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Petition: Why the new gTLDs are a bad idea


Here are some reasons I compiled on why generic top level domains are a disaster waiting to happen. I hope the members of ICANN read this and put it into consideration. Feel free to add, discuss, rant, or whatever.

TM nightmare
Trademark owners would have to secure their mark in every extension as a defensive mechanism. That is very costly and major corps have already spoken loudly.
-Verizon vice president Sarah Deutsch calls it a “huge waste of corporate resources”
-The trademark issues are not so clear cut. There are “gray” areas and then there are “grey” areas. Does InsureMe.com have any rights to Insure.Me?

User confusion
Info.Cars or Cars.Info? Singles.Love or Love.Singles?
With names like these, we might as well type in the IP address.
The domain name system was originally in place for convenience – so that users would not have to memorize a string of numbers. (From addresses to phone numbers, we have enough to remember as is) It is then will it become a huge “non profit” cash cow.

Dot com or just a dot?

Most people have gotten used to the idea that www is the Internet prefix and .com is the Internet suffix. All you need to say is AnyKeyWord.com and even the least tech savvy have a vague idea of the web.
With the new system, the only thing new domains will have in common with each other is the dot. It will be that one tiny dot that will tell users it’s an Internet site. That will force radio announcers to say that excruciating prefix “Double U, double u, double u” out loud.” Instead of “Visit us at Business.com, it's Visit us a www.business.money. A lot of the traffic will go to money.com

Just the dot does not give closure to the message like a .com, a .net, or a .gov. Even though I have a lot of bad things to say about the custom TLDs I am a big supporter of dot web for that very reason. I have a hunch people are still going to attach that .com to whatever is advertised without an obvious suffix.

Technology Changes Fast. People’s habits don’t

Case and Point –Toll Free numbers American Idol is one of the most watched TV shows in the states. At the end of the show, watchers can vote for their favorite singer. During every episode, views have to be reminded these numbers are 1-866 not 1-800 numbers. And still, viewers still dial the wrong number…

Name Change, any one?
In my honest opinion, the new gTLDs are like this: Let’s say I get my name legally changed to Mike next week. I wonder if my friends will call me Mike. People’s perception of a web address will similarly not adjust as well. Think celebrities: P.Diddy is still Puff Daddy. Don’t get me started with Prince. Now think business. Think Macy’s department store: The US chain went from Hudson’s, to Marshall Fields, to now what is known as Macy’s. But still, older folks like my father still call it Hudson’s.

Now this may seem like a silly analogy but domaining is the industry of names and name changes. After all, whether you thought it was Macy’s or Hudson’s you still arrive at the same building. However, with a domain name a single slip and you arrive at a completely different location.

ICANN’S wrong priorities
Instead of investing time and money in this chaos waiting to happen ICANN should be concerned with keeping the Internet’s network architecture from collapsing. AT &T’s vice president has said that 130 billion in investments is needed to keep the networks stable three years from now. HD Video is predicted to make up most of the traffic and at this rate the net needs a makeover.

Disclaimer: These are my opinions. Don't shoot me.
 
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There is no demand for more new extensions. It is a completely contrived/artificial scenario so that a small group can profit off of the domain industry's emerging popularity.

Somewhat similar to the Wall Street mortgage giveaway fiasco that has wrecked the economy. This is exactly the same with negative consequences being inevitable. ICANN are trading the hierarchial organization of the internet for $$$. These new releases will be like dumping buckets of chum in a fishbowl. Messy, completely unnecessary, and driven by greed.
 
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Carlton said:
Somewhat similar to the Wall Street mortgage giveaway fiasco that has wrecked the economy. This is exactly the same with negative consequences being inevitable.

Now this surely is the most exaggerated comment I have seen so far about why new tld's shouldn't be introduced.

How the heck could introducing new domain extensions be comparable sub prime loans defaults? (let alone being "exactly the same" as you claim it to be)
 
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snoop said:
Now this surely is the most exaggerated comment I have seen so far about why new tld's shouldn't be introduced.

How the heck could introducing new domain extensions be comparable sub prime loans defaults? (let alone being "exactly the same" as you claim it to be)
:lol: I got your attention there snoopy. The financial incentive for a small group to "exploit the system" will outweigh negative effects on the majority. The deregulation of lending standards led to widespread abuses for short term financial gain, aka ICANN selling registrar credentials and opening the domain flood gates will have far reaching negative effects ... which are being ignored in lieu of the massive new revenue stream a few will enjoy.
 
