LLLL.com evaluation thread

[italiandragon]

While the last LLLL.com are taken (you can check www.dyyo.com to know how many are left) , I really feel the need to have a sort of 4L price guide on the same sort of the 3L/ 3 chars price guide.

I asked to people to create a database of LLLL.com sales but it seems no one can do it so I`m going to create it myself as much as I can on just a forum thread. If I knew how to create a database I was doing it.

Keep in mind that this thread is still in the early stage and I`ll update it as much as I can. I will update this first post so it will be easier for everyone to know what`s going on in the LLLL.com aftermarket. It is going to take me a lot of my spare time but I hope that eventually soon , someone will create a software that will run by itself Till then , let`s hope I can have time!

So, just for the newbies , let`s see what we already know about the 3 chars.com price guide:

"The quality of the letter composition can play a significant role in determining 3-letter valuations. General concensus states that the letters A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T are considered premium letters. Other lesser high quality letters include: J, K, U, V, W. Lower quality letters include: Q, X, Y, Z. Domains selling for less than the above figures would represent a strong buy in today's market. Premium letter only domains tend to fetch a 500% to 600% premium (or more) over the Minimum Wholesale Price. Mixed letter quality domains have valuations somewhere in the middle of these two extremes."


I think we could adjust the same rules to the LLLL.com

Let`s play a little bit with the letters to find out what are the minimun reseller prices as for now , end of September 2007 (NOTE: THIS FIRST THREAD IS CONSTANTLY UPDATED WITH THE NEW INFO HIGHLIGHTED IN RED)

Obviously we should analyse in this thread ONLY the NON pronunciable ones to consider ONLY the quality of letters, so not even a very well known acronym but only 4 random letters.

For the "other" LLLL.com sales and evaluations based on pronunciability , then you may find useful this other thread:

http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/358387-the-llll-com-sales-report-thread.html

I`ll start with my opinion but feel free to add yours so we can get to a sort of price guide.

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A LLLL.com including 2 or more of "Q, X, Y, Z" (as long as they are not 2 of the same) I`d say less no more than $10 since there are still 12,000 of them left.

EXAMPLE: GXZH.com (no more than $10)

There is one example of these ones right now on ebay, ending in less than 3 hours:

http://cgi.ebay.com/hzxv-com-Origin...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Obviously even with 2 "bad letters" , when they start to be pronunciable this is what happens:

ZAYM.com $201

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162205723&category0=&fvi=1

Double letters such as:

GXXH.com
ZZDC.com
FYYT.com
DRQQ.com

I`d appraise them at minimun $20-$30 depending on the letters. Double but not consecutives letters would just be below the above ones.


XSXT.com $20.50

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=170160241510&category0=&fvi=1



Triple bad letters such as:

QQQD.com
FZZZ.com
RXXX.com
YYYG.com

I`d appraise them at minimun $70-$100 depending on the letters.


Then we may analyse the ones with only 1 bad letter (always Q, X, Y, Z):

FGZS.com
EYDF.com
PXSE.com
TFQG.com

These kind of LLLL .com are still available so reg fee to $10 , must be for them.


UPDATED:

SOME AUCTIONS ON EBAY ARE GETTING ABOVE $10:


http://cgi.ebay.com/ZWTO-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/FGXR-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

UPDATE 13 OCTOBER: ON EBAY PRICES ARE CONSTANTLY ABOVE $10 FOR LLLL WITH JUST 1 BAD LETTER , SOMETIMES ABOVE $20 TOO.

ZATB.com $12.49

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=270170293855&category0=&fvi=1

RLYN.com $36

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200159375608&category0=&fvi=1


RBYK.com $29.99

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200163278990&category0=&fvi=1


HRHY.com $30.80

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162203800&category0=&fvi=1


YATG.com $23.95

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162885146&category0=&fvi=1


a double letter with 1 bad letter :

IIZP.com $42

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300161869692&category0=&fvi=1




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Then we have the ones which include the group "lesser high quality letters": J, K, U, V, W.

These ones have lately bought totally so the minimun reseller price must be above reg fee , let`s say $10 - $20 depending from the letters. Some people tend to include J, K and U in the premium letters. I`d definitely include the vowel U but I guess this is a personal point of view.
Even here at NP , LLLL including just the letter U tend to outperform this category:

FGUB.com $32 (October 2007)

http://www.namepros.com/domains-for-sale-auctions/383276-fgub-com-1-start-great-4letter.html

It may be also useful to consider that K and W were sold out earlier than J and V.



