Looks like front running again ....

[namenut]

OK ... looks like this is another upsetting case of front running big time. A name that was in my cart at godaddy and is now in eNom's possession even though the name shows expired on NOV 4 08.

Literally I left the name (with others) in my cart over night. This morning its gone! "registrar" is enom.

Redemption period for 72 days? Come on ..... This is ridiculous. While the name is still in my shopping cart?

This is such bad business. What a bad taste it leaves to know our registrars are scanning our searches and jumping on names they think we want. Or that they find value in. To hell with the legality of it .... the moral compass is spinning out of control.

I think registrars that are going to alloud to do this should have to reflect the period they have kidnapped the name for. Let the whois reflect the practice so we can see which registrars are doing it.

Shame on you eNom!


nn

 

[-Adam-]

Sounds like a similar tactic GD is well known for.

 

[gazzip]

This is such bad business. .... the moral compass is spinning out of control.

It really is bad business - bad enough when it happens to domainers but imagine how an actual enduser searching for his company name would feel

...not good :td:



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[HBK216]

I am in no way defending their tactics. However I truly believe that if you are serious about doing business in this industry, you have to adapt & play the game the way the big fish do. If you have a name that you are interested in, do not add it to your cart unless you are ready to purchase at that very instant! The way these companies do business, it pays not to help them out. I will not add a name to my cart unless I have my card info ready to checkout.

 

[namenut]

I am in no way defending their tactics. However I truly believe that if you are serious about doing business in this industry, you have to adapt & play the game the way the big fish do. If you have a name that you are interested in, do not add it to your cart unless you are ready to purchase at that very instant! The way these companies do business, it pays not to help them out. I will not add a name to my cart unless I have my card info ready to checkout.

I understand your point ... but we are talking about a matter of 5 to 6 hours.
By your logic these registrars could grab the name the instant you place it in your cart.
Or how about the time it take s to search a few names? You think we should "bend" to accept this?

I dunno .... "I" might think a dentist looking into your mouth should tell you about a small issue
rather than waiting for a more proffitable problem. "You" ..... ?

It really is bad business - bad enough when it happens to domainers but imagine how an actual enduser searching for his company name would feel

...not good

Well said .... Here I'm crying about a speculation buy when a real end user would never know about the industry practice. Nice .... You wonder why our industry gets a bad rep.

Sounds like a similar tactic GD is well known for.

Absolutely right ... and I know better. The wifie ....ah .... distracted me last night.
Thus the halt in proceedure.

nn

 

[HBK216]

I understand your point ... but we are talking about a matter of 5 to 6 hours.
By your logic these registrars could grab the name the instant you place it in your cart.
Or how about the time it take s to search a few names? You think we should "bend" to accept this?

I dunno .... "I" might think a dentist looking into your mouth should tell you about a small issue
rather than waiting for a more proffitable problem. "You" ..... ?



Well said .... Here I'm crying about a speculation buy when a real end user would never know about the industry practice. Nice .... You wonder why our industry gets a bad rep.



Absolutely right ... and I know better. The wifie ....ah .... distracted me last night.
Thus the halt in proceedure.

nn

I understand your frustration. However I am a realist & realize no sort of governing body is willing to put an end to these shady practices. So until something is done, I believe you have to adapt to how these people play & go from there.

Believe me, I would love to see an end to this practice. I am afraid to search for names because of what happens. So when I do, I am extra careful & when I want to pounce, I do.

 

[Domainate.com]

I'm going to have to agree with HBK. You even know the technical term for what they're doing so you know full well that it goes on - why would you ever leave a name in your cart for even 1 hour let alone overnight? Look, we ALL want it to go away, that's for sure, but look at it another way - if you know a certain area of your city/neighborhood is a "bad" area where you could get robbed or shot but you had to go there for a quick errand, would you go there and sit around for 6 hours? There's simply no need to take unnecessary chances by leaving names in your cart. The big registrars are all a bunch of bullies, and it would be nice if this industry got cleaned up, but until there's enough organization to make that happen, you don't giftwrap them your lunch. :P

 

[DomainNameWire]

I'm confused. Are you suggesting that GoDaddy sold the information to eNom?

 

[cache]

even if you checked out the domain in your cart instead of waiting, you may still get an error message. You can not guarantee until you receive the confirmation. So it is possible it was not available at that time. What is the whois info says? When was it created or updated?

 

[Kate]

Domain availability at gd is not always accurate/real time. Maybe the domain was actually not available in the first place.
What does the whois say ?

 

[lzy]

Isn't it long known that GD searches are already monitored by many people? :o

 

[Name Trader]

Since you lost the domain. What was it? Also. I agree with NameTrader. If it was already in your cart, how much longer would it have taken to checkout? 10 seconds? Your wife couldn't wait that long? To me. It sounds plain stupid to leave the domain in your shopping cart. I don't think GoDaddy had anything to do with this. It's those damned sold searches by the registrar. Which is why, when you want a name you have to register it immediately.

 

[DomainTalker]

If we have to play the game, then play it...


If I'm searching for, say, a .Com, at GoDaddy.....I disguise it. I select any other extension (say, .info), then enter the term....It'll show not only if the .info (or whatever) is available, but whether the .Com is, too...

That way, the 'snoopers' don't know I'm really interested in the .Com, not the .info - and, they can 'front run' the .info (which they think I'm interested in) all they like....Lol.


