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јр.com – I was a victim!

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Mods- leave it here or move it,but it is important.

Taken from my blog.

"You have seen the reported “sale” of јр.com xn--p1a1c.com for $1100
On contacting the new owner it transpires, that as we had guessed, he did not realize it was an IDN and in his words “I am a victim”.

Many of you will be aware that myself and others have been trying to get Sedo to take notice of these lookalike real English words that are in fact IDN this one “јр” being Serbo-Croat cyrillic.

I have no doubt that these names were created solely to confuse and part the unwary newbie from their money.

Currently the same Russian owner of јр.com (sorry ex owner) has these on Sedo, some had been on auction with the necessary one bid to get the name off and running.

ѕео.com Created 11th Dec 2011
аѕѕ.com Created 16th Nov 2011
арр.com Created 16th Nov 2011
есо.com Created 16th Nov 2011

More:

рі.com
ја.com
ѕі.com
хѕ.com
сі.com
іѕо.com
ріе.com
роѕ.com
еуе.com
рѕі.com

I hope nobody else has been caught out by this mutton purporting to be lamb!

Now you may say that the “buyer” should have been aware? But IDN are very new to the majority of the community and as pointed out these names are created simply to take advantage of this and already at least one person has been taken in by it. I am in fact sure he is not the first and will most definitely be the last.

Any chance the buyer could get recompense? Well Sedo will say we pointed out that the name(s) were IDN with a small logo to indicate that and on the auction page it refers to the punycode, a nice get out clause perhaps.

But wait, this seller has had a number of these recently registered names make it to auction. That of course requires an opening bid. I am willing to bet that each of those opening bids were either from the same person or new members signing up with the sole purpose to make a bid.

Yes, I am saying that I think that each of the names from this seller and similar names from other sellers currently on /or have been on Sedo auction are “shill bids”.

Now if that is the case Sedo had been advised on many occasions by myself and others what was going on and had done nothing about it. Sedo should look back at these names in question, check out the first bidder in each case, do a little sleuthing and show some transparency and let the community know if there is anything untoward going on or that they are satisfied that their current due diligence meets requirements.

If I was the buyer armed with this information I would be seeking legal advice at this point in time.

What do you think?"
 

eurorealtor

okre.com
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I would like to know, how many IDN Sedo buyers actually knew they were bidding on IDN, lately. The last mentioned jackpot.com is a little visible the letters "K" and "T" doesnt match to small letter in the middle and in the end, but jp.com / app.com / ass.com was totally confusing.

I have quiet few IDNs by Czech language and having problem to list them properly on my website, because I build my site by Blue Voda and there is no possible to use Czech language letters like č, ř, ž, ý, á, í, é, so the only way is put a sign "IDN" and enter a punycode in the listing detail.
 
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Not confusing at all...

"Important Notice:
This is an Internationalized Domain (IDN). Technically the domain is XN--N1A9B.COM."

If you cant see that or bother to question it you deserve to get burnt.

What if you're Japanese? And / or new to IDN? You think that's enough?
 
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And so we should let people and platforms take advantage of that?

No we should not. That's why we have a forum called NP to spread awareness. Its always a good practice to research before making any investment specially if your a newbie.
 
What if you're Japanese? And / or new to IDN? You think that's enough?

If your new to IDN yes its enough, if you read the warning and dont bother to look into it well too bad.

If your Japanese and cant read/understand english well you shouldnt be buying stuff from a site you cant even understand or at least get it translated to know wth you are buying.
 
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Here how the so auction looks, there an icon and a warning. Red letters would help.

rszso.jpg
 
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When you invest/buy domains, you need to do your homework. There are warnings that these are IDNs, red color or highlighted would help even more but again, there are warnings and people need to read and a domain going for those prices are another clue. I guess they'll learn.
 
But I have repeatedly suggested that I was deceived and a victim, Sedo ignored me.
Without my agreement SEDO opened a maddogdomains.com account, and transferred the IDN domain to it forcing me to complete this transaction.

that killed me more than anything else in all this scam about IDN names..

i dont get it.. if they opened account on Sedo name that would not force the buyer to complete anything - who cares about sedo opening accounts and transferring their stuff into them? "we opened an account for you, trasferred qwerty.zz there, now take it and pay tomorrow"?

..if they opened account on the buyer's name.. well, how could it be possible at all? isnt it illegal? i mean being unclear about IDN on the auction page is not illegal but kind of on the fence and all, and opening account on behalf of unaware person is a different story.. can someone please make it clear..
 
