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:::: Politics :::: 2008 Presidential Election ::::

OK, I know some of you are about to EXPLODE if you don't have a place to say something about this campaign, and you're afraid to start any new threads after I basically told you-all to shut up the other day. :o

Well... God forbid the wrong candidate gets elected, ultimately resulting in world war 3, and the whole free world getting brought down to it's knees in agony... because 1-voter who might have been effected in some positive way from a political thread at NamePros.

So here it is. Go ahead, post away in this thread. Knock yourselves out.

Try not to hurt anybody. Don't get crazy. And try to keep it contained in THIS thread.

I will make it sticky and highlight it.

P.S. Please do not use this thread to address me personally, or our staff, about policies or decisions on this topic. I, and this staff, do what is best for the peace of the community as a 'whole'. It's not open for discussion. Thank you.

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The 2008 NamePros Presidential Campaign Thread is now OPEN. May God help us all. :)

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545 PEOPLE
By Charlie Reese

Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them.

Have you ever wondered why, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, WHY do we have deficits?

Have you ever wondered why, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, WHY do we have inflation and high taxes?

You and I don't propose a federal budget. The President does.

You and I don't have the constitutional authority to vote on appropriations. The House of Representatives does.

You and I don't write the tax code, Congress does.

You and I don't set fiscal policy, Congress does.

You and I don't control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve Bank does.

One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one president, and nine Supreme Court justices 545 human beings out of the 300 million are directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.

I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered, but private, central bank.

I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason. They have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman, or a president to do one cotton-picking thing. I don't care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The politician has the power to accept or reject it. No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator's responsibility to determine how he votes .

Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con regardless of party.

What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall. No normal human being would have the gall of a Speaker, who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits. The president can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to accept it.

The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and approving appropriations and taxes. Who is the Speaker of the House? He/She is the leader of the majority party. She and fellow House members, not the president, can approve any budget they want. If the president vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree to.

It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million cannot replace 545 people who stand convicted -- by present facts -- of incompetence and irresponsibility. I can't think of a single domestic problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people. When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist.

If the tax code is unfair, it's because they want it unfair.

If the budget is in the red, it's because they want it in the red.

If the Army & Marines are in IRAQ , it's because they want them in IRAQ .

If they do not receive social security but are on an elite retirement plan not available to the people, it's because they want it that way .

There are no insoluble government problems.

Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and from whom they can take this power. Above all, do not let them CON you into the belief that there exists disembodied mystical forces like 'the economy,' 'inflation,' or 'politics' that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do.

Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible.

They, and they alone, have the power.

They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are their bosses, provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own employees.

We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess!

Charlie Reese is a former columnist of the Orlando Sentinel Newspaper.

www.LLLL.com said:
Totally agree with what some people have mentioned about media coverage... Even here in Canada it was obvious some were "Obama cheerleaders". Looking at U.S. media websites, it was even more obvious. I got nothing against Obama but I don't think the media should be trying to sway votes.
The liberal media bias was blatant during this election.


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During his acceptance speech, he said something along the lines about the average Joe's donations were the reason for his success... yeahhhh riiiiighttt...


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I can only imagine the whining that would have taken place had he lost.
 
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I am glad election day is over, It is time to move forward now.

Congratulations to our new President Barack Obama.

Congratulations to those who voted for him.

It's not a bitter defeat for the Republican party, They had no representation in this election. Hopefully they can rebuild for 2012.
 
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Haha Nice! Thank god Obama won!
 
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I've been expecting Obama will win his campaign. Congrats!
 
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GILSAN said:
Well done Barack! well done Democrats! Well done USA! :tu:

Thanks for all the support. It is very encouraging to see people from all over the world as excited about the election results as I am. Kudos to McCain for his fight to the finish and nice concession speech.
 
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Congratulations to the American People for their overwhelming support on choosing Barack Obama for the president of the USA.

I wish Americans all the best, and hope this will be seen as a bold change for the better when we look back through time and record world changing events.

