LLLL.com evaluation thread

[italiandragon]

While the last LLLL.com are taken (you can check www.dyyo.com to know how many are left) , I really feel the need to have a sort of 4L price guide on the same sort of the 3L/ 3 chars price guide.

I asked to people to create a database of LLLL.com sales but it seems no one can do it so I`m going to create it myself as much as I can on just a forum thread. If I knew how to create a database I was doing it.

Keep in mind that this thread is still in the early stage and I`ll update it as much as I can. I will update this first post so it will be easier for everyone to know what`s going on in the LLLL.com aftermarket. It is going to take me a lot of my spare time but I hope that eventually soon , someone will create a software that will run by itself Till then , let`s hope I can have time!

So, just for the newbies , let`s see what we already know about the 3 chars.com price guide:

"The quality of the letter composition can play a significant role in determining 3-letter valuations. General concensus states that the letters A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T are considered premium letters. Other lesser high quality letters include: J, K, U, V, W. Lower quality letters include: Q, X, Y, Z. Domains selling for less than the above figures would represent a strong buy in today's market. Premium letter only domains tend to fetch a 500% to 600% premium (or more) over the Minimum Wholesale Price. Mixed letter quality domains have valuations somewhere in the middle of these two extremes."


I think we could adjust the same rules to the LLLL.com

Let`s play a little bit with the letters to find out what are the minimun reseller prices as for now , end of September 2007 (NOTE: THIS FIRST THREAD IS CONSTANTLY UPDATED WITH THE NEW INFO HIGHLIGHTED IN RED)

Obviously we should analyse in this thread ONLY the NON pronunciable ones to consider ONLY the quality of letters, so not even a very well known acronym but only 4 random letters.

For the "other" LLLL.com sales and evaluations based on pronunciability , then you may find useful this other thread:

http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/358387-the-llll-com-sales-report-thread.html

I`ll start with my opinion but feel free to add yours so we can get to a sort of price guide.

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A LLLL.com including 2 or more of "Q, X, Y, Z" (as long as they are not 2 of the same) I`d say less no more than $10 since there are still 12,000 of them left.

EXAMPLE: GXZH.com (no more than $10)

There is one example of these ones right now on ebay, ending in less than 3 hours:

http://cgi.ebay.com/hzxv-com-Origin...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Obviously even with 2 "bad letters" , when they start to be pronunciable this is what happens:

ZAYM.com $201

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162205723&category0=&fvi=1

Double letters such as:

GXXH.com
ZZDC.com
FYYT.com
DRQQ.com

I`d appraise them at minimun $20-$30 depending on the letters. Double but not consecutives letters would just be below the above ones.


XSXT.com $20.50

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=170160241510&category0=&fvi=1



Triple bad letters such as:

QQQD.com
FZZZ.com
RXXX.com
YYYG.com

I`d appraise them at minimun $70-$100 depending on the letters.


Then we may analyse the ones with only 1 bad letter (always Q, X, Y, Z):

FGZS.com
EYDF.com
PXSE.com
TFQG.com

These kind of LLLL .com are still available so reg fee to $10 , must be for them.


UPDATED:

SOME AUCTIONS ON EBAY ARE GETTING ABOVE $10:


http://cgi.ebay.com/ZWTO-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/FGXR-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

UPDATE 13 OCTOBER: ON EBAY PRICES ARE CONSTANTLY ABOVE $10 FOR LLLL WITH JUST 1 BAD LETTER , SOMETIMES ABOVE $20 TOO.

ZATB.com $12.49

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=270170293855&category0=&fvi=1

RLYN.com $36

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200159375608&category0=&fvi=1


RBYK.com $29.99

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200163278990&category0=&fvi=1


HRHY.com $30.80

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162203800&category0=&fvi=1


YATG.com $23.95

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162885146&category0=&fvi=1


a double letter with 1 bad letter :

IIZP.com $42

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300161869692&category0=&fvi=1




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Then we have the ones which include the group "lesser high quality letters": J, K, U, V, W.

These ones have lately bought totally so the minimun reseller price must be above reg fee , let`s say $10 - $20 depending from the letters. Some people tend to include J, K and U in the premium letters. I`d definitely include the vowel U but I guess this is a personal point of view.
Even here at NP , LLLL including just the letter U tend to outperform this category:

FGUB.com $32 (October 2007)

http://www.namepros.com/domains-for-sale-auctions/383276-fgub-com-1-start-great-4letter.html

It may be also useful to consider that K and W were sold out earlier than J and V.



There is one example of these ones right now on ebay, ending in 3 hours:

http://cgi.ebay.com/UMGV-COM-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


UPDATE 25 OCTOBER:

Things are getting hotter (at the moment less than 7000 LLLL are left) and U and this category is quickly raising its reselling value on EBAY:

DPTU.com $54.51 now

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162512206&category0=&fvi=1


RWEO.com $78.00

http://cgi.ebay.com/RWEO-com-LLLL-4...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


The letter U and W obviously are not that bad

The letter V in Italian is very much used , while in China is not so a lot depends from your background.