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..if they opened account on the buyer's name.. well, how could it be possible at all? isnt it illegal? i mean being unclear about IDN on the auction page is not illegal but kind of on the fence and all, and opening account on behalf of unaware person is a different story.. can someone please make it clear..

The domain is registered at MadDogDomains.

Likely what is going on is that the scumbag piece of $hit seller transferred the name to a Sedo account at Maddogdomains as part of escrow.

Sedo wants to transfer to the poor buyers account.

That's what I get out of it.
 
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The domain is registered at MadDogDomains.

Likely what is going on is that the scumbag piece of $hit seller transferred the name to a Sedo account at Maddogdomains as part of escrow.

Sedo wants to transfer to the poor buyers account.

That's what I get out of it.

From what the buyer told me that is correct.

He had already paid and was trying to get Sedo to look at the deal in more depth because of his error etc but Sedo just pushed the name anyway and said that's that.

At that point he was not even aware that a likely "shill bid" had helped to draw him in.

If Sedo let this and similar pass without investigation then I really don't know what to say. They had many many warnings of what was,and is,still going on.

And for those who say the "buyer' deserved it,shame on you!
 
Likely what is going on is that the scumbag piece of $hit seller transferred the name to a Sedo account at Maddogdomains as part of escrow.

Sedo wants to transfer to the poor buyers account.

cant the buyer reject the push and file something somewhere against Sedo? consumer protection laws not working in this case? ..well, thats rhetorical
 
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cant the buyer reject the push and file something somewhere against Sedo? consumer protection laws not working in this case? ..well, thats rhetorical

The contract is between buyer and seller and has been signed and agreed. Buyer has already paid Sedo.

I'm not sure what happens if they dispute payment with paypal - I'm not sure that paypal would care.


Interestingly enough, apparently SEDO doesn't understand anything about IDN and reports the sale as JP.com in their RSS feed and confuses everyone.

http://www.dotweekly.com/sedo-reporting-jp-com-sold-for-1100/

Last post for me on this subject .. it's clear that Sedo posts a warning. It's clear that the buyers are still getting screwed.
 
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..if they opened account on the buyer's name.. well, how could it be possible at all? isnt it illegal? i mean being unclear about IDN on the auction page is not illegal but kind of on the fence and all, and opening account on behalf of unaware person is a different story.. can someone please make it clear..

Answer:
5.2.3.3.1. Quick Transfer

In certain specialized cases, to effectuate a "quick" transfer, Sedo will conduct domain "pushes," which includes creating a domain registrar account on behalf of the Buyer, utilizing the contact information in the Buyer's User Account. Once the registrar account has been created, and the domain has been securely pushed from Seller's registrar account to the Buyer's registrar, Sedo's transfer agent will give the Buyer their respective registrar account information, including password and login details. Transfer of domain ownership is transfer of control of the domain, and once the Buyer has control over the purchased domain, he/she cannot claim that Sedo has not performed its duties under this User Agreement based solely on the fact that the domain is not at any specific domain registrar.

Also noteworthy:
5.1.3.3.1. Deleting Bids Made in Error

Sedo reserves the right to delete individual bids during the Auction Period if it believes that such bids were placed clearly erroneously, by mistake, or were determined not to be a bona fide firm offer. Mistake on the part of the User must be reasonably obvious. The User must communicate the mistake to Sedo, in writing and within a reasonable amount of time. Users may not claim mistake with the purpose of interfering with or circumventing the completion of a transaction. Sedo may suspend the User's account at anytime if the User is found to have placed a fraudulent bid during an Auction Period. In the event that Sedo invalidates a current high bid, the next highest bid, including the previous high bid, shall take the place of the active high bid with all due obligations should such bid remain the high bid at the close of the auction.
https://sedo.com/us/about-us/policies/terms-of-use/?tracked=&partnerid=&language=us
 
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curiously, арр.com still hasn't change hands.

same thing with аррѕ.com

regards,
tonecas

I guess the first "buyer" realised what he/she was getting and pulled out so Sedo will have banned a potential buyer.

Never mind, Sedo allowed it to go back on auction and drew in 9 bidders this time!

Bidding History:
арр.com

Winning Bid:
6,255 USD

Reserve met!

Winning Bidder:

Bidder 4

Auction ended:

Mar/12/12 09:32 AM CET
 
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