All the best America, from your good friend, Australia. :D
 
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Socialism can't be that bad, can it?
 
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Rudy said:
... and to appeal to the Republicans by saying "I need your help" and "I'm your president too" is absolutely genius.

Pelosi's lapdog has a bridge he'd like to sell you, too.
 
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RogueWriter said:
Yes, KingDon, you cannot have it both ways. You attack Bush for invading Iraq, then, instead of acknowledging any kind of benefit from the invasion, freeing 30 million people from a ruthless dictator, etc., you ask why we don't attack every other dictator out there, like we would have the resources for that, or that we could even do so without starting WWIII. This would, as always, lead to your tired explanation that Iraq has oil, and we wanted the oil, only, we conquered the country and gave the oil back, so you are still scratching your head trying to figure that one out.

It's like you want to have a hissy fit, and you get mad because I require a logical argument instead.

If you look at the two candidates with logic, you see that Obama is not ready to lead this country, and liberals hate Bush so much, they want this election to be about trumping him, about showing him what's for, that they don't care about logic, any financial and personal sacrifice is worth the end result of being able to shake a finger at Bush, post election and say, "Aha! So there!" Sure, economic ruin will result from the election, inflation, unemployment, an extra trillion in deficit spending, increased imports, more manufacturing closures, but, "Aha! So there!"

If the liberal dems win .

You've got some good points there.
 
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good voting folks, anyone want spin-o-bama.com?
 
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omegapandor said:
The United States of America has elected her first black president.
Correction! you and all the news agencies are calling him black. His mother was WHITE. Obama is bi-racial, not black
 
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WGS_Thunder said:
Correction! you and all the news agencies are calling him black. His mother was WHITE. Obama is bi-racial, not black

I heard that he's considered "black" in the US, and bi-racial in other countries. :D

I'm kind of tired hearing people call him Black though. He IS half white...
 
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dezinerite said:
I heard that he's considered "black" in the US, and bi-racial in other countries. :D

I'm kind of tired hearing people call him Black though. He IS half white...
Because he was bought up by his mother and grandparents, he has more white than black. He doesn' seem very close with his African heritage. But thats not important.

Hopefully he does a good job in the US and regain some of America's prestige and respect around the world.

What's fascinating is that after his victory, the perception that the US is a racist society, will change radically, and the "Bradley effect" that the media talked so much about is now burried. We do however have a new effect; the "Media Effect" They should get their act together and do their job correctly, which is to inform the people without any bias towards any party.

Thanks for that great post NameCharger. Like I've mentioned before politicians are becoming more and more untrustworthy all the time.
 
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Well I hope everyone enjoys their jobs for the next few weeks. They'll be gone come 2009.

There's not too much we could do, the media gave Obama a free ride.
 
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We as American have some dark days ahead of us. I am very disappointed in the way the election turned out. I hope that everyone who voted for Mr. Obama is happy with their decision, and like OctaneInv said

"Well I hope everyone enjoys their jobs for the next few weeks. They'll be gone come 2009. "

I'm concluding with a quote I think has a lot of value now that Mr. Obama has gotten elected.

"Our country, right or wrong." When right to be kept right; when wrong to be put right. ~ Carl Schurz
 
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GILSAN said:
Because he was bought up by his mother and grandparents, he has more white than black. He doesn' seem very close with his African heritage. But thats not important.

Hopefully he does a good job in the US and regain some of America's prestige and respect around the world.

What's fascinating is that after his victory, the perception that the US is a racist society, will change radically, and the "Bradley effect" that the media talked so much about is now burried. We do however have a new effect; the "Media Effect" They should get their act together and do their job correctly, which is to inform the people without any bias towards any party.

Totally agree with you. This is not only an accomplishment for Black/African Americans but an accomplishment for the Whites on a more personal level. Both races have come so far...

I'm not against McCain though, right now I've got my fingers crossed...everyone's just hoping for the best.
 
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To be honest the race issue is the only good thing that has come out of this election...

Also to be honest with you, the only reason racism still thrives in America is because the Black Americans will not let it go.
 
