LLLL.com evaluation thread

[italiandragon]

While the last LLLL.com are taken (you can check www.dyyo.com to know how many are left) , I really feel the need to have a sort of 4L price guide on the same sort of the 3L/ 3 chars price guide.

I asked to people to create a database of LLLL.com sales but it seems no one can do it so I`m going to create it myself as much as I can on just a forum thread. If I knew how to create a database I was doing it.

Keep in mind that this thread is still in the early stage and I`ll update it as much as I can. I will update this first post so it will be easier for everyone to know what`s going on in the LLLL.com aftermarket. It is going to take me a lot of my spare time but I hope that eventually soon , someone will create a software that will run by itself Till then , let`s hope I can have time!

So, just for the newbies , let`s see what we already know about the 3 chars.com price guide:

"The quality of the letter composition can play a significant role in determining 3-letter valuations. General concensus states that the letters A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T are considered premium letters. Other lesser high quality letters include: J, K, U, V, W. Lower quality letters include: Q, X, Y, Z. Domains selling for less than the above figures would represent a strong buy in today's market. Premium letter only domains tend to fetch a 500% to 600% premium (or more) over the Minimum Wholesale Price. Mixed letter quality domains have valuations somewhere in the middle of these two extremes."


I think we could adjust the same rules to the LLLL.com

Let`s play a little bit with the letters to find out what are the minimun reseller prices as for now , end of September 2007 (NOTE: THIS FIRST THREAD IS CONSTANTLY UPDATED WITH THE NEW INFO HIGHLIGHTED IN RED)

Obviously we should analyse in this thread ONLY the NON pronunciable ones to consider ONLY the quality of letters, so not even a very well known acronym but only 4 random letters.

For the "other" LLLL.com sales and evaluations based on pronunciability , then you may find useful this other thread:

http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/358387-the-llll-com-sales-report-thread.html

I`ll start with my opinion but feel free to add yours so we can get to a sort of price guide.

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A LLLL.com including 2 or more of "Q, X, Y, Z" (as long as they are not 2 of the same) I`d say less no more than $10 since there are still 12,000 of them left.

EXAMPLE: GXZH.com (no more than $10)

There is one example of these ones right now on ebay, ending in less than 3 hours:

http://cgi.ebay.com/hzxv-com-Origin...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Obviously even with 2 "bad letters" , when they start to be pronunciable this is what happens:

ZAYM.com $201

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162205723&category0=&fvi=1

Double letters such as:

GXXH.com
ZZDC.com
FYYT.com
DRQQ.com

I`d appraise them at minimun $20-$30 depending on the letters. Double but not consecutives letters would just be below the above ones.


XSXT.com $20.50

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=170160241510&category0=&fvi=1



Triple bad letters such as:

QQQD.com
FZZZ.com
RXXX.com
YYYG.com

I`d appraise them at minimun $70-$100 depending on the letters.


Then we may analyse the ones with only 1 bad letter (always Q, X, Y, Z):

FGZS.com
EYDF.com
PXSE.com
TFQG.com

These kind of LLLL .com are still available so reg fee to $10 , must be for them.


UPDATED:

SOME AUCTIONS ON EBAY ARE GETTING ABOVE $10:


http://cgi.ebay.com/ZWTO-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/FGXR-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

UPDATE 13 OCTOBER: ON EBAY PRICES ARE CONSTANTLY ABOVE $10 FOR LLLL WITH JUST 1 BAD LETTER , SOMETIMES ABOVE $20 TOO.

ZATB.com $12.49

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=270170293855&category0=&fvi=1

RLYN.com $36

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200159375608&category0=&fvi=1


RBYK.com $29.99

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200163278990&category0=&fvi=1


HRHY.com $30.80

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162203800&category0=&fvi=1


YATG.com $23.95

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162885146&category0=&fvi=1


a double letter with 1 bad letter :

IIZP.com $42

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300161869692&category0=&fvi=1




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Then we have the ones which include the group "lesser high quality letters": J, K, U, V, W.

These ones have lately bought totally so the minimun reseller price must be above reg fee , let`s say $10 - $20 depending from the letters. Some people tend to include J, K and U in the premium letters. I`d definitely include the vowel U but I guess this is a personal point of view.
Even here at NP , LLLL including just the letter U tend to outperform this category:

FGUB.com $32 (October 2007)

http://www.namepros.com/domains-for-sale-auctions/383276-fgub-com-1-start-great-4letter.html

It may be also useful to consider that K and W were sold out earlier than J and V.



There is one example of these ones right now on ebay, ending in 3 hours:

http://cgi.ebay.com/UMGV-COM-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


UPDATE 25 OCTOBER:

Things are getting hotter (at the moment less than 7000 LLLL are left) and U and this category is quickly raising its reselling value on EBAY:

DPTU.com $54.51 now

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162512206&category0=&fvi=1


RWEO.com $78.00

http://cgi.ebay.com/RWEO-com-LLLL-4...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


The letter U and W obviously are not that bad

The letter V in Italian is very much used , while in China is not so a lot depends from your background.

