015-12-29 NameJet
uzuq.com 290 USD 2015-12-29 Flippa
oled.com 56,100 USD 2015-12-28 Flippa
oqow.com 270 USD 2015-12-28 NameJet
agad.com 2,588 USD 2015-12-25 NameJet
ebuf.com 599 USD 2015-12-24 NameJet
etim.com 2,105 USD 2015-12-22 NameJet
ebeh.com 610 USD 2015-12-22 NameJet
oqet.com 334 USD 2015-12-22 NameJet
elom.com 1,400 USD 2015-12-21 NameJet
ufoc.com 675 USD 2015-12-18 GoDaddy
emif.com 586 USD 2015-12-18 NameJet
ucox.com 350 USD 2015-12-18 NameJet
uboj.com 320 USD 2015-12-18 GoDaddy
exaf.com 407 USD 2015-12-17 NameJet
eyul.com 325 USD 2015-12-17 4.CN
ixov.com 303 USD 2015-12-17 GoDaddy
iset.com 12,299 USD 2015-12-15 NameJet
ukuf.com 346 USD 2015-12-15 4.CN
uqaq.com 344 USD 2015-12-15 4.CN
osuq.com 340 USD 2015-12-15 4.CN
uyah.com 354 USD 2015-12-14 NameJet
ozuj.com 299 USD 2015-12-11 NameJet
ucaf.com 343 USD 2015-12-07 NameJet
ajag.com 405 USD 2015-12-06 NameJet
ajut.com 300 USD 2015-12-06 NameJet
apew.com 290 USD 2015-12-06 NameJet
ukax.com 419 USD 2015-12-04 NameJet
aqes.com 410 USD 2015-12-04 NameJet
utij.com 310 USD 2015-12-04 NameJet
ituv.com 251 USD 2015-12-04 NameJet
ibav.com 600 USD 2015-12-03 NameJet
ogod.com 3,700 USD 2015-12-02 Sedo
akub.com 360 USD 2015-12-01 NameJet

For VCCV:

ocpe.com 421 USD 2016-01-06 GoDaddy
otqe.com 348 USD 2016-01-06 NameJet
uxmo.com 460 USD 2016-01-05 GoDaddy
eqru.com 310 USD 2016-01-05 GoDaddy
agji.com 305 USD 2016-01-04 GoDaddy
orre.com 2,278 USD 2015-12-31 GoDaddy
atwi.com 710 USD 2015-12-30 NameJet
uxma.com 627 USD 2015-12-30 NameJet
erha.com 2,600 USD 2015-12-28 NameJet
ebfe.com 580 USD 2015-12-25 NameJet
idtu.com 506 USD 2015-12-24 GoDaddy
oqdo.com 335 USD 2015-12-23 GoDaddy
uymu.com 488 USD 2015-12-21 Flippa
ebdo.com 850 USD 2015-12-17 NameJet
oxca.com 328 USD 2015-12-15 4.CN
ixre.com 325 USD 2015-12-15 4.CN
utpo.com 320 USD 2015-12-15 NameJet
uvru.com 312 USD 2015-12-15 4.CN
uqko.com 312 USD 2015-12-15 4.CN
eyhe.com 599 USD 2015-12-10 NameJet
okbu.com 399 USD 2015-12-10 NameJet
epnu.com 290 USD 2015-12-10 NameJet
uhbu.com 269 USD 2015-12-07 NameJet
oqqo.com 2,050 USD 2015-12-05 DropCatch
uqze.com 265 USD 2015-12-03 NameJet
uqlo.com 343 USD 2015-12-02 NameJet
uqji.com 315 USD 2015-12-02 NameJet
iwmu.com 310 USD 2015-12-02 NameJet

 

[Recons.Com]

I like all combinations if I feel they are good.

Let's not forget that not everyone is English-speaking (including myself). For example, Aldi is a huge German supermarket chain. I am not sure "aldi" sounds that good to English-speaking people.

I agree it is mostly a domainer thing. Most end-user don't really care about the combination.

It does sound good enought in English for them to have opened up their branches in the US too ) Check out Aldi.us ))

 

[Raindrops]

Raindrops, I assume any scientific/logical argumentation back and forth would seem to you as "confrontational" )

No, I am not trying to do a sale pitch. On the contrary, I have benefited from this because I was able to get great bargains for the names. I don't see NP as a place to sell those kinds of names. Tuth.com for example would be viewed here as "not chip, not western premium, so let's offer $300", while it will be sold eventually to an end user, a dentist or a tech company doing Bluetooth products for $xx,xxx.

I am actually contributing to the community by advising to keep an open mind about it and seeing opportunities for arbitrage, when the difference is not justified by fundamentals.

I'm not sure why you would take a back-handed slap at someone who took time out of their day to give you some logical feedback, and opinions you solicited - but we all thank you for your contributions.

Good luck!

 

[Recons.Com]

What I try to say is that CVCV are 2 parts (ex: BO+RO .... RO+NA)
While VCVC are 3 parts (ex: O + LAF ..(LA + F) ... you still have to pronounce and insist on the sound of the 4th letter alone .. which always makes 3 parts to pronounce.

Don't want to sound "confrontational", but OLAF is still 2 parts, no matter how you look at it ) There are definitely only 2 syllables there )

 

[Recons.Com]

I'm not sure why you would take a back-handed slap at someone who took time out of their day to give you some logical feedback, and opinions you solicited - but we all thank you for your contributions.

Good luck!

You are too sensitive for a guy too quick to accuse a fellow domain member in some conspiracy and greed motives for simply opening a discussion thread...