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If ICANN wanted to make more money all the have to do is auction off the rest of the 1 letter .com's for 2 million plus each. That way:

  1. Google can get G.com (they already have G.cn)
  2. Yahoo can get Y.com
  3. Microsoft can get M.com
  4. Nissan can get N.com as a consolation domain since they can't get Nissan.com (they do have Z.com but nothing good starts with Z)
  5. Rick Schwartz can have R.com to satisfy his ego
 
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.h2o. said:
(they do have Z.com but nothing good starts with Z)

Better not tell Zenith or Zippo that ;)
 
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Carlton said:
There is no demand for more new extensions. It is a completely contrived/artificial scenario so that a small group can profit off of the domain industry's emerging popularity.

Somewhat similar to the Wall Street mortgage giveaway fiasco that has wrecked the economy. This is exactly the same with negative consequences being inevitable. ICANN are trading the hierarchial organization of the internet for $$$. These new releases will be like dumping buckets of chum in a fishbowl. Messy, completely unnecessary, and driven by greed.

^ It (being completely unnecessary) is exactly what has become (pure GREED!) of :$: mTLD ... and, going forward with even newer extensions, I concur! :yell:

The .COM cream will always rise to the top in such confusion and dilution, as well! :gl: :imho:
-Jeff B-)
 
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Petition? You will have no success with a petition. Do you think ICANN really care about what domainers want? The only reason all of us dont want it is because some fear it may devalue our domains. Personally, I dont care. There wont be as many new TLDs released as people think and most will just fail. Its not going to be cheap to set up a new TLD and the cost will be at least in the xxx,xxx range. I have no doubt that most will just make it back with domainers registering domains thinking they can sell them for a profit in the future, unfortunately most of those who do will just loose their money. There will be a few which may be successful, such as a .xxx or something but most will just be another .travel. .travel never had any success so why would any other keyword extension have any success? .la has always been branded as the extension for LA and it has never had any success so why would a .nyc have success? Let these people start their own TLDs and either they will lose a lot of money or the people silly enough to invest in them will.

Finally to clear up some confusion, there cant be any new TLDs shorter then 3 characters or similar to a current TLD. Not only that, but .om already exists for those who think that might be a good new tld. Anyone who wants to start their own tld should note that no extension longer then 3 letters has ever had any real success, .info is only popular because of $1 sales and whenever they disappear .info numbers fall, so stick to 3 letters I guess.
 
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d3N said:
Anyone who wants to start their own tld should note that no extension longer then 3 letters has ever had any real success, .info is only popular because of $1 sales and whenever they disappear .info numbers fall, so stick to 3 letters I guess.

^ Hammer. Head. Nail. :yell: :imho:

-Jeff B-)
 
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d3N said:
Let these people start their own ccTLDs and either they will lose a lot of money or the people silly enough to invest in them will.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding your post?

You mean like a .ca? a less than 3 ccTLD?
Yea, I can see how silly it is to invest in our own ccTLD - NOT!

I haven't lost a dime investing in .ca's - some are worth the time
and effort!
Everything grows...and usually up!
 
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Finally to clear up some confusion, there cant be any new TLDs shorter then 3 characters or similar to a current TLD. Not only that, but .om already exists for those who think that might be a good new tld. Anyone who wants to start their own tld should note that no extension longer then 3 letters has ever had any real success, .info is only popular because of $1 sales and whenever they disappear .info numbers fall, so stick to 3 letters I guess.

I guess it depends how you measure success lol. A successful TLD is vibrant community that comes from a clearly defined brand which not only has a reason to exist but is looked on with affection by a community in the real world.

Not because there are a few outlier sales of $XXX,XXX or there are X million domains registered. .com has 78 million domains registered. Is that good? How many are used for something other than ads for other domains? - Before domain tasting became industrialized there were around 30 million domains.

What’s more important is how many domains are used. It’s easy to be lazy and let everyone else develop around you sit on your parking lot waiting. The problem is it takes year and years.

.com .net .org had a huge head start 1985 - 2001 16 years before .info 2001

.info has had 7 years and is now just over half the size of the .co.uk space (UK being the 5th or so largest economy of the world) in terms of pages and sites with useful information.

So success might not simply be a function of TLD length :)
 
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.h2o. said:
Petition: Why the new gTLDs are a bad idea
Probably far too late for such a thing.
 
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d3N said:
Anyone who wants to start their own tld should note that no extension longer then 3 letters has ever had any real success, .info is only popular because of $1 sales and whenever they disappear .info numbers fall, so stick to 3 letters I guess.

No new extensions have any real success, I don't think it has anything to do with length, the problem is the "default" extensions that everyone associates with the Internet (.com and popular country codes like .de and .co.uk) was set a long time ago.
 
