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There are many, many discussions and warnings all over the internet about securenamesale.com in association with various appraisal scams. I too have had a problem with them, but for me it was the purchase of their domain appraisal calculator "Smart Domain Appraiser 4.1".

It didn't take me long using it to figure out that the numbers it was generating were bogus. For example, it gave me the following appraisals:

business.com: $7,308
aaaaaaa.com: $7,308
@*(&sdklfj dsfk .com: $7,308

In fact, any domain name over six characters always appraises at $7,308, even if it isn't a valid domain name.

Then, when you click the box to add points for it being an english word, it drops down to $5,000, no matter what domain name you enter. Clearly, the calculator is completely bogus, and just spits out simple calculations that have little to do with the actual value of your domain name.

Here are some screenshots:

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What amazes me is that even though securenamesale is widely associated with scams (see http://www.google.com/search?q=secu...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a), they still have not been shut down so that people such as myself still become victims to scams such as these.

In fact, I ran across this software in relation to the e-mail I got from "Joseph Huberman" asking about my domains. I refused to get the appraisals he wanted but I thought the software would be interesting to learn more about domain values.

In my communication with both "Joseph Huberman" from BON-Tech Services and "Andrew Gordon" from securenamesale.com, it was clear I was receiving e-mails from the same person. A simple look at the e-mail headers shows that they are both being sent from the same computer.

From Joseph Huberman:
Received: from diamondoji4lze (ppp130-9.dialup.mtu-net.ru [62.118.130.9])

From Andrew Gordon:
Received: from diamondoji4lze ([213.140.225.228])
by imta02a2.registeredsite.com with ESMTP

Although these two companies show different Russian IP addresses, the computer name the mail was sent from is right there in the headers. IT IS THE SAME COMPUTER! Furthermore, the time zone match in both e-mails and the outlook versions match in both e-mails.

Furthermore, if you do a google search for diamondoji4lze you will see that the IP address used by Andrew Gordon was also used in the past by the scammer.

Securenamesale.com tries to pretend that it is just a few bad affiliates doing the scamming, but they are the same person! What is kind of funny is that even presented with this, the scammer still vehemently denies he is doing anything wrong and maintains the dual personas.

So anyone else out there who had become victim to this, please contact the following to complain so we can shut this site down:

[email protected]
http://emetrix.com/cs/webform.asp
http://corporate.digitalriver.com/s...ntact/subSectionName.contactUs/page.contactUs
http://www.ic3.gov/complaint/
https://odr.bbb.org/odrweb/public/GetStarted.aspx

Here are some other references:
http://www.google.com/search?q="You...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
http://www.google.com/search?q="And...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
 
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bbakk,

Welcome to NamePros. :wave:

Thanks for taking the time to share this info with the members. :tu:

Peace,
Cyberian
 
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Wow! Thanks so much for this, I can see you took the time to really look into this. Best of luck!
 
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These people are scum... I hope they bite the dust.
 
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Hadn't realized GoDaddy was involved in this (Or perhaps I had forgotten...?).

Somewhat ironic that they caved so quickly on the insecure.org issue, yet this stays up with impunity?

http://whois.domaintools.com/securenamesale.com

-Allan
 
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IAmAllanShore said:
Hadn't realized GoDaddy was involved in this (Or perhaps I had forgotten...?).

Somewhat ironic that they caved so quickly on the insecure.org issue, yet this stays up with impunity?

http://whois.domaintools.com/securenamesale.com

-Allan
Exactly, if enough people complain maybe they will finally take notice.

My contribution:
https://www.godaddy.com/gdshop/spamreport/spamreport.asp?app_hdr=&ci=9077
Hello,

I am writing to you concerning securenamesale.com aka allfordomains.com.
The domain is registered at Godaddy.

The people hiding behind these names operate a scheme known as the domain appraisal scam. I am sure you are familiar with that type of scam but here is a link that explains the whole thing: http://www.domainappraisalscam.com/.

In a nutshell these crooks will send tons of E-mails to domain owners (using the the whois db) and pretend they are interested in buying domains.
The trick is to lure domain owners into ordering a paid appraisal from one of their partners in crime, and the crooks then disappear... they just want to sell bogus appraisals.

It is my understanding that your Organization is tough on spam/scam issues.
I am surprised that no action has been taken so far against that domain.
Securenamesale.com and allfordomains.com are names that are well-known within the domaining community.
I do hope that Godaddy will do the right thing and freeze that domain !

Kind regards,
Kate
 
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YaY! Kate,

I brought this up with my rep this morning and she said basicly if enough people eMail Bob "maybe" some action would take place.

Cy
 
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Update....

Just an update on this, I tracked down Emetrix, their credit card processor and it turns out their office is just a few minutes away from me. I went down their and talked to them and showed them what I had come up with.

Their position was that they have thousands of products and they get complaints all the time from dissatisfied customers. However, after looking at the evidence they could see this was clearly an attempt to defraud customers. They cancelled the account. The guy tried setting up a new account and they cancelled that one too.

One thing I learned from talking to Emetrix was that they really need enough complaints and enough of the right type of complaints to shut down things like this. Perhaps that is a lesson that godaddy learned from the insecure.org thing and they are much more careful not to make the same mistake again.


Bill
 
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Well Done!!!! Rep up'd!

Cy
 
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bbakk said:
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They cancelled the account. The guy tried setting up a new account and they cancelled that one too.
Very nice job :tu:
http://www.emetrix.com/unavailable.asp?DID=126346316 :bingo:
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The offer you are trying to view is not currently available.

ยฉ 2000 - 2007 Emetrix. All rights reserved. Legal | Privacy | DMCA Notice
Now I don't think we are done with them yet. Wouldn't suprise me that they resurface once they found another provider.
bbakk said:
Perhaps that is a lesson that godaddy learned from the insecure.org thing and they are much more careful not to make the same mistake again.
I guess so. Can't blame them but it so frustrating as the scam has been around for a long time...


PS: having fun with the scammers did you see this: http://www.webnamesolution.com/hesk/index.php?a=add :hehe:
 
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No kidding!
You are now the best member we've ever had with only 4 posts ;)

Great work :tu:

-Allan :gl:


bbakk said:
Just an update on this, I tracked down Emetrix, their credit card processor and it turns out their office is just a few minutes away from me. I went down their and talked to them and showed them what I had come up with.

Their position was that they have thousands of products and they get complaints all the time from dissatisfied customers. However, after looking at the evidence they could see this was clearly an attempt to defraud customers. They cancelled the account. The guy tried setting up a new account and they cancelled that one too.

One thing I learned from talking to Emetrix was that they really need enough complaints and enough of the right type of complaints to shut down things like this. Perhaps that is a lesson that godaddy learned from the insecure.org thing and they are much more careful not to make the same mistake again.


Bill
 
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This is great guys, I really hope we can knock these sites off the web. What this guy dont understand is that his scam has been exposed and will continue to be exposed for a long time. I will be sending my emails.

THANKS BBAKK YOURE GREAT!!!
 
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