question My surrendered VZ5G.com is now live (Verizon). Should I have not?

[WhoaDomain.com]

Yes I'm that guy that registers TM domains. get that out the way.

So I had registered VZ5G.com and 5GVZ.com

Don't know if it was just the panic of having a huge company like Verizon having their lawyers come knocking on my door.

or just that I did not want that hassle. They came because of my VerizonVR.com lol yea yea. anyways.

So because of that I had surrendered all my other VZ and VZW domains.

I'm wondering now if I could have fought it like I did with my other ones and Lawyers left me alone. I mean sure the Verizon ones go ahead take those but VZ is such a generic term seeing as how there are so many other TM's for it below.

Verizon has had the TM for VZ since 2002.

but then again I could have argued that VZ5G.com could have been sold to other potential endusers that does not necessarily need to be telecommunications related as evidenced below.

Is it too late since I handed VZ5G.com and 5GVZ.com over of my own free will? I was scared so I said to hell with it. but now in hindsight maybe I shouldn't have given how I've "won" other TM issue domains in the past by proving the domains can have multi use.

I guess I'm just regretting it seeing what's on VZ5G.com now and how they are hashtagging #VZ5G now on Twitter.

I mean even my VZW5G.com and 5GVZW.com technically the TM for VZW wasn't until 2018 and I had reg these domains back in 2016.

or could it be because I had registered VerizonVR.com and VRVerizon.com that I showed a "pattern" and therefore all VZ and VZW domains are forfeit anyways? This was my thinking when I handed them over.

Plus Verizon did say. Verizon does not buy domains. I wonder if this is true? Has anyone ever sold a domain to Verizon? I think I'll make a separate thread for that.

sigh*************


Serial Number Reg. Number Word Mark Check Status Live/Dead
1 88123792 VZLUSH TSDR LIVE
2 88135773 5715513 VZ TSDR LIVE
3 88135850 VZ TSDR LIVE
4 87913448 5637557 VZWRAPS TSDR LIVE
5 87867883 5621357 VZ SPORT MATE TSDR LIVE
6 87845595 5595284 VZ OPERATOR II TSDR LIVE
7 87632762 5453488 VIN VZ ZEN TSDR LIVE
8 87239185 5344525 VZ AUTH TSDR LIVE
9 87139130 5229555 VZ4X4 TSDR LIVE
10 86546443 4884419 VZ VONZIPPER TSDR LIVE
11 86301811 4800783 VZ TSDR LIVE
12 86732356 5570930 VZ BLOOMS TSDR LIVE
13 86830310 5277129 VZ WEAPON SOLUTIONS TSDR LIVE
14 86566411 4841026 VZ TSDR LIVE
15 86983255 5404216 VZ BLOOMS TSDR LIVE
16 86702254 4944862 VZ010R SCADA.COM TSDR LIVE
17 86321064 4758787 VZ TSDR LIVE
18 86130442 4689752 VZ VOGUE ZIA TSDR LIVE
19 86012565 4614853 VZ VAZA SALON TSDR LIVE
20 85587478 4333772 VZ TSDR LIVE
21 85665376 4304576 VZ ORIENTATION TSDR LIVE
22 85778795 4446449 VZ EVENTS TSDR LIVE
23 85778773 4442549 VZ EDU TSDR LIVE
24 85486436 4731805 VZ TSDR LIVE
25 85445664 4207693 VZ SUNFLOWER TSDR LIVE
26 85247760 4140075 VZ DOME TSDR LIVE
27 85778751 4538869 VZ APPLY TSDR LIVE
28 78195822 3490085 VZ TSDR LIVE
29 77812076 3826366 VZ HANG TSDR LIVE
30 77517648 3720714 VZ NAVIGATOR TSDR LIVE
31 77537341 3880442 VZ SYSTEMS TSDR LIVE
32 77673847 3717876 VZ TSDR LIVE
33 77231609 3603365 VZ METAL OXIDE VARISTORS SINCERA BRAND TSDR LIVE
34 77447385 3536677 VZ COMMUNICATIONS TSDR LIVE
35 76277908 2787973 VZ TSDR LIVE
36 76654792 3185403 VZ GRIPS TSDR LIVE
37 75842310 2709669 VZ TSDR LIVE

Edit: I never reached out to Verizon to try and sell these to them ever either.

 

[JB Lions]

Have you considered just stop regging TM names? You have endless trademark posts here. You have endless advice on this already. What more are you looking for?

 

[equity78]

Verizon defends their intellectual property, people like @jberryhill tell people here all the time to stop the improper behavior, but some don't want to listen. I would also say you are playing with fire because some companies don't go, UDRP they go to court under the ACPA which brings $100,000 fine. Like @JB Lions said just stop.

 

[equity78]

Verizon Wireless wins $33 million in a cybersquatting dispute - Azrights

https://www.azrights.com/.../verizon-wireless-wins-33-million-in-a-cybersquatting-dis...
Jan 27, 2009 - Verizon Wireless wins $33 million in a cybersquatting dispute ... A good next step for Verizon would be to push for ICANN to revoke OnlineNIC's ...