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mis_chiff said:
Maybe I'm misunderstanding your post?

You mean like a .ca? a less than 3 ccTLD?
Yea, I can see how silly it is to invest in our own ccTLD - NOT!

I haven't lost a dime investing in .ca's - some are worth the time
and effort!
Everything grows...and usually up!
Sorry, that should never have said ccTLD. Was a typo. Was meant to be just TLD. Fixed now.

snoop said:
No new extensions have any real success, I don't think it has anything to do with length, the problem is the "default" extensions that everyone associates with the Internet (.com and popular country codes like .de and .co.uk) was set a long time ago.
True, but the internet is changing. More people are learning that com and their ccTLD isnt the only thing. The only new TLD I have ever had any interest in is .me and only with a very small investment as its the only one I can see with decent potential. I think .tv and .me can be strong extensions in the future but also I know its uncertain so I invest mainly in com. Of any future new TLD I cant really see my self investing in it TBH unless I find something I know I can quick flip in the hype following a new TLD launch which seems to always happen.
 
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d3N said:
Sorry, that should never have said ccTLD. Was a typo. Was meant to be just TLD. Fixed now.

I'll go turn the car off now :laugh:
 
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d3N said:
True, but the internet is changing. More people are learning that com and their ccTLD isnt the only thing.

Is there any statistics that would suggest that? I don't see it personally.

The number of people opting for new or alternate extensions is very very slim and traditional extensions still seem to be outpacing all but the most recently recently introduced extensions in terms of registration % increases.
 
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gpmgroup said:
I guess it depends how you measure success lol. A successful TLD is vibrant community that comes from a clearly defined brand which not only has a reason to exist but is looked on with affection by a community in the real world.

Not because there are a few outlier sales of $XXX,XXX or there are X million domains registered. .com has 78 million domains registered. Is that good? How many are used for something other than ads for other domains? - Before domain tasting became industrialized there were around 30 million domains.

What’s more important is how many domains are used. It’s easy to be lazy and let everyone else develop around you sit on your parking lot waiting. The problem is it takes year and years.

.com .net .org had a huge head start 1985 - 2001 16 years before .info 2001

.info has had 7 years and is now just over half the size of the .co.uk space (UK being the 5th or so largest economy of the world) in terms of pages and sites with useful information.

So success might not simply be a function of TLD length :)
I remember before I was a domainer, extensions like .info just feel awkward. Maybe its due to being used to shorter extensions, I'm not sure. But an extension should be short IMO, everyone seems to want shorter domains and a short extension is part of that.

Anyway, just look at the numbers http://www.hosterstats.com/DomainNameCounts2008.php and see that .info is the only major TLD decreasing in numbers. It fell below 5million registrations 4 months ago and still hasn't risen back above. Its time for some more $1 promotions I think. The only reason it has that many registrations is because for $1 it is worth taking a risk. Everyone bought out all the short domains and also a lot of spam sites and proxies like .info because its cheap. Sure it has its use and is good for making proxies on so you only pay $1 for a domain since a proxy has a short life but I dont define this as success.
 
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snoop said:
The number of people opting for new or alternate extensions is very very slim and traditional extensions still seem to be outpacing all but the most recently recently introduced extensions in terms of registration % increases.

Stats from here (with the exception of the .TV and some of the "newest" ones) seem to support your statement, IMHO. :gl:

Link: http://www.registrarstats.com/Public/ZoneFileSurvey.aspx

mis_chiff said:
I'll go turn the car off now :laugh:

:hehe:

-Jeff B-)
 
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snoop said:
Is there any statistics that would suggest that? I don't see it personally.

The number of people opting for new or alternate extensions is very very slim and traditional extensions still seem to be outpacing all but the most recently recently introduced extensions in terms of registration % increases.
.com grew 0.61% while net grew 0.69% and org grew 0.96% last month. Might be an outlier, if you can be bothered having a deeper look go ahead. Also I done that with the windows calculator thing so maybe I made a typo putting the numbers in. Numbers taken from HosterStats.com
 
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d3N said:
.com grew 0.61% while net grew 0.69% and org grew 0.96% last month. Might be an outlier, if you can be bothered having a deeper look go ahead. Also I done that with the windows calculator thing so maybe I made a typo putting the numbers in. Numbers taken from HosterStats.com

Here is some more meaningful counts,

http://zooknic.com/Domains/counts.html
 
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snoop said:
Here is some more meaningful counts,

http://zooknic.com/Domains/counts.html
Whats your point? You asked for statistics that show people are moving away from just .com and I showed you that net and org are growing faster then com. Now you claim the statistics are meaningless just because they dont support your view?
 
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