J is not my favourite in this group (as in the Italian alphabet there is no J-K-W-X-Y ) but certainly is getting attention by someone else:

RCEJ.com $30

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=120172045546&category0=&fvi=1


Then we have 2 of the group J, K, U, V, W such as:

GJJA.com
FVVO.com
KKTR.com

I`d say $30 to $50 as they are all gone and the double letter will increase their rarity.


FNKK.com $52

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162204984&category0=&fvi=1

2 of them but not the same 2 (double) are less valuable:

http://cgi.ebay.com/VWTP-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

VDUZ.com $26

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=200159969339&category0=&fvi=1


WPEJ.com $23.15

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200163499690&category0=&fvi=1


With 3 of them , like :

GJJJ.com
FVVV.com
KKKT.com

I`d say $100 -$150

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Then we have the best of the best: ALL PREMIUM letters:


A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T



Names like CLFO.com or FGTR.com or ATFI.com are going to get $$$.

I can`t find any of these LLLL.com for less than $100 , sometimes not even $200 buy them.
So I`d say a really minimun of $100 to easily $200 each.
At places like Snapnames.com, the all premium letters even if they are non pronunciables , are going already for above $400 and the market is getting hotter day by day.

If the name appears to have 2 of a kind like:

SSFO.com or GBBT.com then we should be at minimun $200 to $300

3 of a kind such DDDF.com or TLLL.com will get over $300 to $500

SPECIALS​

Anything like this is an added value.

In my daily observation of LLLL.com sales I noticed that any of the following abbreviations and/or suffixes are more valuable:

- IT (Information Tecnology or Italy)

- MY

Examples:

IMYO.com $449

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=300158326938&category0=&fvi=1

BMMY.com $350

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18688&tracked=&partnerid=


HFMY.com $37.50

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162885558&category0=&fvi=1


- UK

UKIX.com ended on TDNAM.com @ $146

- DE

- US

- CA

- OZ (Australia)

- NZ (new Zealand)

- GO

- HI

Examples:

HIXV.com $59 (October 2007)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=120169750537&category0=&fvi=1

- OK

- KG

- CV (Curriculum Vitae)

- DR (Doctor)

- DJ

Examples:

DJBX.com $45 (October 2007)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=170158507650&category0=&fvi=1


And more that I`ll add as soon as I can think of them!

Also,some letters add value because of their very common use.

The letter E , I and O add value usually because can mean E-lectronic , I-nternet and O-nline.

Other nice letters are:

C for Corporation or Company , L for Limited , A for Association.

The best positions are usually in the first or in the 4th spot depending from the letter. For example E will be better in the first spot while L for Limited will be better in the 4th spot but all of these letters can add value.


Other special categories that attract a bonus are based on the numbers of vowels.
There are only 5 vowels so the LLLL.com with 4 vowels are extremely rare and even the ones with 3 vowels perform very well as their demand is high.

Some recent examples:

OEOV.com $56

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=110183807446&category0=&fvi=1


EOAJ.com $52

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=110183814160&category0=&fvi=1

CVCV & VCVC​

Let`s start from the TOP this time:

CVCV.com

all premium letters Like BIFE.com or DAGO.com

minimun......well here it is hard since prices increase quickly ....maybe $1,500 ?


CVCV.com with 1 bad letter like BIZE or DAQO.com about $800

CVCV.com with 1 bad and 1 average letters like NUQE.com or VAXO.com about $500

CVCV.com with 1 bad and 2 average letters like WUQA.com or ZOVU.com

about $300

It was right WUQA.com that made me realize that I forgot the 1 bad + 2 average ones. People reported that WUQA.com ended on TDNAM.com at $315 (end of October)

CVCV.com with 2 bad letters like QEZI.com or ZIXO.com about $400

CVCV.com with 2 bad letters and 1 average letter like QUZI.com or ZUXO.com about $300

CVCV.com with 2 bad and 2 average letters (MUST BE DOUBLE U) like QUZU.com or ZUXU.com about 300



Now let`s see the VCVC.com

all premium letters Like IFEB.com or AGOC.com about $1,000 ?

VCVC.com with 1 bad letter like IZEB or AQOC.com about $500

VCVC.com with 1 bad and 1 average letters like OZUD.com or AXUF.com about $300 - $350 (I sold OZUD.com on SEDO in August for $330)

VCVC.com with 2 bad letters like AXEZ.com or IQOX.com about $200

VCVC.com with 2 bad letters and 1 average letter like UXEZ.com or UXOQ.com about $100

VCVC.com with 2 bad and 2 average letters (MUST BE DOUBLE U) like UZUQ.com or UXUZ.com about 100



I`m currently taking input on the CVCV and the VCVC where Y is the last vowel.