There is one example of these ones right now on ebay, ending in 3 hours:

http://cgi.ebay.com/UMGV-COM-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


UPDATE 25 OCTOBER:

Things are getting hotter (at the moment less than 7000 LLLL are left) and U and this category is quickly raising its reselling value on EBAY:

DPTU.com $54.51 now

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162512206&category0=&fvi=1


RWEO.com $78.00

http://cgi.ebay.com/RWEO-com-LLLL-4...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


The letter U and W obviously are not that bad

The letter V in Italian is very much used , while in China is not so a lot depends from your background.

J is not my favourite in this group (as in the Italian alphabet there is no J-K-W-X-Y ) but certainly is getting attention by someone else:

RCEJ.com $30

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=120172045546&category0=&fvi=1


Then we have 2 of the group J, K, U, V, W such as:

GJJA.com
FVVO.com
KKTR.com

I`d say $30 to $50 as they are all gone and the double letter will increase their rarity.


FNKK.com $52

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162204984&category0=&fvi=1

2 of them but not the same 2 (double) are less valuable:

http://cgi.ebay.com/VWTP-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

VDUZ.com $26

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=200159969339&category0=&fvi=1


WPEJ.com $23.15

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200163499690&category0=&fvi=1


With 3 of them , like :

GJJJ.com
FVVV.com
KKKT.com

I`d say $100 -$150

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Then we have the best of the best: ALL PREMIUM letters:


A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T



Names like CLFO.com or FGTR.com or ATFI.com are going to get $$$.

I can`t find any of these LLLL.com for less than $100 , sometimes not even $200 buy them.
So I`d say a really minimun of $100 to easily $200 each.
At places like Snapnames.com, the all premium letters even if they are non pronunciables , are going already for above $400 and the market is getting hotter day by day.

If the name appears to have 2 of a kind like:

SSFO.com or GBBT.com then we should be at minimun $200 to $300

3 of a kind such DDDF.com or TLLL.com will get over $300 to $500

SPECIALS​

Anything like this is an added value.

In my daily observation of LLLL.com sales I noticed that any of the following abbreviations and/or suffixes are more valuable:

- IT (Information Tecnology or Italy)

- MY

Examples:

IMYO.com $449

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=300158326938&category0=&fvi=1

BMMY.com $350

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18688&tracked=&partnerid=


HFMY.com $37.50

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162885558&category0=&fvi=1


- UK

UKIX.com ended on TDNAM.com @ $146

- DE

- US

- CA

- OZ (Australia)

- NZ (new Zealand)

- GO

- HI

Examples:

HIXV.com $59 (October 2007)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=120169750537&category0=&fvi=1

- OK

- KG

- CV (Curriculum Vitae)

- DR (Doctor)

- DJ

Examples:

DJBX.com $45 (October 2007)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=170158507650&category0=&fvi=1


And more that I`ll add as soon as I can think of them!

Also,some letters add value because of their very common use.

The letter E , I and O add value usually because can mean E-lectronic , I-nternet and O-nline.

Other nice letters are:

C for Corporation or Company , L for Limited , A for Association.

The best positions are usually in the first or in the 4th spot depending from the letter. For example E will be better in the first spot while L for Limited will be better in the 4th spot but all of these letters can add value.


Other special categories that attract a bonus are based on the numbers of vowels.
There are only 5 vowels so the LLLL.com with 4 vowels are extremely rare and even the ones with 3 vowels perform very well as their demand is high.

Some recent examples:

OEOV.com $56

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=110183807446&category0=&fvi=1


EOAJ.com $52

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=110183814160&category0=&fvi=1

CVCV & VCVC​

Let`s start from the TOP this time:

CVCV.com

all premium letters Like BIFE.com or DAGO.com

minimun......well here it is hard since prices increase quickly ....maybe $1,500 ?


