LLLL.com evaluation thread

[italiandragon]

While the last LLLL.com are taken (you can check www.dyyo.com to know how many are left) , I really feel the need to have a sort of 4L price guide on the same sort of the 3L/ 3 chars price guide.

I asked to people to create a database of LLLL.com sales but it seems no one can do it so I`m going to create it myself as much as I can on just a forum thread. If I knew how to create a database I was doing it.

Keep in mind that this thread is still in the early stage and I`ll update it as much as I can. I will update this first post so it will be easier for everyone to know what`s going on in the LLLL.com aftermarket. It is going to take me a lot of my spare time but I hope that eventually soon , someone will create a software that will run by itself Till then , let`s hope I can have time!

So, just for the newbies , let`s see what we already know about the 3 chars.com price guide:

"The quality of the letter composition can play a significant role in determining 3-letter valuations. General concensus states that the letters A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T are considered premium letters. Other lesser high quality letters include: J, K, U, V, W. Lower quality letters include: Q, X, Y, Z. Domains selling for less than the above figures would represent a strong buy in today's market. Premium letter only domains tend to fetch a 500% to 600% premium (or more) over the Minimum Wholesale Price. Mixed letter quality domains have valuations somewhere in the middle of these two extremes."


I think we could adjust the same rules to the LLLL.com

Let`s play a little bit with the letters to find out what are the minimun reseller prices as for now , end of September 2007 (NOTE: THIS FIRST THREAD IS CONSTANTLY UPDATED WITH THE NEW INFO HIGHLIGHTED IN RED)

Obviously we should analyse in this thread ONLY the NON pronunciable ones to consider ONLY the quality of letters, so not even a very well known acronym but only 4 random letters.

For the "other" LLLL.com sales and evaluations based on pronunciability , then you may find useful this other thread:

http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/358387-the-llll-com-sales-report-thread.html

I`ll start with my opinion but feel free to add yours so we can get to a sort of price guide.

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A LLLL.com including 2 or more of "Q, X, Y, Z" (as long as they are not 2 of the same) I`d say less no more than $10 since there are still 12,000 of them left.

EXAMPLE: GXZH.com (no more than $10)

There is one example of these ones right now on ebay, ending in less than 3 hours:

http://cgi.ebay.com/hzxv-com-Origin...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Obviously even with 2 "bad letters" , when they start to be pronunciable this is what happens:

ZAYM.com $201

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162205723&category0=&fvi=1

Double letters such as:

GXXH.com
ZZDC.com
FYYT.com
DRQQ.com

I`d appraise them at minimun $20-$30 depending on the letters. Double but not consecutives letters would just be below the above ones.


XSXT.com $20.50

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=170160241510&category0=&fvi=1



Triple bad letters such as:

QQQD.com
FZZZ.com
RXXX.com
YYYG.com

I`d appraise them at minimun $70-$100 depending on the letters.


Then we may analyse the ones with only 1 bad letter (always Q, X, Y, Z):

FGZS.com
EYDF.com
PXSE.com
TFQG.com

These kind of LLLL .com are still available so reg fee to $10 , must be for them.


UPDATED:

SOME AUCTIONS ON EBAY ARE GETTING ABOVE $10:


http://cgi.ebay.com/ZWTO-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/FGXR-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

UPDATE 13 OCTOBER: ON EBAY PRICES ARE CONSTANTLY ABOVE $10 FOR LLLL WITH JUST 1 BAD LETTER , SOMETIMES ABOVE $20 TOO.

ZATB.com $12.49

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=270170293855&category0=&fvi=1

RLYN.com $36

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200159375608&category0=&fvi=1


RBYK.com $29.99

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200163278990&category0=&fvi=1


HRHY.com $30.80

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162203800&category0=&fvi=1


YATG.com $23.95

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162885146&category0=&fvi=1


a double letter with 1 bad letter :

IIZP.com $42

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300161869692&category0=&fvi=1




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Then we have the ones which include the group "lesser high quality letters": J, K, U, V, W.

These ones have lately bought totally so the minimun reseller price must be above reg fee , let`s say $10 - $20 depending from the letters. Some people tend to include J, K and U in the premium letters. I`d definitely include the vowel U but I guess this is a personal point of view.
Even here at NP , LLLL including just the letter U tend to outperform this category:

FGUB.com $32 (October 2007)

http://www.namepros.com/domains-for-sale-auctions/383276-fgub-com-1-start-great-4letter.html

It may be also useful to consider that K and W were sold out earlier than J and V.