If the .Com - which I do want - is free, then I can register it there and then......Or, I can come back tomorrow, if I like - But, in the meantime, no 'snoopers' have been tipped off someone is interested in the .Com of the term.


Same goes for any extension you may be searching...

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[Domainate.com]

If we have to play the game, then play it...


If I'm searching for, say, a .Com, at GoDaddy.....I disguise it. I select any other extension (say, .info), then enter the term....It'll show not only if the .info (or whatever) is available, but whether the .Com is, too...

I generally only bulk search the rare occasions I do search at GD, but that's a good idea I never thought about for those that do religiously look domains up at GD.

 

[Dean]

What? They legally acquired a domain in order to try make money off it? How dare they!

 

[DotWeekly]

Domain availability at gd is not always accurate/real time. Maybe the domain was actually not available in the first place.
What does the whois say ?

I agree with this 100% !

Godaddy is known for showing domain names available when they really are not. Since you said the domain is in redemption period, that tells me the domain was never available when you first searched it.

The domain would have to go from Active, to Expired and then Redemption...

 

[gazzip]

I agree with this 100% !

Godaddy is known for showing domain names available when they really are not. ..

True, I remember checking Beer.info at Godaddy a few years ago...I got a little excited for a split second because it showed as available

.....needless to say it was long gone

whois.sc shows it was first registered in 2001 .... but expires 2007-07-26 - even though it is still registered.....another one that seems to be a tad unusual


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[seven]

If we have to play the game, then play it...


If I'm searching for, say, a .Com, at GoDaddy.....I disguise it. I select any other extension (say, .info), then enter the term....It'll show not only if the .info (or whatever) is available, but whether the .Com is, too...

That way, the 'snoopers' don't know I'm really interested in the .Com, not the .info - and, they can 'front run' the .info (which they think I'm interested in) all they like....Lol.


If the .Com - which I do want - is free, then I can register it there and then......Or, I can come back tomorrow, if I like - But, in the meantime, no 'snoopers' have been tipped off someone is interested in the .Com of the term.


Same goes for any extension you may be searching...

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+1

This is what I do when I search at Godaddy. I've moved to Namecheap for multi-extension searches. Also, someone on here told me iwhois doesn't scan so I go there for straight .com searches.

We all know the game, but I'm still sorry that the rug was/may have been taken out from under you. Whether a registrar or someone else has beat me to the punch, my heart always sinks when this happens. Hopefully its released back into the pool.

 

[Domainate.com]

I agree with this 100% !

Godaddy is known for showing domain names available when they really are not. Since you said the domain is in redemption period, that tells me the domain was never available when you first searched it.

The domain would have to go from Active, to Expired and then Redemption...

That's true, I've had it happen to me too.

 

[namenut]

I'm going to have to agree with HBK. You even know the technical term for what they're doing so you know full well that it goes on - why would you ever leave a name in your cart for even 1 hour let alone overnight? Look, we ALL want it to go away, that's for sure, but look at it another way - if you know a certain area of your city/neighborhood is a "bad" area where you could get robbed or shot but you had to go there for a quick errand, would you go there and sit around for 6 hours? There's simply no need to take unnecessary chances by leaving names in your cart. The big registrars are all a bunch of bullies, and it would be nice if this industry got cleaned up, but until there's enough organization to make that happen, you don't giftwrap them your lunch. :P

You are correct .... I know better.

Domain availability at gd is not always accurate/real time. Maybe the domain was actually not available in the first place.
What does the whois say ?

I agree. I did not check the whois pryor to the purchase.

Since you lost the domain. What was it? Also. I agree with NameTrader. If it was already in your cart, how much longer would it have taken to checkout? 10 seconds? Your wife couldn't wait that long? To me. It sounds plain stupid to leave the domain in your shopping cart. I don't think GoDaddy had anything to do with this. It's those damned sold searches by the registrar. Which is why, when you want a name you have to register it immediately.

I would like to wait about a week and see if it was search tasted and dropped in the next few days. If not I will
post the name. And as for making the wife wait an additional 10 seconds ...... I'll run that past her next time. LOL
But it was a little more subtle than that.

If we have to play the game, then play it...


If I'm searching for, say, a .Com, at GoDaddy.....I disguise it. I select any other extension (say, .info), then enter the term....It'll show not only if the .info (or whatever) is available, but whether the .Com is, too...

That way, the 'snoopers' don't know I'm really interested in the .Com, not the .info - and, they can 'front run' the .info (which they think I'm interested in) all they like....Lol.


If the .Com - which I do want - is free, then I can register it there and then......Or, I can come back tomorrow, if I like - But, in the meantime, no 'snoopers' have been tipped off someone is interested in the .Com of the term.


Same goes for any extension you may be searching...

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This is a very good idea but once I have selected the []com and placed into my cart the deception is over.

I agree with this 100% !

Godaddy is known for showing domain names available when they really are not. Since you said the domain is in redemption period, that tells me the domain was never available when you first searched it.

The domain would have to go from Active, to Expired and then Redemption...

This is my understand too Yof.... but the expiration date was 70+ days past. Would you agree that if it drops in the next few days it was being search tasted? How does the whois reflect when a registrar is tasting a name? What is the status in whois at that point?


Thanks every one for the feedback ..... this serves to help others not so aware of the prcatice. And I'm agreeing with most of you (accept Stub and the 10 seconds) in that I knew better.