discuss Meaning.....com, .net, .org, .today, .live

[ThatNameGuy]

Even at 70 years old of age, I despise it when people say, "that's the way we've always done it". I'm a contrarian at heart, and I've always believed there's a better way. I bet if you asked 100 non domainers what .com stands for today, maybe one could tell you it stands for "commercial". At least with .net most would guess it stands for "internet", and .org stands for "organization"

This is why I believe some of the new TLD extensions like .today and .live will be successful. The words today and live are what most everyone would agree are "action words". To further make my point, if the internet started today which of these extensions would you click;

sex.com
sex.net
sex.org
sex.today
sex.live

Heck, if I didn't know better, I may have thought .com stood for communism

Anyone besides this 'ol DomainDrunk get it!

Bulloney

ps. attn. NamePros moderator...please leave this post for where it was intended "General Domain Discussion" Thank you.

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[Kuffy]

Come on guys, everybody knows that COM means"collecting other's money".

 

[Silentptnr]

When I say xyzname.live to people, they say "you mean xyznamedotlivedotcom?" Still a ways to go before people generally realize there are more than just the legacy extensions.

Many people think every domain name must end in .com. They add .com to any name and extension. If I say "My website is at go.pe.org", many people hear me say "My website is at go.pe.org.com".

Go figure!

 

[eurorealtor]

I bet if you asked 100 non domainers what .com stands for today, maybe one could tell you it stands for "commercial". At least with .net most would guess it stands for "internet", and .org stands for "organization";

Look at .co (not too long ago) many "Domainers" tried to make it work as Company, and few end users tried it the hard way (ex. overstock - o.co), but it failed IMO. Whoever build the business on .co, they will always loose traffic over the .com version, because whatever .com means, "non domainers" always knows that .com belong in the end of a keyword/sentence. (at least in the US)

New gTLD?
In 2006 Eurid introduced .eu (big expectation), there was a few xxx,xxx EUR sales right away (ex. apartments .eu / Hotels .eu / shopping .eu) but everyone learned people in the EU prefer their own ccTLD, in few cases .net / .org / .com even .info.

 

[Bean]

So if Sex.com sold for 13M, what do you think Sex.Life, Sex.Live or Sex.Today should sell for?

As much as I like the idea of new gTLD's, I don't think they'll ever be able to match the power of .com.

1) .com achieved its dominance at a time when there were only a handful of extensions to choose from. These days with 100's of extensions around, it's highly unlikely that any single extension will be able to rise that high above the rest.

2) The greatest strength of new gTLDs also happens to be their greatest weakness. What makes the new gTLDs special is the fact that they are truly unique. For example, there can only be 1 live.sex domain. This domain points to a very specific construct with a precision and efficiency that no other extension can match. In 'livesex.com', for instance, there are 3 unneeded characters plus you have to mentally separate the words 'live' and 'sex' when reading the name. 'livesex' doesn't look as clean as 'live sex'.
The downside of high precision extensions is that while a few keywords will fit perfectly, the vast majority won't. Of course that's how the new extensions were intended. However this means that the number of users of most new gTLD will always be small compared to something like .com or .net.
How does that affect the price? People feel more comfortable when they're part of bigger groups rather than smaller ones. There is also a stronger sense of belonging when you can relate to the rest of the group on a more equal term.
.com being generic means that whenever a .com sells, regardless of the name, everyone in the .com group shares the excitement to some degree and gains confidence about the potential of their own .coms. This subtle and continuous build up of energy/hype within the original generic TLDs spheres is what gives them their power.
When live.sex sells, very few owners of .sex can tap into the energy of the sale and even then the sense of empowerment is negligible because live.sex is a combination of 2 unique words without any generic overseer.

Sorry guys, brain diarrhea I'll stop here or else I'll just go on and on

 

[BaileyUK]

It's both Likeable and entertaining to read your posts my friend. And I totally understand your enthusiasm. it's pretty much where we all started-out. ie, What's left on the shelf for me to work with (it was No different from my start in 1999) Trust me the best stuff in .com had long gone even then. I agree there will always be new markets and maybe you will see some of your domains come into fruition - but it is probably going to be a long wait.

my logic back in 1999/2000 was well seeing all the com's are gone surely the .NET must gain traction, it did for a while but didn't hold out for more than a few years. Then I found I could explore new technologies and try to pre-guess the words/terms that would gain popularity and traction and Yep, I found my niche back in the world of dot com.