J is not my favourite in this group (as in the Italian alphabet there is no J-K-W-X-Y ) but certainly is getting attention by someone else:

RCEJ.com $30

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=120172045546&category0=&fvi=1


Then we have 2 of the group J, K, U, V, W such as:

GJJA.com
FVVO.com
KKTR.com

I`d say $30 to $50 as they are all gone and the double letter will increase their rarity.


FNKK.com $52

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162204984&category0=&fvi=1

2 of them but not the same 2 (double) are less valuable:

http://cgi.ebay.com/VWTP-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

VDUZ.com $26

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=200159969339&category0=&fvi=1


WPEJ.com $23.15

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200163499690&category0=&fvi=1


With 3 of them , like :

GJJJ.com
FVVV.com
KKKT.com

I`d say $100 -$150

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Then we have the best of the best: ALL PREMIUM letters:


A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T



Names like CLFO.com or FGTR.com or ATFI.com are going to get $$$.

I can`t find any of these LLLL.com for less than $100 , sometimes not even $200 buy them.
So I`d say a really minimun of $100 to easily $200 each.
At places like Snapnames.com, the all premium letters even if they are non pronunciables , are going already for above $400 and the market is getting hotter day by day.

If the name appears to have 2 of a kind like:

SSFO.com or GBBT.com then we should be at minimun $200 to $300

3 of a kind such DDDF.com or TLLL.com will get over $300 to $500

SPECIALS​

Anything like this is an added value.

In my daily observation of LLLL.com sales I noticed that any of the following abbreviations and/or suffixes are more valuable:

- IT (Information Tecnology or Italy)

- MY

Examples:

IMYO.com $449

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=300158326938&category0=&fvi=1

BMMY.com $350

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18688&tracked=&partnerid=


HFMY.com $37.50

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162885558&category0=&fvi=1


- UK

UKIX.com ended on TDNAM.com @ $146

- DE

- US

- CA

- OZ (Australia)

- NZ (new Zealand)

- GO

- HI

Examples:

HIXV.com $59 (October 2007)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=120169750537&category0=&fvi=1

- OK

- KG

- CV (Curriculum Vitae)

- DR (Doctor)

- DJ

Examples:

DJBX.com $45 (October 2007)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=170158507650&category0=&fvi=1


And more that I`ll add as soon as I can think of them!

Also,some letters add value because of their very common use.

The letter E , I and O add value usually because can mean E-lectronic , I-nternet and O-nline.

Other nice letters are:

C for Corporation or Company , L for Limited , A for Association.

The best positions are usually in the first or in the 4th spot depending from the letter. For example E will be better in the first spot while L for Limited will be better in the 4th spot but all of these letters can add value.


Other special categories that attract a bonus are based on the numbers of vowels.
There are only 5 vowels so the LLLL.com with 4 vowels are extremely rare and even the ones with 3 vowels perform very well as their demand is high.

Some recent examples:

OEOV.com $56

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=110183807446&category0=&fvi=1


EOAJ.com $52

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=110183814160&category0=&fvi=1

CVCV & VCVC​

Let`s start from the TOP this time:

CVCV.com

all premium letters Like BIFE.com or DAGO.com

minimun......well here it is hard since prices increase quickly ....maybe $1,500 ?


CVCV.com with 1 bad letter like BIZE or DAQO.com about $800

CVCV.com with 1 bad and 1 average letters like NUQE.com or VAXO.com about $500

CVCV.com with 1 bad and 2 average letters like WUQA.com or ZOVU.com

about $300

It was right WUQA.com that made me realize that I forgot the 1 bad + 2 average ones. People reported that WUQA.com ended on TDNAM.com at $315 (end of October)

CVCV.com with 2 bad letters like QEZI.com or ZIXO.com about $400

CVCV.com with 2 bad letters and 1 average letter like QUZI.com or ZUXO.com about $300

CVCV.com with 2 bad and 2 average letters (MUST BE DOUBLE U) like QUZU.com or ZUXU.com about 300



Now let`s see the VCVC.com

all premium letters Like IFEB.com or AGOC.com about $1,000 ?

VCVC.com with 1 bad letter like IZEB or AQOC.com about $500

VCVC.com with 1 bad and 1 average letters like OZUD.com or AXUF.com about $300 - $350 (I sold OZUD.com on SEDO in August for $330)

VCVC.com with 2 bad letters like AXEZ.com or IQOX.com about $200

VCVC.com with 2 bad letters and 1 average letter like UXEZ.com or UXOQ.com about $100

VCVC.com with 2 bad and 2 average letters (MUST BE DOUBLE U) like UZUQ.com or UXUZ.com about 100



I`m currently taking input on the CVCV and the VCVC where Y is the last vowel.