 

[Asfas1000]

But see, people start appreciating "y" only if a) it is instead of i in a dictionary word, like Lyft; b) it is in the end. Even with that look at NP's wanted section, people post that they would buy CVCV for mid xxxx, but they don't want any Y in them

I get this as a general rule, which can be bent sometimes.

Like asking for a 6N.com without 0,4 but infact wouldn't rule out 444444.com

 

[Recons.Com]

I get this as a general rule, which can be bent sometimes.

Like asking for a 6N.com without 0,4 but infact wouldn't rule out 444444.com

Good point ) 444444.com must be seen by Chinese as DeathDeathDeathDeathDeathDeath.com :D

 

[Dominic Belley]

Don't want to sound "confrontational", but OLAF is still 2 parts, no matter how you look at it ) There are definitely only 2 syllables there )

Well I don't know how to put it in words, but to me OLAF is 3 parts.

OLA would be 2 parts O + LA
but the F makes it 3 parts because we have to change the "LA" sound to end with a "F".

But anyways.

 

[fuzzy]

I'm of the impression that the suitability of a domain as a pinyin-acronym (as opposed to a 'pure' acronym) is a big influence on market prices. (I presume everyone agrees that it is Chinese buyers that are currently driving the market?).

I've tried to find pinyin acronyms in most of the LL and roughly 500 LLL.
My observations:
I don't think there is a 2-pin (pinyin) acronym for a VC combination. At all.
I'll have to check my scribbly notes, but I don't think I have found a 3-pin acronym for VCV yet.
I've only found a few 3-pin acronyms for VCC.
On the basis of the above I think this severely limits the total number of pinyin acronyms that can be derived from a VCLL.
Which may go someway to explaining the significance of the price differences you have highlighted.

 

[Recons.Com]

I'm of the impression that the suitability of a domain as a pinyin-acronym (as opposed to a 'pure' acronym) is is a big influence on market prices. (I presume everyone agrees that it is Chinese buyers that are currently driving the market?).

I've tried to find pinyin acronyms in most of the LL and roughly 500 LLL.
My observations:
I don't think there is a 2-pin (pinyin) acronym for a VC combination. At all.
I'll have to check my scribbly notes, but I don't think I have found a 3-pin acronym for VCV yet.
I've only found a few 3-pin acronyms for VCC.
On the basis of the above I think this severely limits the total number of pinyin acronyms that can be derived from a VCLL.
Which may go someway to explaining the significance of the price differences you have highlighted.

Fantastic point! Now it would be interesting to check what % of those names are owned/bought/utilized by Chinese.

I would speculate that not many beyond the reasonable share for 20% of world population, because the whole Pinyin phenomena is less than a year old, while CVCV have been commanding huge premium for years, but have not done any research on this.

 

[fuzzy]

Now it would be interesting to check what % of those names are owned/bought/utilized by Chinese.

If I find some time tomorrow I will look at some.

 

[HUKU]

CVCV in Dot Com form has always carried a premium since it works with western and pin yin and at the same time is pronounceable, memorable, easy to type, easy to spell and in many cases radio friendly. Additionally, so much marketing money has gone into promoting CVCV Domains.

 

[TERADOMAIN]

Godaddy Search engine consider "Y" as vowel.

Thanks

 

[Recons.Com]

CVCV in Dot Com form has always carried a premium since it works with western and pin yin and at the same time is pronounceable, memorable, easy to type, easy to spell and in many cases radio friendly. Additionally, so much marketing money has gone into promoting CVCV Domains.

Very often that is more myth than truth.

For example, Vove, is it with silent e or without? If you hear it over the radio, asuming silent e, is it "vowv", "vauv", "vawv"? And it ends in that case in consonant sound actually. In contrast, Ovev, same letters, would be easier to pronounce (not harder, any way), less confusing (how do you misspell it, really?). And if those name were to go to auction at GD, Vove would sell for mid $xxxx easily, while ovev would probably sell for $300-400, that is ten times difference!!!

 

[Asfas1000]

Very often that is more myth than truth.

For example, Vove, is it with silent e or without? If you hear it over the radio, asuming silent e, is it "vowv", "vauv", "vawv"? And it ends in that case in consonant sound actually. In contrast, Ovev, same letters, would be easier to pronounce (not harder, any way), less confusing (how do you misspell it, really?). And if those name were to go to auction at GD, Vove would sell for mid $xxxx easily, while ovev would probably sell for $300-400, that is ten times difference!!!

That's right.

Likely, the visual appearance of the name (VOVE) makes it more desirable.

 

[TRY]

Cvcv, even in cases where it's not more easily pronounced it may still sound better.

 

[Recons.Com]

Foqe, vohi, tohu, Yeqe sound better than ebdo, igid, agad, okbu?

 

[TERADOMAIN]

When we speak VCVC name it is easier to say. Lets keep Radio pronunciation and confusion about Spelling pronunciation on the side.

Lets see some Example:

Tehy.com (CVCV) = We can say this name in 2 part TE + HY

Wecy.com (CVCV) = We can say this name in 2 part WE + CY

UBOJ.com (VCVC) = We can say this name in 3 part U + BO + J

Ojep.com (VCVC) = We can say this name in 2 Part O + JEP

Confusion about spelling and pronunciation will be there in either CVCV or VCVC but when we speak CVCV it is 2 Part and VCVC is sometimes 2 part and sometimes 3 part names

 

[Recons.Com]

Nobody says O+JE+P, it is O+JEP.

So, what about EBDO, do you do EB+D+O there?

 

[TERADOMAIN]

Nobody says O+JE+P, it is O+JEP.

So, what about EBDO, to you do EB+D+O there?

Sorry it was my mistake. I accept it gracefully. Thanks for correcting me. Yes you are absolutely right.

It is O + JEP . And EBDO is EB + DO ... Thanks for sharing.