There is one example of these ones right now on ebay, ending in 3 hours:

http://cgi.ebay.com/UMGV-COM-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


UPDATE 25 OCTOBER:

Things are getting hotter (at the moment less than 7000 LLLL are left) and U and this category is quickly raising its reselling value on EBAY:

DPTU.com $54.51 now

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162512206&category0=&fvi=1


RWEO.com $78.00

http://cgi.ebay.com/RWEO-com-LLLL-4...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


The letter U and W obviously are not that bad

The letter V in Italian is very much used , while in China is not so a lot depends from your background.

J is not my favourite in this group (as in the Italian alphabet there is no J-K-W-X-Y ) but certainly is getting attention by someone else:

RCEJ.com $30

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=120172045546&category0=&fvi=1


Then we have 2 of the group J, K, U, V, W such as:

GJJA.com
FVVO.com
KKTR.com

I`d say $30 to $50 as they are all gone and the double letter will increase their rarity.


FNKK.com $52

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162204984&category0=&fvi=1

2 of them but not the same 2 (double) are less valuable:

http://cgi.ebay.com/VWTP-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

VDUZ.com $26

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=200159969339&category0=&fvi=1


WPEJ.com $23.15

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200163499690&category0=&fvi=1


With 3 of them , like :

GJJJ.com
FVVV.com
KKKT.com

I`d say $100 -$150

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Then we have the best of the best: ALL PREMIUM letters:


A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T



Names like CLFO.com or FGTR.com or ATFI.com are going to get $$$.

I can`t find any of these LLLL.com for less than $100 , sometimes not even $200 buy them.
So I`d say a really minimun of $100 to easily $200 each.
At places like Snapnames.com, the all premium letters even if they are non pronunciables , are going already for above $400 and the market is getting hotter day by day.

If the name appears to have 2 of a kind like:

SSFO.com or GBBT.com then we should be at minimun $200 to $300

3 of a kind such DDDF.com or TLLL.com will get over $300 to $500

SPECIALS​

Anything like this is an added value.

In my daily observation of LLLL.com sales I noticed that any of the following abbreviations and/or suffixes are more valuable:

- IT (Information Tecnology or Italy)

- MY

Examples:

IMYO.com $449

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=300158326938&category0=&fvi=1

BMMY.com $350

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18688&tracked=&partnerid=


HFMY.com $37.50

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162885558&category0=&fvi=1


- UK

UKIX.com ended on TDNAM.com @ $146

- DE

- US

- CA

- OZ (Australia)

- NZ (new Zealand)

- GO

- HI

Examples:

HIXV.com $59 (October 2007)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=120169750537&category0=&fvi=1

- OK

- KG

- CV (Curriculum Vitae)

- DR (Doctor)

- DJ

Examples:

DJBX.com $45 (October 2007)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=170158507650&category0=&fvi=1


And more that I`ll add as soon as I can think of them!

Also,some letters add value because of their very common use.

The letter E , I and O add value usually because can mean E-lectronic , I-nternet and O-nline.

Other nice letters are:

C for Corporation or Company , L for Limited , A for Association.

The best positions are usually in the first or in the 4th spot depending from the letter. For example E will be better in the first spot while L for Limited will be better in the 4th spot but all of these letters can add value.


Other special categories that attract a bonus are based on the numbers of vowels.
There are only 5 vowels so the LLLL.com with 4 vowels are extremely rare and even the ones with 3 vowels perform very well as their demand is high.

Some recent examples:

OEOV.com $56

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=110183807446&category0=&fvi=1


EOAJ.com $52

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=110183814160&category0=&fvi=1

CVCV & VCVC​

Let`s start from the TOP this time:

CVCV.com

all premium letters Like BIFE.com or DAGO.com

minimun......well here it is hard since prices increase quickly ....maybe $1,500 ?


CVCV.com with 1 bad letter like BIZE or DAQO.com about $800

CVCV.com with 1 bad and 1 average letters like NUQE.com or VAXO.com about $500

CVCV.com with 1 bad and 2 average letters like WUQA.com or ZOVU.com

about $300

It was right WUQA.com that made me realize that I forgot the 1 bad + 2 average ones. People reported that WUQA.com ended on TDNAM.com at $315 (end of October)

CVCV.com with 2 bad letters like QEZI.com or ZIXO.com about $400

CVCV.com with 2 bad letters and 1 average letter like QUZI.com or ZUXO.com about $300

CVCV.com with 2 bad and 2 average letters (MUST BE DOUBLE U) like QUZU.com or ZUXU.com about 300



Now let`s see the VCVC.com

all premium letters Like IFEB.com or AGOC.com about $1,000 ?