The first recent example is this one:

OGYZ.com $57.99

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200157925898&category0=&fvi=1


I leave the CVVC and VCCV to others as I did not have much experience with them yet.


SALES OF RANDOM (NON PRONUNCIABLE) LLLL.COM AT OTHER VENUES:

SEDO.com​

Interesting Sedo Auctions show many crappy LLLL.com with bids

UPDATE: CHECK THE AUCTIONS BELOW THAT ARE NOW ALL ENDED....PRICES ARE GETTING SHOCKING!

zekh.com $120

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18336&tracked=&partnerid=

zeow.com $300

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18360&tracked=&partnerid=

ucnk.com $120

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18468&tracked=&partnerid=

ahlq.com $243

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18528&tracked=&partnerid=


hobf.com 100 Eur= $140

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18576&tracked=&partnerid=


jvbb.com 100 Eur=$140

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18693&tracked=&partnerid=

yvze.com 70 Euros=$105

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18730&tracked=&partnerid=


Are we already starting to see a minimun price of $100 for each LLLL.com ?


Please share your opinions on the one of the hottest niches of the domain market

Thank you

 

[bro]

Yeah, that is why Google is so usefull.

Just look at this one (as an example)

YQRG - 2 bad letters, but:

Y goes for Yahoo for example and QRG for Quick Reference Guide.

This reminds me I own GQRG :D

Nice , But I like to put it this way , Y!QRG - keeping Y seperate from QRG so Now Y can stand for why or Your or Yes etc.

 

[italiandragon]

That`s it, sorry guys, I can`t cope anymore with the allegations some people post here related to LLLL.com (yet they go looking for LLLLL.com) , so since I have so much to do and less time to answer to blind naysayers , I stop from now the update of this thread and other related threads on NamePros.

From now on, I`ll limit my partecipation to NamePros mainly to marketplace threads.

The good thing is that I`ll have more time to dedicate to my Blog where possibly I`ll publish my LLLL.com price guide.

I wish you the best to you all.

 

[Pred]

Could some kind people evaluate:

RYET.com

I know its pronouncable and Geo too. I love it but want to know if my expectations are realistic.

Sounds like 'RIOT' too.
Any angles i'm not seeing?

cheers in advance

 

[Shenron]

Very nice one arnie.

It sounds like Riot to me also... Trip Premium + Y , pronounceable, GEO...
I'd say you can get $1k for it, but depends on the buyer, can be more, sometimes the market acts weird.

 

[Vlad]

how about mine?
OJVJ.com :P I payed 8$ for it(hand-reg lol)....do you think I could get a good amount for it?
Thanks in advance

 

[DomainMagnate]

how about mine?
OJVJ.com :P I payed 8$ for it(hand-reg lol)....do you think I could get a good amount for it?
Thanks in advance

$65-$70

 

[Pred]

Very nice one arnie.

It sounds like Riot to me also... Trip Premium + Y , pronounceable, GEO...
I'd say you can get $1k for it, but depends on the buyer, can be more, sometimes the market acts weird.

Thanks a lot.

I had thought same myself $1k plus on a bad day.
Enduser up up away


I'll post back when sold, what goes for.
cheers

repped

 

[srisri24]

That`s it, sorry guys, I can`t cope anymore with the allegations some people post here related to LLLL.com (yet they go looking for LLLLL.com) , so since I have so much to do and less time to answer to blind naysayers , I stop from now the update of this thread and other related threads on NamePros.

From now on, I`ll limit my partecipation to NamePros mainly to marketplace threads.

The good thing is that I`ll have more time to dedicate to my Blog where possibly I`ll publish my LLLL.com price guide.

I wish you the best to you all.

Plzzzzz dont stop posting.
I always followed your posts. And its quite informative as well. There will always be naysayers. You cant satisfay everyone. By limiting your participation, many like me will be losers.
I am one of those who investing in LLLL.coms by reading posts here at NP and many of them are yours. I wish this place continues to be as interactive as ever.

 

[dag]

That`s it, sorry guys, I can`t cope anymore with the allegations some people post here related to LLLL.com (yet they go looking for LLLLL.com) , so since I have so much to do and less time to answer to blind naysayers , I stop from now the update of this thread and other related threads on NamePros.

From now on, I`ll limit my partecipation to NamePros mainly to marketplace threads.

The good thing is that I`ll have more time to dedicate to my Blog where possibly I`ll publish my LLLL.com price guide.

I wish you the best to you all.

Thought you had thicker skin than that, Lorenzo! Just don't respond to naysayers -- who cares? Your major profits a few years down the road is the only response you need to give!