Now obviously I had to wait many years for my "discoverable" words to become mainstream and thankfully a good many have. I don't see a lot of difference in your game-plan but, those 'full-price' renewals when they come around year after year are going to hurt

 

[Kate]

Something to consider is the issue of credibility: I have noticed that blogs, news outlets, PR sites etc praising new extensions are usually using .com domains and just running advertorials. So readers are not impressed overall. They may think nTLDs are cool but not for them.

Now imagine, as a domainer/marketer/whatever, you are going to be an evangelist for new extensions and approach end users. There is always some expectations that people lead by example. End users will look at your profile, your track record, your businesses and they will notice they are all on .com domains, so why would they act on somebody's advice, who wouldn't take his own medicine ?

 

[BaileyUK]

Anyone besides this 'ol DomainDrunk get it!

We all get it, You just need to convince the millions of businesses that use the internet to promote their products and services. Most old hands know exactly what it feels like to chance their arm with new extensions.

I agree certain new extensions look and read great with the right connected word or phrase. But I can't see how your enthusiasm is going to rewrite all the historical lessons learnt.....

Of course 'sex.live' or 'cash.today' have their value along with a few hundred others, Now try doing that with all the names of business, products and services out there. Nope, it's a very limited market.

Limited Market = Limited enthusiasm, No matter how hard you try

 

[Recons.Com]

.com is hard to beat even if it started at the same time with others.

1. It is shorter than your examples and 1 extra letter makes difference between the value of LL.com vs LLL.com, which is 20-50 times

2. It is visually pleasing (compare .com to .xyz), is pronounceable (compare to xyz or gdn) and rolls off your tongue really nicely

3. It is not confusingly similar to another name of similar status (.cam is not known, .co is less preferred/desired cctld). Compare .live - .life or some others which have both singular and plural

4. it is meaningful (commercial, common, communications, company etc.)

But the biggest reason why .com will always be .com is because it has become a global DEFAULT.

Example: my wife saw FB posting where they asked to email them at name@company and forgot the extension. Now guess which extension she tried in the browser and then emailed to.

The only competitor .com has is a) the respective cctld within some countries; b) .org for non-profits

 

[Steven McEvoy]

Anyone besides this 'ol DomainDrunk get it!

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Looks like you just started you’re own domain business. I guess we will be seeing a blog here soon.

 

[ThatNameGuy]

As much as I like the idea of new gTLD's, I don't think they'll ever be able to match the power of .com.

1) .com achieved its dominance at a time when there were only a handful of extensions to choose from. These days with 100's of extensions around, it's highly unlikely that any single extension will be able to rise that high above the rest.

2) The greatest strength of new gTLDs also happens to be their greatest weakness. What makes the new gTLDs special is the fact that they are truly unique. For example, there can only be 1 live.sex domain. This domain points to a very specific construct with a precision and efficiency that no other extension can match. In 'livesex.com', for instance, there are 3 unneeded characters plus you have to mentally separate the words 'live' and 'sex' when reading the name. 'livesex' doesn't look as clean as 'live sex'.
The downside of high precision extensions is that while a few keywords will fit perfectly, the vast majority won't. Of course that's how the new extensions were intended. However this means that the number of users of most new gTLD will always be small compared to something like .com or .net.
How does that affect the price? People feel more comfortable when they're part of bigger groups rather than smaller ones. There is also a stronger sense of belonging when you can relate to the rest of the group on a more equal term.
.com being generic means that whenever a .com sells, regardless of the name, everyone in the .com group shares the excitement to some degree and gains confidence about the potential of their own .coms. This subtle and continuous build up of energy/hype within the original generic TLDs spheres is what gives them their power.
When live.sex sells, very few owners of .sex can tap into the energy of the sale and even then the sense of empowerment is negligible because live.sex is a combination of 2 unique words without any generic overseer.