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OctaneInv said:
Well I hope everyone enjoys their jobs for the next few weeks. They'll be gone come 2009.

There's not too much we could do, the media gave Obama a free ride.

Couldn't disagree more, G.W.Bush gave Obama a free ride to some extent, though he (Obama) appears to be a dab hand at peddling his bike quite well all by himself.

Palin did not help also, mainly by "opening her mouth". :lol:

I think Americans are much smarter, than to be swayed by the media in such an important event.
 
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maxeaus said:
I think Americans are much smarter, than to be swayed by the media in such an important event.

I am here to say that you are totally wrong on this. The media only talked about Obama and how great he is yet they never said anything about people he was associated with. The media also only said bad things about McCain and the Republican party!

Looks to me like the media swayed a lot of people's votes.
 
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here is my hope.
politicians- they are humans. they all started out the same way we did. somewhere along the line, something happens. it's these very people, who say they are fighting for what they believe in, that cause the great divide amongst americans. are you dem or gop. are you for war or against. are you left or are you right.

but my hope- is that at some point, there is that politican who remains as close to his/her human roots as possible. who can say look, regardless of we are left or right, we have issues, and we must meet in the center.

because i have faith in america, faith in mankind- i believe that this can happen.

after following the campaign pretty closely- doing oodles of research- i found two men who in this time of crisis, had a choice on how to run their campaign. and that would reflect on what to expect in the white house.

i found both men had nasty associations. i found both men did negative ads, and either told misleading or false statements. both men are totally on opposite sides of different issues.

i just personally thought that mccain missed the mark with his campaign. there was one road to take- calm the american public, and instill some sort of hope for the future- based on our current situation. and mccain took all sorts of detours to get there, which cost him dearly. to me, this was a mistake, because it was imperative to hear what americans as a whole were crying out for, to win their vote.

i have read about obama. i have read about mccain. for every slam mccain/palin threw out about obama, it was often untrue or mccain had something in his history that reflected the very thing he accused obama of. this is something i personally was turned off to. it was time to bring something new to the table, and more often than not, each thing the mccain ticket threw out to cause doubt about obama, i found they dipped in the same pool themselves.

example- the socialist thing. mccain camp throws out obama is a socialist. yet in 2000, McCain HIMSELF was asked by a young woman why her father should be penalized for being in a wealthy tax bracket on hardball i believe, and McCain said that “wealthy people can afford more” and that “the very wealthy, because they can afford tax lawyers and all kinds of loopholes, really don’t pay nearly as much as you think they do.” he then said, "here’s what I really believe: that when you reach a certain level of comfort, there’s nothing wrong with paying somewhat more." sound familiar? isn’t palin essentially doing the same thing in alaska? she imposes huge levies on the oil companies that lease their fields, then takes that money, and redistributes it back to alaskans. she said “they share the wealth”. share the wealth, spread the wealth, take from the wealthy, take from an oil company- if it walks like a duck, and it talks like a duck……

i dont want to dredge up the issues again, but it was things like this, where the mccain ticket took these shots after wading in the same pool- this gave me great pause with them. obama certainly put out some false statements, but not on these lines. he often wrangled mccains policies falsely.

but the more mccain and palin just threw stuff out there, i felt they had less and less to show that they could command the united states together.

people placed alot of blame on the media. maybe. but the fact still remains- had not palin GIVEN them the actual material to work with.....
i dont believe in gotcha journalism. you were asked a question. you answered poorly. you cant blame the media for not asking you "better questions". when you are in the white house, and you are threatened, you can't ask the terrorists to use weapons that wont hurt as much. you have to be able to, at ANY given time, no matter what is thrown at you- stand your ground, and answer responsibly.

she was fine when it was written for her, but on her own, it was another story- and it will be her, on her own, in the white house. as a woman i would have loved to see a woman in the white house- just not that woman.

i dont agree with everything obama stands for, but i do think he is was able to touch the american hands that were reaching out for help- and with that he won the election.