 

[Ostrados]

I am not sure what is the point of all of this, you are wasting your time and money by keeping registering TM domains, and you are wasting domainers time for discussing this over and over again.. plz just stop doing it

why you insist doing it anyway? for adrenaline rush?

 

[wwwweb]

Having sold a legitimate domain to Verizon ,
No TM keywords in the past, they were a pleasure to work with, paid all the fees, and paid within a day.

Playing in this space is very dangerous, now they have your name, and number, and you put yourself in a bad position going forward. I see some people do this to scrape a sale here, and there so they can renew their portfolio for another month, and stay above water. Not only are you doing yourself a disservice, but every domainer in here, and professional trying to seperate a domainer from a squatter.

Not sure why you use namepros, you really learn nothing, just the random post from you seeking redemption, or attention.

 

[jberryhill]

I thought maybe VerizonVR.com could be a generic terms to be used for some VR experience unrelated to Verizon

 

[Corey]

I don't have the time or energy to read your entire posts.

Research for you = Trademark basics | USPTO

Cheers
Corey

 

[lambo.com]

wow, what an admission.

So you are like a mosquito?

 

[MadAboutDomains]

Stupid as this sounds. I regged VerizonVR.com soon after that.

I wouldn't call that blatant TM infringing more like impulse and rashness and poorly informed decision if anything.

It is. It's blatant TM infringing.

 

[ResoluteDomains]

Tell that to GoogleAutosales.com

OK, so because someone robbed a bank in my city then I guess I should go try to do similar and see if I can get away with it.

BYE!!!!!! I am unwatching this thread because.................... it will never end! You seem to LOVE the attention too! Enjoy and best of luck!

 

[lambo.com]

Not understanding or empathy. Just a bit of analysis of the facts.

They didn't ask me "hand over all your VZ domains" they just said "if there are other domains related to the Verizon trademark".

As far VZ (abbreviations are hard "I've read to defend to take using Udrp) I really figured it was generic enough.

Unless Verizon has registered the VZ trademark for all goods and services. Plus 5G can stand for 5 grams or 5000.

If you want to be literal that should be just the keyword "Verizon" not VZ.

I don't understand really why they even asked me to do so when they should have already checked my entire list.

Unless they only really specifically contacted me because of VerizonVR.com.

VZ5G.com was probably not even on their radar. (Although they did finally get Verizon5G.com finally. From that other guy.,)

ok. I answer your question best I can ......



Yes, it is ok you handed it over.

in the possession of most others, maybe vz5g is ok. Though not yours...

You already had their trademarked name, which you handed over. Therefore you couldn't represent VZ5G wasn't owned in the exact same spirit.

Hypothetically speaking, were you to have been pursued by 'them' for a domain like this all the way through to the end... the decision would most likely NOT go in your favor and you would have paid price.

 

[ecomslice]

I think its a neat story, really no set opinion of your choices. This market is all dog eat dog, so to each their own. but I think it would be a good idea to have a well worded response prepared prior to when they contact you, why not give a sob story and that you would appreciate them donating to a registered charity of your choice , at least some good could come of it, because your right, when do most people get direct contact with decision teams in huge corporations.

 

[BrandEntrance.com]

A guy contacted me on Linked in and said he wanted me to help him sell $Million dollar domain names. He gave me the list and it was all 'Exclusive Car brands' and then he said he knew they were copyright but that was ok because he only intended to sell them to the copyright owners.... errr I mean he wanted me to sell them. Idiot...

I shared this and then blocked him from my profile.

https://dnattorney.com/no-you-cant-...-a-domain-name-just-because-it-was-available/

 

[Hemanttilotia]

VZ5G.com was a good reg... Though it is a trademark, but you sure have an ability to look into the future. Good luck

 

[arjun29]

watching

 

[hawkeye]

So you opened the door again, wide!!, regging TM names, again, and now you're crying

I was scared so I said to hell with it. but now in hindsight maybe I shouldn't have

Oh hindsight is such a 'curse'. I think the best thing you should do from now on is fight every single company that comes for your blatant TM domains!! And then, when the one, or more, company/entity does actually take you to court and you do get fined hundreds of thousands dollars or worse, you'll at least feel so much better because you stuck to your (empty) guns and killed your insatiable hindsight of what-if dilemmas! ...good f-ing grief.

And here is a question for the mods of NP. As regging TM domains is supposedly not acceptable here on NP, so WHY is a member who consistently regs TM domains allowed to continue to be a member here??

 

[WhoaDomain.com]

As stated I surrendered the domains.I think I regged these prior to any good advice given to me on here.

a "good idea" is a good idea until it's not. I thought maybe VerizonVR.com could be a generic terms to be used for some VR experience unrelated to Verizon.....maybe..... Someone could use it for some Space related VR game.