Sorry guys, brain diarrhea I'll stop here or else I'll just go on and on

Bean said, "As much as I like the idea of new gTLD's, I don't think they'll ever be able to match the power of .com."....I totally agree.....but what I don't agree with is your statement, "while a few key words will fit perfectly, the vast majority won't." I happen to have accumulated a few hundred "key words" that fit "perfectly" with my extensions, imho. Ex. Custody.today, AquaSports.live and Weigh.today. I have a few hundred like these, and their equivelant .coms appraise for 10K plus. I bought most of these for under $5, so unless you think they're worth just 1/2000 or 2 tenths of 1% of the .coms, you really don't understand where I'm coming from.

 

[Amar D]

One of the very first Top-Level Domains (TLD) established in January 1985, .com has since grown to become the world's most popular TLD. Dozens of other TLDs are now available, but no matter how many new extensions may be added, everyone agrees — .com is still the “Rodeo Drive of the Web.”

 

[Recons.Com]

You said, "couldn't get their own .com, how do they do the rest of their business?" Excuse me? Never thought of that for one minute, and I've been accessing the internet for 30 years. And Sex.Live doesn't make an instant first impression? I guess if you're a Eunuch

1. You should never assume that you just by yourself represent the whole market. You never thought, but the most important client for a business might.

2. Even if a decent/great keyword .gtld won't hurt you, it will most probably not impress the way .com would. Imagine, you tell your prospective partner that you want to cooperate with them on your project at mortgage.com or you are raising funding for your project at love.com etc.

3. We are generalizing here. No one denies that certain keywords might make a great combo. Sometimes it is not even a combo, it is a hack. Sex.Live is a great domain, but compare it to sex.com. But if you have your company name as "Word+Word", the domain everyone is expecting and getting impressed by would be WordWord.com and not WordWord.Live. And Word.Word might be found by people witty and fun, but in the end your business needs more than that in most of the cases.

Generally, I would only agree to build a business on gtld only if I owned also word+gtld.com as well.

 

[Mifuru]

COM its communism

 

[New.Life]

sex.com
sex.net
sex.org
sex.today
sex.live

sex.life

 

[New.Life]

So if Sex.com sold for 13M, what do you think Sex.Life, Sex.Live or Sex.Today should sell for?

sex.live - was already sold for $ 160,000 USD

sex.life - NOT for Sale.

 

[New.Life]

3. It is not confusingly similar to another name of similar status (.cam is not known, .co is less preferred/desired cctld). Compare .live - .life or some others which have both singular and plural

sex.life and sex.live

- It's the same confusingly similar as sexlife.com and sexlive.com


I don't mind exchanging traffic with a confusingly similar domain like mine.

 

[Mifuru]

sex.life

you have active sex life?

 

[Mifuru]

Just started a New Life

Therefore, my most favorite domain is New.Life

i checked your website. my opinion - make.cash good for trading at
BTC/LTC/ETH (and best )

 

[New.Life]

i checked your website. my opinion - make.cash good for trading at
BTC/LTC/ETH (and best )

Thanks, yes, but this is not a cheap domain.

I also have a few offers for Info.Cash from companies, Startups, related to cryptocurrency.

 

[JB Lions]

Even at 70 years old of age, I despise it when people say, "that's the way we've always done it". I'm a contrarian at heart, and I've always believed there's a better way. I bet if you asked 100 non domainers what .com stands for today, maybe one could tell you it stands for "commercial". At least with .net most would guess it stands for "internet", and .org stands for "organization"

This is why I believe some of the new TLD extensions like .today and .live will be successful. The words today and live are what most everyone would agree are "action words". To further make my point, if the internet started today which of these extensions would you click;

sex.com
sex.net
sex.org
sex.today
sex.live

Heck, if I didn't know better, I may have thought .com stood for communism

Anyone besides this 'ol DomainDrunk get it!

Bulloney

ps. attn. NamePros moderator...please leave this post for where it was intended "General Domain Discussion" Thank you.

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You're not the first person to invest in new gtlds to offer up some fantasy scenario, what if the internet started today. It didn't. Then the whole ask 100 non-domainers what it stands for, doesn't matter. Probably most, if not all would recognize the extension. Ask those same 100 about any of these new ones and watch the confused looks you'll see on their faces.