CVCV.com with 1 bad letter like BIZE or DAQO.com about $800

CVCV.com with 1 bad and 1 average letters like NUQE.com or VAXO.com about $500

CVCV.com with 1 bad and 2 average letters like WUQA.com or ZOVU.com

about $300

It was right WUQA.com that made me realize that I forgot the 1 bad + 2 average ones. People reported that WUQA.com ended on TDNAM.com at $315 (end of October)

CVCV.com with 2 bad letters like QEZI.com or ZIXO.com about $400

CVCV.com with 2 bad letters and 1 average letter like QUZI.com or ZUXO.com about $300

CVCV.com with 2 bad and 2 average letters (MUST BE DOUBLE U) like QUZU.com or ZUXU.com about 300



Now let`s see the VCVC.com

all premium letters Like IFEB.com or AGOC.com about $1,000 ?

VCVC.com with 1 bad letter like IZEB or AQOC.com about $500

VCVC.com with 1 bad and 1 average letters like OZUD.com or AXUF.com about $300 - $350 (I sold OZUD.com on SEDO in August for $330)

VCVC.com with 2 bad letters like AXEZ.com or IQOX.com about $200

VCVC.com with 2 bad letters and 1 average letter like UXEZ.com or UXOQ.com about $100

VCVC.com with 2 bad and 2 average letters (MUST BE DOUBLE U) like UZUQ.com or UXUZ.com about 100



I`m currently taking input on the CVCV and the VCVC where Y is the last vowel.

The first recent example is this one:

OGYZ.com $57.99

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200157925898&category0=&fvi=1


I leave the CVVC and VCCV to others as I did not have much experience with them yet.


SALES OF RANDOM (NON PRONUNCIABLE) LLLL.COM AT OTHER VENUES:

SEDO.com​

Interesting Sedo Auctions show many crappy LLLL.com with bids

UPDATE: CHECK THE AUCTIONS BELOW THAT ARE NOW ALL ENDED....PRICES ARE GETTING SHOCKING!

zekh.com $120

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18336&tracked=&partnerid=

zeow.com $300

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18360&tracked=&partnerid=

ucnk.com $120

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18468&tracked=&partnerid=

ahlq.com $243

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18528&tracked=&partnerid=


hobf.com 100 Eur= $140

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18576&tracked=&partnerid=


jvbb.com 100 Eur=$140

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18693&tracked=&partnerid=

yvze.com 70 Euros=$105

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18730&tracked=&partnerid=


Are we already starting to see a minimun price of $100 for each LLLL.com ?


Please share your opinions on the one of the hottest niches of the domain market

Thank you

 

[raredn.com]

you see Shenron, there are people BLOWING AWAY $XX,XXX on .crap ehm...I mean .ASIA right now.

Other are regging:

PIZZApizzaPIZZADoYouWannaMyPizza.com/.net/.org/.info/.sh/.name/.asia/.whatever
Do not have great expectations of mankind

This is exactly what I see

Repped!

This says it all: "Do not have great expectations of mankind"

_________

 

[accent]

TIUI(dot)com

I keep getting mid XXX offers on this one, anybody see some extra attraction there? Yes, it is a nice triple premium with three vowels and repeating I's, borderline pronouncable. But it is getting a lot more attention than other domains that I have, that I consider better. Any guesses why?

(I am not planning to sell any LLLLs if I can help it, unless I get a crazy price, so I am just curious, and for future reference.)

 

[italiandragon]

TIUI(dot)com

I keep getting mid XXX offers on this one, anybody see some extra attraction there? Yes, it is a nice triple premium with three vowels and repeating I's, borderline pronouncable. But it is getting a lot more attention than other domains that I have, that I consider better. Any guesses why?

(I am not planning to sell any LLLLs if I can help it, unless I get a crazy price, so I am just curious, and for future reference.)

LLLL.com ending in I or O are the closest thing to LLL.com because many companies can use their LLL acronym plus Online or Inc.

 

[accent]

Only 4 of my LLLL.coms end in i or o!
Like several other factors, it seems that unless you are trying to get domains that have those features, you do not get them. Others have looked before you and reduced the quality of availables below what you would consider as you search for other factors. Two of mine came in a bulk purchase, and the other two I was not paying attention to exactly what I was buying.

What about ending in c for company? I have zero of those, despite c being one of the letters I was looking for. I do have a couple LL.la's with C in the second place.

 

[italiandragon]

Only 4 of my LLLL.coms end in i or o!
Like several other factors, it seems that unless you are trying to get domains that have those features, you do not get them. Others have looked before you and reduced the quality of availables below what you would consider as you search for other factors. Two of mine came in a bulk purchase, and the other two I was not paying attention to exactly what I was buying.