 

[raredn.com]

That`s it, sorry guys, I can`t cope anymore with the allegations some people post here related to LLLL.com (yet they go looking for LLLLL.com) , so since I have so much to do and less time to answer to blind naysayers , I stop from now the update of this thread and other related threads on NamePros.

From now on, I`ll limit my partecipation to NamePros mainly to marketplace threads.

The good thing is that I`ll have more time to dedicate to my Blog where possibly I`ll publish my LLLL.com price guide.

I wish you the best to you all.

I love LLLLL.com and LLLL.com they are both my friends

 

[diddie]

could you help me to evaluate these 2 names:

- PLYX (had a low $X,XXX offer on it but never concluded, + a lot of mid $XXX)
- VYXE

thx

 

[italiandragon]

alright, I`ll try keep going, thanks.


SNAPNAMES ending auctions for Premiums:



mrhb.com $275 with only 2 hours left

ghds.com is already $715 with more than 1 day left.

lthm.com $110 with more than 1 day left.

and at TDNAM, the BIN section offer only these under $99:

qrkl.com - 0 $82 88D 14H
hjqr.com - 0 $88 65D 12H
ovhz.com - 0 $89 19D 12H

 

[diddie]

devi rimanere qua drago italiano !

what you think of my names i posted above your post?

 

[epasaport]

alright, I`ll try keep going, thanks.


SNAPNAMES ending auctions for Premiums:



mrhb.com $275 with only 2 hours left

ghds.com is already $715 with more than 1 day left.

lthm.com $110 with more than 1 day left.

and at TDNAM, the BIN section offer only these under $99:

qrkl.com - 0 $82 88D 14H
hjqr.com - 0 $88 65D 12H
ovhz.com - 0 $89 19D 12H

mrhb is going cheap I wish I had to see the private auction mrhb means in arabish hello merhaba and in Turkish

 

[disarmed]

I wonder who is ddr_king.. He is basically dominating ALL the LLLL.com Snapnames private auctions right now. (Okay not all, but most of them)

 

[epasaport]

I wonder who is ddr_king.. He is basically dominating ALL the LLLL.com Snapnames private auctions right now. (Okay not all, but most of them)

is he new guy ? one week ago is he exist ?

 

[Anthony Sun]

Guys, how much do you think the following domains are worth?

RWMK.com
YBNU.com
YDKD.com
YFIY.com
YLDG.com

Do you call these as "all premium"?

Also how about these two? I have them on sale now.

QKQA.com (Quick QA?)

PJKZ.com (Pajama Kids?)


Anthony

:gn:

 

[Shasta]

Of these names I purchased in the last 14 days, I'm trying to decide which to keep, which to sell to pay registration fees.

Which names do you like the most?
Which names do you like the least?

Thanks!!!

qkoh
uhnr
ijli
sqew
elkk
ojpa
ezyk
ujky
ijye
ioyl
ozbu

 

[Andrei P.]

I like these 4:
uhnr
sqew
elkk
ojpa

 

[Shasta]

Also how about these two? I have them on sale now.

QKQA.com (Quick QA?)

PJKZ.com (Pajama Kids?)


Anthony

:gn:

I sold PJZU on eBay in December on eBay for $85. I'd think yours should be worth at least $100 in the current market. I think I got so much because I marketed mine as PJ ZU and put in brackets (PJ Zoo) like your doing with the Pajama Kids. I think it really helps give the enduser / investor ideas.

As for QKQA.com I know that I'd buy it for about $80. I definately can see the QK as quick (1/2 the people can and 1/2 can't). Last week I purchased QKOH for $69 off TDNAM and thought it was a bargain. I also have QKMA, QKJO, QKHI, QKUH, QKIY so there are definately collectors of this combination out there. I'd say it's worth at least $100 as well to an enduser if you point out the "quick", $80 to a reseller.

could you help me to evaluate these 2 names:

- PLYX (had a low $X,XXX offer on it but never concluded, + a lot of mid $XXX)
- VYXE

thx

PLYX would be a great enduser name for a plywood manufacturer, it's also a pronounceable....which I love. It's definately brandable. The pl is a nice blending sound. YX however isn't my favorite letter combo though, I'd prefer ix, ax, ex, etc.. if it had one of these I could see it easily going for your offer of X,XXX. But, since it does not I think it's currently worth about mid XXX to a reseller. If I were you I'd write some plywood manufactureres to get into the 4 figure realm though.

VYXE hmmm....I Vikes (likes) VYXE. Sounds kind of russian or german, sounds also like bikes, yikes, likes, pikes, trikes, psychs and a lot more. It also has a Roman numeral feel to it. It's pronounceable, brandable, the xe in this case looks normal enough as in axe, exe. The V looks nice next to a Y. I'd say low to mid XXX range for a reseller. Higher of course if the right buyer comes along.