i dont think the mcccain ticket reached out to americans as much as they tried to push down their throats a sense of fear and uneasyness. to me, this was the wrong campaign path to take, and the polls told their story.

i think mccain is a fine man, and i was proud of his concession speach. i believe he really does want to heal america- he just did not portray that in his campaign.

as far as obama, i have to admit i am thrilled to be alive during this historic time. he seems like a steady, disciplined, intelligent man. i hope he keeps his word, i hope he brings things together, and gets things fixed.

every candidate makes promises, on both sides, and after every election we can only hope they keep them. all i know is, they have alot of work to do.
 
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Congratulations to our new President Barack Obama.
 
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Why is it an historic time that people voted for an individual based on his skin color? You can say, oh, I didn't, but look at the % of african american voters that voted for him, and tell me that wasn't based on color.

What would have been historic would have been for an african american to be elected based upon his experience and leadership.

What the United States needed was an election based on quality, not a referendum on political correctness.
 
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maxeaus said:
Couldn't disagree more, G.W.Bush gave Obama a free ride to some extent, though he (Obama) appears to be a dab hand at peddling his bike quite well all by himself.

Palin did not help also, mainly by "opening her mouth". :lol:

I think Americans are much smarter, than to be swayed by the media in such an important event.

Haha. If Americans were smart enough to disregard the media, the DOW would still be near 15,000, we wouldn't be blaming Bush for issues he didn't have a part in, and we wouldn't have Obama as our president.

Palin couldn't have helped though, that’s correct! :bah:

On another note, I'm glad that we have come along enough to elect a minority, especially an African American, as the president of the United States. However, there were too many people who voted for him because of his race. I've never seen so many Africans/Latinos/Minorities at the polls. Like I said, I'm extraordinarily happy that they did come out and vote, I just wish they had more reason to vote for Obama, instead of simply doing it to elect a black man as president, which is what happened. He didn't have to work too hard with so many prominent African supporters, like Oprah.

What’s done is done, and I just hope Obama can't hurt too much, especially with a huge democratic majority. This can be nothing but bad for the US or the people of the United States.
 
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RogueWriter said:
What the United States needed was an election based on quality, not a referendum on political correctness.

So it's a good thing that it was based on the quality of the canditates then. :)
It was always going to be a lose-lose election for the losing supporters. On the one hand, if the Dems had lost, they would have been up in arms, accusing people of people not voting for Obama because of his race. On the other hand, now the Reps have lost, they are saying that it's because of this race issue that Obama has won.
While Obama being the first 'black' president of the USA is a historic occasion, I believe the reason he has won the election is because he gave Americans something to hope for and gave them the chance to see light at the end of this current dark economic tunnel. His speeches were inspirational and he has earned not only the vote, but the respect of a large amount of Americans.
Kudos to McCain on his speech though. He was definately the best candidate for the republicans, but he was almost going to have an uphill struggle. The general consensus was that America needed change.

Oh, and no kudos to the booing Republican supporters. when Obama's name was mentioned That's what you call sore losers :td: Not a nice thing to see.
 
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the amount of black voters that voted for him- alot of it very well may have been based on race. just as there were white voters who came out who would not vote for him, based on race. there is a pub not far from here who kept a sign outside that said "No blacks in the White House. It is a WHITE House".

in the end tho, it would seem that experienced or not, voters were disenchanted with mccain. it takes alot with that much experience and history to push voters away.
the majority of males and females in total voted obama, but the majority of white males and females voted mccain. the majority of every other race in america voted obama. the majority if 18-44 year olds voted obama- they split on 45-64 and mccain got the seniors.
obama got 4 out of the 5 income levels under 100,000.00- and 2 out of the 4 above 100,000.00.
obama got the majority in all 5 levels of education, from no high school to post graduate.

you want an election based on quality, but an election is based on what the candidates bring to the table. and that was for america to decide, and they did, from all races, income and education levels.

again, i hope to see some merging in our government on our critical issues, and get some of this mess straightened out.
 
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