domain Nationwide dot info

[noy.com]

Hi, got the domain and would appreciate the appraisals, I already have somebody interested. I'd appreciate if there are no comments on my actual purchase price.

Regards

 

[infosec3]

I have a couple of doubts and observations about this one. First, I am not sure up to what degree there may be a TM issue. I am not a lawyer and cannot offer legal advice, but having read much about the issue, my first impression is that the insurance company with that name may have a legitimate claim toward that name. Although there is a combination of two generic keywords, the public would tend to associate the words with the company. Again, don't take this as an objection to your domain. I am just expressing some doubts. That aside, and after looking for the keywords using the Google K.T., I believe it is a great domain. The keywords as one word (Nationwide) has more than 1,500,000 exact searches. Appraisal? I would say low or mid $X,XXX.

 

[DubDubDubDot]

The keywords as one word (Nationwide) has more than 1,500,000 exact searches. Appraisal? I would say low or mid $X,XXX.

If your $x,xxx appraisal is based on search volume, those figures no doubt represent people looking for the insurance company.

Not considering the insurance company at all, I would say low $xx reseller.

 

[John Baron]

yes , i would also say low $xx

 

[wwwweb]

nationwide auto could fight for this domain, and stand a good chance of winning.

For that reason anywhere in the range of $300 and below, based on risk, but there
are many nationwide named companies.

 

[noy.com]

Well, first of all nationwide info has nothing to do with insurance company. And of course I won't place uncontrollable ads to avoid grey zone. And the same goes for Nationwide.net owned by ISP, nationwide.org (for sale) and nationwide.biz owned by Nationwide loan services. Nationwide is a dictionary word meaning "attributable to the whole nation" and cannot be tm-ed.

So, leave tm issue out of it.

If I will develop it myself (most probably), it going to be, as the name NationWide Info implies, all kinds of information, including news, weather, ads etc.

Btw, if any of you have similar types and quality of words .info for sale at $xx and even $xxx, just pm me )))

And just for info, Estibot values it at $10000.

 

[Kate]

Nationwide is a dictionary word meaning "attributable to the whole nation" and cannot be tm-ed.

So, leave tm issue out of it.

Apple is a dictionary keyword too and it is TMed within the realm of computers and software. If you had Apple.info it would be suicidal to operate in the same industry.

That being said I think your domain is quite nice but the extension hurts. IMO it would be nice if you could fetch a tenth of what estibot suggests.

 

[noy.com]

Sdsinc, exactly. You cannot have nationwide.info providing insurance, or for that matter, mortgage etc. Actually, nationwide insurance is not even number one for searches with nationwide and there are globally bigger associations than that.

there are 2000+ tms involving "nationwide" in us only and nobody can claim exclusivity.

Coming to extension, I think it is perfect for news+weather+ads+business listings+trends+whatever information.

Yes, "info" takes a discount from .com by factor of 20-100 times, but nationwide.com undeveloped would be well worth over 500K.

 

[DubDubDubDot]

Nationwide is a dictionary word meaning "attributable to the whole nation" and cannot be tm-ed.

So, leave tm issue out of it.

The mark can, and has been trademarked by a number of companies for various uses.

And just for info, Estibot values it at $10000.

You are new here, so I'll warn you early to not mention Estibot prices if you want to be taken seriously.

Yes, "info" takes a discount from .com by factor of 20-100 times, but nationwide.com undeveloped would be well worth over 500K.

So if nationwide.com undeveloped is over $500k and .info is 20-100 times less, you value nationwide .info at $5,000 to $25,000+?

 

[noy.com]

I might be new to here, but I am not new to internet/domaining etc.

I own numerious websites, servers, etc. I also participate in lots of auctions on different platforms. I don't care what others think of my reference to Estibot. I have my own opinion based on benchmarking to what I see as actual sale prices. And, yes, I do benchmarking before, not after. And yes, even after the sale estibot does not change its valuation, because it is programmed to take into consideration the market imperfections. Most of the time Estibot gets the range right and can distinguish better names from worse ones. And at least Estibot takes into consideration relevant sales, search results, search keywords, differing from some valuations here. And, yes, I can tell when Estibot is way off, like when valuing yes.ru at small price, while it is really very valuable name.

It is amasing to just experience the auction with tens of bids in hundreds of usd and then see dn "pros" valuing a name at $xx.