VCVC.com with 1 bad letter like IZEB or AQOC.com about $500

VCVC.com with 1 bad and 1 average letters like OZUD.com or AXUF.com about $300 - $350 (I sold OZUD.com on SEDO in August for $330)

VCVC.com with 2 bad letters like AXEZ.com or IQOX.com about $200

VCVC.com with 2 bad letters and 1 average letter like UXEZ.com or UXOQ.com about $100

VCVC.com with 2 bad and 2 average letters (MUST BE DOUBLE U) like UZUQ.com or UXUZ.com about 100



I`m currently taking input on the CVCV and the VCVC where Y is the last vowel.

The first recent example is this one:

OGYZ.com $57.99

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200157925898&category0=&fvi=1


I leave the CVVC and VCCV to others as I did not have much experience with them yet.


SALES OF RANDOM (NON PRONUNCIABLE) LLLL.COM AT OTHER VENUES:

SEDO.com​

Interesting Sedo Auctions show many crappy LLLL.com with bids

UPDATE: CHECK THE AUCTIONS BELOW THAT ARE NOW ALL ENDED....PRICES ARE GETTING SHOCKING!

zekh.com $120

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18336&tracked=&partnerid=

zeow.com $300

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18360&tracked=&partnerid=

ucnk.com $120

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18468&tracked=&partnerid=

ahlq.com $243

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18528&tracked=&partnerid=


hobf.com 100 Eur= $140

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18576&tracked=&partnerid=


jvbb.com 100 Eur=$140

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18693&tracked=&partnerid=

yvze.com 70 Euros=$105

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18730&tracked=&partnerid=


Are we already starting to see a minimun price of $100 for each LLLL.com ?


Please share your opinions on the one of the hottest niches of the domain market

Thank you

 

[dag]

If you're bidding on it, it'll let you know that it was reclaimed under your "didn't win" section.

Oh...doesn't say it on this page: https://www.tdnam.com/trpItemListing.aspx?&miid=10463615 -- but that's just a "watching" page as opposed to "bidding" page.

Hmmm...that stinks for the winner!

 

[DotWeekly]

pswd is gone! owner reclaimed :yell:

 

[planoali]

haha I was in on that one as well. Did you just forget to renew it or emailed the former owner and made a deal?

 

[Alex]

That means you are involved in this?

I know I was in some reclaims .. not this time though.

 

[DotWeekly]

haha I was in on that one as well. Did you just forget to renew it or emailed the former owner and made a deal?

I never owned it until today

 

[Spade]

I never owned it until today

Sneaky Sneaky... who taught you that trick!? Oh yah... me.

 

[planoali]

I was thinking about doing that as well for this one but couldn't find the time

 

[DotWeekly]

Sneaky Sneaky... who taught you that trick!? Oh yah... me.

You can't teach old dogs new tricks... who's older But yes, I did teach you that little trick.

 

[dag]

You can't teach old dogs new tricks... who's older But yes, I did teach you that little trick.

I hope you at least paid him more than the top bid at TDNAM...

 

[DADomains]

Sneaky Sneaky... who taught you that trick!? Oh yah... me.

Say, I really like your DAD.net. Its my initials! Of course I probably couldn't afford it, so good luck with it! :gn:

 

[DotWeekly]

I hope you at least paid him more than the top bid at TDNAM...

He was satisfied with my offer. He even ordered a Godaddy Domain Appraisal and the deal still closed. So we were both happy.

BTW, it's not like he would of got the High Bid amount from Godaddy. So paying the auction amount is irrelevant really.

 

[italiandragon]

Just watch, they'll go up to 300 per after my auctions over with my luck :yell:

Can't complain really though... If someone would have told me 6 months ago that every single $7 I invested in LLLL.coms would be worth even $36 today... well, I probably would have called them crazy for not buying them all out themselves!

ehm...I did wrote about 100 times that in a year from the buyout we could see at least $100 for each LLLL.com

It seems I was too pessimistic since we are going to see much more

I told you that you were sitting on $1,000,000+

 

[dag]

He was satisfied with my offer. He even ordered a Godaddy Domain Appraisal and the deal still closed. So we were both happy.

BTW, it's not like he would of got the High Bid amount from Godaddy. So paying the auction amount is irrelevant really.

True, for him...I was thinking more from the disappointed winner of the auction's point of view.

 

[DotWeekly]

True, for him...I was thinking more from the disappointed winner of the auction's point of view.

For one, the auction was still in progress, so there was no "winner". Secondly, it states in Godaddy's TOS, that an expired domain name in auction can be reclaimed by the original owners during and up to 7 days After the auction.

Domain names get reclaimed all the time at TDNAM. GLC.net was another that was reclaimed today that I was watching and I'm sure many many more.