The first recent example is this one:

OGYZ.com $57.99

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200157925898&category0=&fvi=1


I leave the CVVC and VCCV to others as I did not have much experience with them yet.


SALES OF RANDOM (NON PRONUNCIABLE) LLLL.COM AT OTHER VENUES:

SEDO.com​

Interesting Sedo Auctions show many crappy LLLL.com with bids

UPDATE: CHECK THE AUCTIONS BELOW THAT ARE NOW ALL ENDED....PRICES ARE GETTING SHOCKING!

zekh.com $120

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18336&tracked=&partnerid=

zeow.com $300

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18360&tracked=&partnerid=

ucnk.com $120

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18468&tracked=&partnerid=

ahlq.com $243

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18528&tracked=&partnerid=


hobf.com 100 Eur= $140

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18576&tracked=&partnerid=


jvbb.com 100 Eur=$140

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18693&tracked=&partnerid=

yvze.com 70 Euros=$105

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18730&tracked=&partnerid=


Are we already starting to see a minimun price of $100 for each LLLL.com ?


Please share your opinions on the one of the hottest niches of the domain market

Thank you

 

[DomainMagnate]

Pred, I'd take it, sounds good.
Or ask for more if you feel they can stretch it :D

 

[vlad74]

Hi Guys,

i have had an offer of $300 for DPUD.com
should i take?

also a mate has ZLUZ.com
i said it is very nice, but would check on value as pretty pronouncable and brandable imho

be grateful for analysis

cheers

if you need money, go for it. if not, ask for what is you think reasonable (i.e. $500, $2000 whatever). :imho:

 

[Alex]

I need some advice from you guys to know what is pronounceable and what not, out of these. What is clearly pronounceable (if any), and what is not at all:

Givb
Havg
Jolv
Oxhe
Sfuh
Iwih
Ubew
Udiw

Thanks.

 

[DomainMagnate]

ubiw and udiw is pronounceable, others I'm not sure, probably not

 

[dag]

Just got PYHU.com for $160 -- good deal? Counts as a CVCV, after all, right?

 

[Travis]

I need some advice from you guys to know what is pronounceable and what not, out of these. What is clearly pronounceable (if any), and what is not at all:

Givb
Havg
Jolv
Oxhe
Sfuh
Iwih
Ubew
Udiw

Thanks.

All are kind of pronouncable, but not really. I personally like Jolv the best.

 

[Shasta]

I need some advice from you guys to know what is pronounceable and what not, out of these. What is clearly pronounceable (if any), and what is not at all:

Givb
Havg
Jolv
Oxhe
Sfuh
Iwih
Ubew
Udiw

Thanks.

This is what I hear...

Jolv - pronounceable

Oxhe ---rhymes with oxy, moxy, roxy

Iwih ---with short i rhymes with ew, glue, with long i sounds like Ira,

Ubew ---rhymes with u do, you blew, you sue, etc..

Udiw ---same as "ubew"

 

[dnb8]

edit - not so important

 

[mahadeva]

DYOD.com

Any opinion on DYOD.com - "Do your own D......."

Thanks.

Very nice one. Triple premium, double D, like diod. Could be worth $300 I think.

It really depends, it should get around $1000, but quite possibly it wouldn't reach more, then again if the right buyer sees it, can go up to $2000 I think.

This one should be sold with "make an offer" and $1,500 starting price I think...

Thanks guys!

 

[bricio]

Just got PYHU.com for $160 -- good deal? Counts as a CVCV, after all, right?

yes, dag CVCV... another steal for sure!!! :tu:
you can have 100% ROI immeadiately if you want to, and it isnt from me


nice post in your blog Loenzo
the most important thing you wrote there and it is regarding premium LLLLL; their scarcity
i didnt count how many of them will drop as you did but i saw they are just a few and this is the main factor to increase all LLLL prices and of course the LLL ones
to this case we can also state 'more investors at the “base of this tree”' as is written in your blog
it is very difficult to predict the prices to all of them in 2009 but premium, three premium letters, CVCV and VCVC will be expensive if we compare their proces right now

i also agree with the prices you set for LLLL in the end of 2008; though i would really like vlad 74 be correct :hehe:
i wouldnt buy a ferrari (great collection there Michael_Goldman) :tu: :hehe:

i have had an offer of $300 for DPUD.com
should i take?

it is a fair offer
i am sure you know how to negotiate :hehe:

 

[DomainMagnate]

i wouldnt buy a ferrari (great collection there Michael_Goldman) :tu: :hehe:

I probably wouldn't either, but I'd be able to :hehe:

thanks, these are only a part of my LLLL's btw

 

[CHILLY]

Question; The Big & small investors, drops & patterns

1. Is there a list of the biggest LLLL holders like askmysite?

2. If we can find and or make a list, How many LLLL's do these big investors have? How long have they had them? Are they squared away for the following years?