Regarding tm, again, yes, you can tm a popular dictionary word, but you cannot claim exclusivity to it. For the specific case, a) again there 2000+ tms on this; b) none of the tm holders seem to dominate the associations has seen in this thread as well (somebody mentioned the auto company); c) none of the companies seem to own even 2 of the gtlds
d) if I needed tm opinions, I'd open the thread in the relevant subforum and not here.
So, please, again leave tm out.

 

[exsedo]

With all the different Tm's over an array of categories, this has to limit the usage of the domain and therefore the price anyone would pay for it. Except if one of the Tm holders comes in for the domain to strengthen their brand. In which case you could do well out of the deal. Good luck.

 

[noy.com]

exsedo, thanks ))

yes, requirement to be careful might limit the value.

yes, the use of "nationwide" in 100s of names can boost the value ))

btw, given the specific of the word, I'd personally value nationwide.info over nationwide.net, because it makes more sense )

 

[DubDubDubDot]

And, yes, I can tell when Estibot is way off

So you do believe that this is a ~$10,000 .info then.

I just looked and Nationwide.org sold for $2,226* in 2006 at Snapnames.

It is amasing to just experience the auction with tens of bids in hundreds of usd and then see dn "pros" valuing a name at $xx.

Some auctions attract domainers who right then are willing to pay more for a domain than one would expect. They have their reasons. It is very difficult to take these domainers into account when giving value opinions. I still stand by my $xx in that it's what the average reseller would pay for it.

It is also very possible that you were bidding against end users if it went for $xxx.

 

[noy.com]

it actually went in xxxx, but that's beyond the point. I consider myself more an end-user than a domainer ) I buy only the names that I could develop myself, but since I have more ideas/domains, than time, I don't mind selling at right price

thanks for info on .org, that's quite valuable info and encouraging as well, since there is more potential commercial usage for .info than for .org. I prefer .org for some other keywords, but not this one.

And to your point about auctions, actually it is a stable trend now that all good dictionary word .net, .org, .infos attract lots of bids, as well as product+product.coms

I was today competing for TouchMonitor.com, willing to pay up to $1800, but it went higher than that. The same with Hands.org, which sold for over $2600.

Good dictionary word .infos are hard to come by below 1k now, hence my surprise to see "pro" valuations here. And no, seeing sales on the forum, I am not planning to sell my names here. Also, most of the offers are usually crappy as well. I don't think resellers with considerable cash at hand and end-users use this forum and/or DNF or any other one of the kind.

Again, the example of yes.ru: there were some saying it is worth $xxx, but seriously, I'd love to buy that one for even 2K ))

 

[infosec3]

Good dictionary word .infos are hard to come by below 1k now, hence my surprise to see "pro" valuations here. And no, seeing sales on the forum, I am not planning to sell my names here. Also, most of the offers are usually crappy as well. I don't think resellers with considerable cash at hand and end-users use this forum and/or DNF or any other one of the kind.

That's kind of harsh. Don't you think? I know some of the comments may have not been as serious as you would expect, but why trash the entire forum?

 

[noy.com]

I am not trashing the forum. I do like it, since I am here. My view on transactions is subjective, of course, based on a) quality of majority of names posted for sale/auction; b) on prices offered; c) on valuations offered. I might be wrong, of course.

 

[exsedo]

I am not trashing the forum. I do like it, since I am here. My view on transactions is subjective, of course, based on a) quality of majority of names posted for sale/auction; b) on prices offered; c) on valuations offered. I might be wrong, of course.

Of course. If you knew all there was to know, you wouldn't be here asking our opinions.

 

[DubDubDubDot]

You came in here thinking this is a $10,000 domain and looking for confirmation of that from others. When you didn't get it, you got your panties in a bundle. It happens quite often in the appraisal section.

 

[noy.com]

DubDub,

Why would I care, If you'd confirm its worth or not? how does that add value? I came here for quality discussion. Instead, what I find is standard-for-any-nice-name-tm-issue-comment + "reseller-valuation-meaning-the-price-i'd-pay-personally-given-my-bad-financial-situation".

 

[RTM]

Disregarding the OT nature above, I think this is easily a $xxxx name (for the geo development angle, providing location based services)...

Just my opinion!

Rob