Or heck even Verizon "vacation rentals" as I had read on here how VR can stand for virtual reality/vacation rentals.

Believe it or not I genuinely had that mindset prior to registering VerizonVR.com as it's been said several times on here over and over again with every TM thread on here.

"TM's boil down to Goods and Services."

Is Verizon in the gaming industry? Nope. Or Entertainment? Nope Vacation Rentals? Real Estate?

I "thought" they would leave me alone just on that. A safe haven and just sit and wait.

By the way never did reach out to them.

Again like I said. A good idea is a good idea until "it's not". Also it's my money to lose , plus egg on my face. no one else.



I gave up on it. And that's that.

The OP was ...was I obligated to hand over VZ5g.com simply because Verizon reached out to me for VerizonVR.com?

I assumed they had good ground to win and take VZ5G.com anyway since they can prove I showed a pattern of regging tm domains related to Verizon with VerizonVR.com.

FYI I actually got in touch with the owner if Verizon5G.com and was surprised how come Verizon did not take his domain. It was still in his name for months. Last time I checked was last year. If you check today it's now with Verizon.

Actually come to think of it. I remember checking whois for Verizon5G.com and seeing it was registered already and not with Verizon. Call me stupid but this wonder how something so obvious isn't with Verizon? And then that's when I registered VerizonVR.com. as stupid as that may sound. That's exactly how it happened. I think?

Verizon is a sleeping giant. They get around to it eventually.

Wasn't a total loss. It gave me an opportunity to have the lawyer give me the contact person in Verizon to pitch to them.

Free5G.com
Home5G.com
City5G.com

I will say this. If they ever came around with interest. They will have to pay thru the nose because of the domains I surrendered. They understand this already. But like I said. Verizon does not buy domains. (Still need confirmation on this)

I wouldn't suggest this but this is how this went down with Verizon.

To have companies you want to sell domains to.

Reg their obvious TM.
When they contact you.
Surrender them with no fight.
Then pitch the real domains you want and CAN legally sell to them.

Your cost? $10.

When has a direct "way in" ever just cost you $10? How many of us wish big companies contact us directly to discuss domains?

It's hard sometimes to get a hold of anyone in the company you want to sell a domain to. Next to impossible even with ClearBit. But if they reach out to you via a lawyer and you make the situation easy and hand over the domains they want.. They actually help you out with connecting with the right people to discuss the actual domains you want to sell to them since you made their job easy.

Again I repeat to all the negative people. I am not suggesting this but this seemed to work in this case. Too bad Verizon has a policy supposedly on not buying domains .

Turn a bad situation into a good one...maybe.

Could this be a way?

By the way. I sold PaladinDrones.com. there is a company called PaladinDrones.io

I'm sure they own an unregistered trademark for PaladinDrones.com NOW. But I registered PaladinDrones.com prior to them going live.

Also. For all the ones who repeatedly point out all my posts about TM and using this as proof that I'm some kind of baddie.

Let's not forget the fact that there are baddies on both sides of the coin like all the Reverse Hijacking cases where large corps try to take a domain from owners who legally can own those domains and in fact they won those cases with large judgements.

Why do I mention this?

Simple. Under God.

No one is innocent.

"Before commenting about the splinter in a person's remove the plank in your own eye."

 

[ResoluteDomains]

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[lambo.com]

a "good idea" is a good idea until it's not

flawed logic (at least in your case)

 

[WhoaDomain.com]

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Verizon keyword ok take those but since there are so many VZ TM's is it really wrong to wonder? Those other TM's prove there are many uses for VZ. Doesn't or no?

 

[WhoaDomain.com]

Verizon Wireless wins $33 million in a cybersquatting dispute - Azrights

https://www.azrights.com/.../verizon-wireless-wins-33-million-in-a-cybersquatting-dis...
Jan 27, 2009 - Verizon Wireless wins $33 million in a cybersquatting dispute ... A good next step for Verizon would be to push for ICANN to revoke OnlineNIC's ...

Exactly why I surrendered them. I actually read that article AFTER lawyer contacted me.

 

[WhoaDomain.com]

wow, what an admission.

So you are like a mosquito?

Admission to what? I had a post about this already a while back. Nothing new here. What did I admit?

Basically I handed over my VerizonVR.com and then lawyer asked in essence "what else you got?" I have a feeling they did not even know about vz5g.com. wasn't on his radar yet so I volunteered giving it up. That's why I ask if I should have? They didn't request it. I volunteered. Maybe they didn't ask because they felt it was something they couldn't get from me? I mean I'm sure they have inspected my domain list prior to.

 

[ResoluteDomains]

Verizon keyword ok take those but since there are so many VZ TM's is it really wrong to wonder? Those other TM's prove there are many uses for VZ. Doesn't or no?

There is absolutely never any reason at all to register a TM name.

 

[lambo.com]

Admission to what? I had a post about this already a while back. Nothing new here. What did I admit?

I'm that guy that registers TM domains