 

[dag]

For one, the auction was still in progress, so there was no "winner". Secondly, it states in Godaddy's TOS, that an expired domain name in auction can be reclaimed by the original owners during and up to 7 days After the auction.

Domain names get reclaimed all the time at TDNAM. GLC.net was another that was reclaimed today that I was watching and I'm sure many many more.

You're right, no harm done...obviously people need to be aware of the risk of that sort of thing happening at TDNAM.

Best of luck with it...it's a great one!

 

[filter]

You seem to have started a monster demand for anti-premiums...

wellll ... I just called them like I saw them - hard to imagine I started anything here, maybe was a bit earlier than most to embrace the ugly ducklings, and just helped them along their way a bit ...

Here's an insider joke ...
Q. Why did the anti-premium LLLL.com cross the fjord?
A. To get sold on eBay!

ah ... nevermind. Thanks folks, I'll be here all week. Don't forget to tip your registrar on the way out! :yell:

I would say it is lack of information. Please adverise them a bit earlier, more people (incl. myself) will jump in.

Thanks Vlad. Have to wonder - is everybody sig-blind? (Hat tip to TomB for that forum jargon!) ... Am I too subtle with my sig? Does the colorful content of my posts distract people from actually clicking on my "ads"?

Well - no bids yet on the 3 I have in my sig today, at least not the last time I checked - but they're closing in about 20 hours. (I'm not going to post them in the "under $50" thread this time though!) (I paid more than $50 for one of them over 2 months ago ...! But - I don't know what came over me - I'm setting OJGY loose on teh eBay tonight! Maybe TomB will try to win it back now!)

 

[italiandragon]

wellll ... I just called them like I saw them - hard to imagine I started anything here, maybe was a bit earlier than most to embrace the ugly ducklings, and just helped them along their way a bit ...

Here's an insider joke ...
Q. Why did the anti-premium LLLL.com cross the fjord?
A. To get sold on eBay!

ah ... nevermind. Thanks folks, I'll be here all week. Don't forget to tip your registrar on the way out! :yell:

Thanks Vlad. Have to wonder - is everybody sig-blind? (Hat tip to TomB for that forum jargon!) ... Am I too subtle with my sig? Does the colorful content of my posts distract people from actually clicking on my "ads"?

Well - no bids yet on the 3 I have in my sig today, at least not the last time I checked - but they're closing in about 20 hours. (I'm not going to post them in the "under $50" thread this time though!) (I paid more than $50 for one of them over 2 months ago ...! But - I don't know what came over me - I'm setting OJGY loose on teh eBay tonight! Maybe TomB will try to win it back now!)

Hi Dan, I`d like to ask you if you like to this "day trading" activity for fun maybe because you have so much free time......but have you never thought to use all this time in another way and let your investments grow?

Thanks

 

[filter]

Hi Dan, I`d like to ask you if you like to this "day trading" activity for fun maybe because you have so much free time......but have you never thought to use all this time in another way and let your investments grow?

Thanks

Hi Lorenzo - well, you asked, so I'll tell it to ya straight ... I should be looking for a job right now! And in the meantime, finding that I enjoy domaining and it's bringing in a few $$ in the meantime, which is good. I never thought of myself as much of a "salesman" - which is another dimension to domaining that I enjoy. I've spent plenty of years in my life trading stocks with decent but much less impressive results ... (I'm a programmer by trade, worked in the financial industry in NYC for a few interesting years in the mid-1990s until 2002.)

I wish I could keep every single LLLL.com I've picked up in the last few months - but I came into the market looking for just a few for my own use - and now have over 100 LLLL.com and over 100 other domains as well. Meanwhile, I can use back some of the $5000 I put into these critters since September - and am loving the fact that by the time I'm done selling (probably another 20 to go, depending on how prices are in the next few weeks) - I'll have a "free" nest egg to sit on for my (third!) retirement - with even nicer names than I started with (and a few even uglier anti-premiums in it too, just for laughs!).

And, even more valuable to me in the long run - if that is possible - a solid TR and some good contacts from all the deals I've done here on NP in the past few months .... I suspect that some of us are going to be getting filthy rich doing good deals in this business over the next decade - and the LLLL.com "early adopters" are IMO some of the smartest, friendliest members of this "new class" which will one day be an "old school" ... So I feel lucky to have a chance to be a part of it. This is IMO an exceptional time to be in the market.

And yes, it is a lot of fun too ...

 

[Malaysia]

hi does anyone know where i can check LLLL.com minimum wholesale price like 3character.com for LLL.coms

 

[Shenron]

Check www.4letternoob.com.