Pattern in domain business.

[Zir0]

Appears the whole domain business bases it in the owners name and not so much about domain value. Even if you have a good domain you wont sell it if you dont have a known name in the domain business. Any agree?

 

[Zir0]

Looks as I was wrong about this. But NOW I am right, cause after such posts I did..

 

[Adrigan]

There is a well known tendency for the human brain to find patterns when no pattern exists. This might not be in the exact same area that you are talking of, but it's probably worth being cautious in any undertaking or significant decisions where money is involved and ensure you are making decisions based in reality and not the numerous things that exist only in the imagined world.

 

[enterscope]

It may play a small factor, but it doesn't have to.

Personally, I believe the less information the end user knows the better. Most bushiness would prefer a domain with little to no history if they can help it. A fresh plate is always best to launch from. There's nothing stopping you from turning down every offer that doesn't meat your expectations. If the buyer sees the value, they will buy the domain.

 

[eyedomainous]

Yes but Provenance applies to objects where establishing its history is important from a legal and historic point of view and of course, it's value as a result. This is mainly for art objects, ancient artefacts and books, but also includes scientific artefacts such as dinosaur bones and fossils.
It doesn't apply to most homes, or any other everyday objects that are either very common or where origins are impossible to be known or don't need to be kniwn. It certainly doesn't apply to domain names.

Nonsense. Domain names have a rich provenance... from the first domain names, to every viral URL in internet history. Digital preservation itself is an embodiment of provenance. And, every famous name, popular slang or sacred word domain name for sale is peddling its provenance.

Which reminds me; Years ago, when the owner of AsSeenOnTV.com died associates decided to buy the domain from his widow for the $5 Mil he had paid for it. Which is also the price they sold it for a decade later, in another private / personal sale.

So while it is true 'most' folks don't know or care who the domain seller is, it is also true that private sales, where who the seller is matters, often accounts for a greater domain sales dollar volume.

For example, the $15 Mil generated by this one domain -in private / personal sales, is greater than all .TV domain sales combined for the last 20 years.

 

[MKA]

Appears the whole domain business bases it in the owners name and not so much about domain value. Even if you have a good domain you wont sell it if you dont have a known name in the domain business. Any agree?

No.

People don't go to Mike Mann because he's Mike Mann. They go to him because he has a domain they want.

Then why do so many people go to him? Because he has a large portfolio of good domains.

Think of it from a buyer's perspective. You want to start a service called Defendr, and you want to own that brand. Well...you'll need defendr.com. Turns out Mike Mann has it. Do you care? No. All you care about is whether you can acquire it.

Of course Mike is a good negotiator, but that comes with experience.

 

[Adrigan]

Nonsense. Domain names have a rich provenance... from the first domain names, to every viral URL in internet history. Digital preservation itself is an embodiment of provenance. And, every famous name, popular slang or sacred word domain name for sale is peddling its provenance.

Which reminds me; Years ago, when the owner of AsSeenOnTV.com died associates decided to buy the domain from his widow for the $5 Mil he had paid for it. Which is also the price they sold it for a decade later, in another private / personal sale.

So while it is true 'most' folks don't know or care who the domain seller is, it is also true that private sales, where who the seller is matters, often accounts for a greater domain sales dollar volume.

For example, the $15 Mil generated by this one domain -in private / personal sales, is greater than all .TV domain sales combined for the last 20 years.

It looks like you are conflating provenance with popularity. There is lots of nonsense spoken about digital things and hot air extruded on the subject, primarily because it is relatively new and the eggheads and propellerheads who make the most noise, make that nonsense evident.

Provenance is to do with tangible things not intangible things. I think the prove part of provenance is important here. Is there some digital method for proving digital things, in a legal way that is not in dispute?

In the effed up world we have and will have for some time, I don't doubt that there will be an effort (if such effort hasn't already been made) to classify non tangible things as tangible. Even if that happens, it won't make it so, anymore than a law that says you can beat your wife with a stick, as long as the stick isn't wider than your thumb is right and an OK law (the rule of thumb). Remember, the English used to stick their asses out of their house windows and crap directly onto the road/street below, where people walked. This was considered fine/OK to do too. I believe this is the motivation for creating raised heels on shoes, which at the time, only the wealthy could afford.

I am not sure if this is still the case, but some years ago, I worked briefly in a lawyer company. I would see office after office rammed full of documents piled high in towers, almost to the ceiling, and I wondered how the hell do the lawyers and staff know what is where.
Lawyers were slow as glaciers to embrace the digital medium and perhaps they still are. It seems they didn't yet trust the medium to provide irrefutable evidence or proof of things, like signatures, stamps, notarization and a chain of events or procedures.
Perhaps someone who works in the legal field can chime in on this.

Paper things can be very annoying and take up space, plus they can be fraudulent and they can be destroyed. But large numbers of people still use paper and 45 years or so after computers became widespread, people still print things out and many organisations and governments all over the world still require some form of paper document as proof of things.

 

[Andreas B.]

If you cannot sell a domain name, there are only 2 reasons for it:

1) It is a name, that nobody wants (or as they say, it is not the right time for it yet... ; )
2) Price is too high.

That has nothing to do with your (personal) name, as a domainer.