3. What percentage out of the 450k do they hold

4. What do you predict about Drops next year?

5. Q,X,Z, China, Germany..A more Global market, will trash turn to treasure?

6. Why have these "acronyms" become so important all of a sudden?

7. You and your renewals, Are you a believer? Are you in love or is it just a one night stand?

 

[italiandragon]

1. Not that I`m aware of. We could come up with something by scanning manually all the combos and see how many share the same contact details but that won`t be 100 % accurate as even I have different e-mail addresses and some are on Privacy.

2. We`ll never know that unless you ask to each one.

3. Again , we could calculate that if we scan them manually.

4. Which drops? Where? Tell me that I want them!!!

5. More than likely possible.

6. Ask to real estate agents why after people have bought the CBD then they start to buy in the suburbs and when even the suburbs get expensive, ask why the buy even further.....(I`m actually trying to buy my own house and in the last 2 years I have to look further and further from the CBD becaus eI can`t afford the prices of the metropolitan area that are booming here)

7. I`m officially engaged to 3 and 4 letters .com

 

[dag]

7. I`m officially engaged to 3 and 4 letters .com

Heck, I would have thought you were already married to them and ready to "renew" your vows! :hearts:

 

[rjs_essex]

Ive been browsing the NP marketplace today and is it just me or do the offers and fixed price sections seem to have a lot of threads for LLLL.com's being bumped over and over becasue there is no interest in them??...

Am I barking up the wrong tree or have you noticed this too?

Rich

 

[thetruman]

Prices cool down here at np, not outside where they look stable...

 

[filter]

Ive been browsing the NP marketplace today and is it just me or do the offers and fixed price sections seem to have a lot of threads for LLLL.com's being bumped over and over becasue there is no interest in them??...

Am I barking up the wrong tree or have you noticed this too?

Rich

I've noticed too. Still a lot better than a month ago, but not so hot compared to say 10 days ago ... Guessing it's mostly the LLLL.net money flow here on NP, but also a few largish sales at fairly low prices probably soaked up a bit of the remaining buy budget for a few more shoppers.

Question is - are less selling altogether - or just less selling at the asking price of most sellers (while the bargains got snapped up).

I've sold 2 of the 4 I've put on the market this week. That's about normal for me. I don't usually bump threads more than once - if no offers close to my asking price, then they go back in the vault until the market's ready for them.

 

[vlad74]

I think the current buy-outs (premium LLLL.net buy-out is accomplished, NNNNN.net buy-out will be accomplished in a week) for a short time draw the funds from LLLL.com market.

Further, seeing LLLL.com at almost $100 level, many short term investors (those holding less than a year) want to unload their positions. It will keep the LLLL.com prices steady for a few weeks (same as was in November after buyout, when very short term investors vere unloading their holdings at $15-$20).

Afther that, I expect the price will jump again heavily - short teerm investors sold their holdings out - no new LLLLs on the market, drops are coming to low levels, currently running buy-outs accomplished, new funds from existing and new domainers and endusers arrive. Thus I expect we will see the minimum price to jump 50% from current $65 to $100 within the next 3 -4 weeks.

 

[Alex]

Ive been browsing the NP marketplace today and is it just me or do the offers and fixed price sections seem to have a lot of threads for LLLL.com's being bumped over and over becasue there is no interest in them??...

Am I barking up the wrong tree or have you noticed this too?

Rich

I noticed this too being involved in selling. Truth to be said I am in no panic, as I can still sell them for a decent price outside of NP (sedo, tdnan etc), just for me most convenient is NP, because I like dealing with faces I know.

Do not forget that unless other marketplaces on NP you can PM and negotiate. From the PM's I got, I can say there is still a lot of interest, just people try to find the best deals for them. You cannot negotiate with the seller on a Sedo auction .

Still 20% of sales in a week is pretty good, now I cannot expect to sell everything. When I put up my 100 LLLL's for sale, I expected to sell about 30, that was my objective. I sold 20 so far, and got many PM offers that I rejected.

Market is not that hot as 2 weeks ago, but I cannot say it is a cool market, sicne 20% sales is pretty good in any bulk sale.

 

[rjs_essex]

Good comments all round everyone... It just seems strange to me at the moment that NP has cooled down 'so much'. I was right in the mix with the premium .net buyout so my gaze was turned as I guess many other peoples was too... but I can't see how this has affected the NP marketplace so much.

If I had the funds right now I would buy up a lot more at NP and sell at other market venues becasue at the moment quite a lot of the names are below market value and could turn a small profit if flipped... I find it strange that no one has adopted this strategy... either no one can be bothered or there just isnt the big profit margin people want to spend time doing it?...

Rich