What about ending in c for company? I have zero of those, despite c being one of the letters I was looking for. I do have a couple LL.la's with C in the second place.

Certainly C,L,A,S,E are all great letters but I and O are above in my opinion.

Regarding .la , I better no comment.

 

[Pred]

Certainly C,L,A,S,E are all great letters but I and O are above in my opinion.

Regarding .la , I better no comment.

agree. with one exception
for uk businesses 'L is probably the best final letter you could have because of 'Limited'

 

[topdaytrader]

Anybody know how much VKKV.com worth?

 

[Andrei P.]

AG - are perfect ending for German domains
AG Aktiengesellschaft (German: stock corporation)

 

[bgmv]

Anybody know how much VKKV.com worth?

Alot. its a palindrome, very rare combo. The letters arent that great, no bad ones though. I would say high $XXX

 

[bricio]

So the reasons for names to drop are what? The owner...
4. is a committed naysayer and won't renew them on principal.

a smart naysayer wouldnt let it drop; he would renew it
as i said even a naysayer knows it is worth some money

i still prefer lower end L-L-L.com to lower end LLLL.com personally......

i second that

Tell me about it in 2010 when I see this scenario:

Premium LLL.com going for $50,000+ each
Worst LLL.com going for $20,000+ each

Premium LLLL.com going for $2,000+ each
Worst LLLL.com going for $500+ each

Premium LLLL.net going for $500+ each
(oh and yes LLLL.net have run out too by now...)

L-L-L.com going for 1/20 of LLL.com


That is......more or less what I expect by the end of 2010 , while the Worldwide Internet Penetration should go from the actual 20 % to about 30 % bringing in another 500 millions internet users.

i think this scenario regarding LLL.com and LLLL.com is possible
i really dont know about L-L-L.com and premium LLLL.net
but i really want this happen :tu:

the main factor to this happen is exactly the increase of internet penetration what will bring, of course, more end-users; i think people forget external factors sometimes when they are evaluating things (in this case, domains)

 

[Marck]

I've seen non-premium LLLL.com going for sub $40 prices on ebay this week.

 

[dalBono]

sasa.com would easily be worth 5 digits, imho.

agreed, it`s even a first name

Wondering the exact range price for it

its in low or high side?
Is something between $20k-30k a good price ? ( to buy then )

thank you

 

[DotWeekly]

I just wanted to let you guys know I put up HHEM(.)com in the fixed price section if anybody is interested. $450 buy it now. 1998 domain and is at Godaddy.

fixed price section

 

[FX]

can someone give me a value

it's a .com LAPR

Los Angeles Press Release or Los Angeles Public Relations

Would be perfect for a PR Company in LA

Has some very good Acronym's I've just picked the above ones out

 

[Andrei P.]

1000-4000$ to reseller. Can easily fit to this range to reseller, but you never knows. For me it's obviously better name than crappy or semi-crappy LLL.com

can someone give me a value

it's a .com LAPR

Los Angeles Press Release or Los Angeles Public Relations

Would be perfect for a PR Company in LA

Has some very good Acronym's I've just picked the above ones out

 

[Pred]

can someone give me a value

it's a .com LAPR

Los Angeles Press Release or Los Angeles Public Relations

Would be perfect for a PR Company in LA

Has some very good Acronym's I've just picked the above ones out

i love this. definitely hang onto this for an enduser, could be xx,xxx range

For me it's obviously better name than crappy or semi-crappy LLL.com

:bingo:

although they serve different functions

this domain for a pr firm in LA .............. well, it could go for a HUGE sum

 

[topdaytrader]

I can't even get any offer over $450. Should I just keep it?

Alot. its a palindrome, very rare combo. The letters arent that great, no bad ones though. I would say high $XXX

 

[DomainMagnate]

I can't even get any offer over $450. Should I just keep it?

450 is pretty good by current prices, I'd sell it for less even
I have wppw.com btw, which is a bit better

 

[FX]

Thank you Ergo and Arnie

Repped

 

[mntor]

DNPB.com - Domain Name Publication

XiKG.com - Xtra In KG (Site for Weight Addition/Reduction)

Please evaluate the names. Thanks.