 

[ThatNameGuy]

You're not the first person to invest in new gtlds to offer up some fantasy scenario, what if the internet started today. It didn't. Then the whole ask 100 non-domainers what it stands for, doesn't matter. Probably most, if not all would recognize the extension. Ask those same 100 about any of these new ones and watch the confused looks you'll see on their faces.

My point exactly....even you're confused. "Probably most, if not all would recognize the extension", then you say, "Ask those same 100 about any of these new ones and watch the confused looks you'll see on their faces".And therein lies the opportunity.today.....note that opportunity.com appraises for >$25,000. Guess what I paid for it?

 

[ThatNameGuy]

Look at .co (not too long ago) many "Domainers" tried to make it work as Company, and few end users tried it the hard way (ex. overstock - o.co), but it failed IMO. Whoever build the business on .co, they will always loose traffic over the .com version, because whatever .com means, "non domainers" always knows that .com belong in the end of a keyword/sentence. (at least in the US)

New gTLD?
In 2006 Eurid introduced .eu (big expectation), there was a few xxx,xxx EUR sales right away (ex. apartments .eu / Hotels .eu / shopping .eu) but everyone learned people in the EU prefer their own ccTLD, in few cases .net / .org / .com even .info.

I agree eurorealtor. I use to follow Overstock and it's controversial CEO Patrick Byrne. He's always been on the cutting edge of just about everything. In the case of .co, I'm sure he'd say he was just before his time.

 

[ThatNameGuy]

Look at .co (not too long ago) many "Domainers" tried to make it work as Company, and few end users tried it the hard way (ex. overstock - o.co), but it failed IMO. Whoever build the business on .co, they will always loose traffic over the .com version, because whatever .com means, "non domainers" always knows that .com belong in the end of a keyword/sentence. (at least in the US)

New gTLD?
In 2006 Eurid introduced .eu (big expectation), there was a few xxx,xxx EUR sales right away (ex. apartments .eu / Hotels .eu / shopping .eu) but everyone learned people in the EU prefer their own ccTLD, in few cases .net / .org / .com even .info.

eurorealtor...I want to thank you for mentioning Overstock. It's been a little over 10 years, but I was very involved in some controversial issues with regards to their accounting practices (i was on their side). As a result of your post, I will attempt to renew an old relationship with Patrick Byrne, Overstock's CEO. As a matter of fact, I see where Overstock and Patrick are in the process of turning itself into a Bitcoin Tech company as seen here; http://money.cnn.com/2017/12/18/news/companies/overstock-ico-ceo-byrne/index.html.

To renew my old relationship with Patrick Byrne, I just picked up the domain, RevolutionStarts.today. Just maybe Patrick will help me start the all new gTLD revolution. Thanks again.

Bulloney

 

[Silentptnr]

It's like this to me.....sort of.

.com = bitcoin
.net = litecoin
.org = ether
ngTLDs = all other alt-coins

And so on. Other alt-coins/ngTLDs might climb to the value of Bitcoin/.com, but nobody really knows with absolute certainty.

 

[Recons.Com]

Look at .co (not too long ago) many "Domainers" tried to make it work as Company, and few end users tried it the hard way (ex. overstock - o.co), but it failed IMO. Whoever build the business on .co, they will always loose traffic over the .com version, because whatever .com means, "non domainers" always knows that .com belong in the end of a keyword/sentence. (at least in the US)

New gTLD?
In 2006 Eurid introduced .eu (big expectation), there was a few xxx,xxx EUR sales right away (ex. apartments .eu / Hotels .eu / shopping .eu) but everyone learned people in the EU prefer their own ccTLD, in few cases .net / .org / .com even .info.

Actually leaking traffic is not as bad of a problem, as "leaking reputation".

From my observation, the leak, especially with browsers now actively suggesting a site name as you type, is not that much, probably in 0.01% to 0.5% of traffic.

But, the bigger problem is that a) some of your clients/counterparts automatically make some unwanted conclusions (couldn't get their own .com, how do they do the rest of their business?); b) some of your clients will forget the extension you were at (was it .co, was it .net, was it ....)

.com of a great acronym, word, combo etc. gives instant first impression that is very important.