Interesting info on Moniker

[nt]

Ladies and Gentlemen:

I invite you to visit Moniker's website (www.moniker.com): it says, in several of its sections, that "Moniker is the first and only provider of Domain Asset Management":

http://www.moniker.com/pressreleases/moniker-pr-2007-05-16.jsp (dated May 2007)
http://www.moniker.com/pressreleases/moniker-pr-2007-04-11.jsp (dated April 2007)

Consider also these advertisements by or about Moniker in massmedia, with same claims everywhere: it seems they just like it very-very much to be "the first and only provider of Domain Asset Management":

http://news.websitegear.com/view/22267 (claim from October 2007)
http://news.websitegear.com/view/24463 (claim from October 2007)
http://namemedia.com/?p=45 (claim from September 2007)
http://news.thomasnet.com/companystory/532983 (claim from September 2007)

(As you can see, Moniker published this false claim even in Thomas Register's publication. I will explain later why this claim is false).

http://www.domaininformer.com/news/press/070731Moniker.html (claim from July 2007)

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m4PRN/is_2007_July_20/ai_n19377842 (claim from July 2007)

There are many more news that can be found with this false claim from Moniker. Also note that they enclose this false statement with about every of their email messages.

It looks like Moniker is trying to deceive the domain world. Moniker says they have a trademark for "DOMAIN ASSET MANAGEMENT". But, this does NOT mean being the ONLY Domain Asset Management firm, as Moniker falsefully claims: since the concept of Domain Asset Management may be expressed in different terms and wordings. There are other domain firms providing same kind of services.

So, what Moniker has is only Trademarks, which are in fact REGISTERED WORDINGS THAT ONE WANTS TO USE FOR SOME EXISTING CONCEPTS/GOODS/SERVICES. Other firms provide services similar to Domain Asset Management, under different names. Moniker may call them "Domain Asset Management" (DAM) if they want. Moniker LIES to clients when telling them that Moniker is the only DAM provider. I guess the cleints may need some really big DAM against Moniker.


Alex Tajirian, owner of DomainMart, a renowned domain seller, who started his firm back in 1996, and originator of many domain marketing ideas, points out that Moniker is committing two serious errors with regard to Moniker engaging in Domain Asset Management. He says, "Although I am not an attorney, they are defining "Domain Asset Management" as a "service mark" that encompasses all domain name activity, not in the common sense of understanding management of assets. Moreover, he claims Moniker doing business since 1995. Well, that contradicts my claiming that DomainMart was the first online domain secondary market in 1996. However, online records at ttp://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.moniker.com show that they started in 2001, while DomainMart started in 1996
(http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.domainmart.com)."

You can read this article in ICANNWIKI on DomainMart: http://icannwiki.org/DomainMart

DomainMart established the first domain name marketplace in 1996. Currently it is an industry leader in providing domain-name secondary-market products and consulting services, including appraisal, escrow, private investment management accounts, protection, valuation, and parking traffic monetization management.

Hope nobody is gonna doubt that ICANNWIKI is a trustworthy source.

It well looks like the trademarks for Domain Asset Management are used by Moniker in error, with claims that they are the only provider for this kind of services.


Another important issue:

Moniker also claim that they have about 1/2 of domain sales market.

There are some reasons to doubt that Moniker sold domains in those high amounts, with so many lies that were discovered above. But if even Moniker did, it does not imply that Moniker are the world's biggest domain seller. If such and such journal (DN Journal, to be more precise) publishes SOME domain sales figures, and if %50 of them belong to Moniker, this is not gonna mean that Moniker is the world's biggest domain seller with %50 of sales, like claimed. Maybe (MAYBE) Moniker is indeed the world's biggest seller, who knows, BUT Moniker do NOT have %50 share of the domain sales market, like they falsefully claim.

The fact that some magazine reported that Moniker makes %50 of sales does NOT mean that Moniker makes %50 in reality -- just because that magazine cannot report all sales made. This is one more false statement often made by Moniker.

But, let us suppose that this magazine "reports all domain sales" and your company have %50 there. In financial terms, this does not automatically imply that Moniker are the biggest domain seller in the world. Explanation: for example, Moniker made 10 sales and "all others" made 10 sales as "reported by DN Journal"; this does NOT imply that the 10 sales made by Moniker are approximately equal, in financial terms, to the 10 sales made by the others. Moniker's 10 sales could be worth let us say $100K and the other 10 sales made by others could be about $400K, so how does it happen that Moniker has %50 of the domain sales market? Not speaking of the sales not reported by DN Journal.


Some of you gentlemen may be wondering, was I personally somehow "offended" by Moniker? I can tell you the following:

1) One does not need to be somehow personally offended by a company (as Monte Cahn worded it out in his message to me, "have an acid reflex reaction") in order to reveal their wrongdoings. If a company, whether a well-advertised or not so well advertised, does something wrong, and if one knows about it, it is one's right to reveal it to the public.

2) It is false advertisements that brought Moniker the many clients wanting to sell their domains via Moniker rather than via other sellers. I have to tell you, several other domain selling firms can do that no worse; but Moniker overwhelmed the domain world with their false advertisements and "calculations" of the mythical "%50 share" of the market.

If you check Moniker's company history and financial background, you can reveal many interesting things about them.


Copies of Moniker's and Alex Tijirian's messages to me available upon request.

Thanks for your attention to this matter, gentlemen.

Rebecca Rowling

 

[cache]

interesting post, someone from moniker at this board should reply to this.

 

[Broker]

How many times and in how many forums are you going to post this in? You really have nothing better to do?

 

[HBK216]

Sounds like someone has nothing better to do & nitpick at stuff. I am sure you are 100% perfect in all of your business claims aren't you Rebecca?

 

[Alex]

What a great voluntary work .. and I guess all done without any agenda ....

 

[Keynes]

Yawn. Next.

 

[Devil_Dog]

Yawn. Next.

Word. I want my 3 minutes and 36 seconds back.

Anyway, Moniker already replied to this diatribe on another forum weeks ago.

 

[TheBulldog]

and I care because........?

 

[TT]

Rebecca

Last time I looked my bank manager nor a Judge did not consider a domain an "ASSET" and niether does the tax man for that matter.

Just figured I would point this out since we are talking about minut facts

 

[accent]

They are puffing a bit - "Domain Asset Management" is a bit high faluting - but they can coin a phrase and say they are the only ones who do that, same as Colgate is the only one with "Guardal" and Shell has "Tecron". And "My dog is better than yours".

 

[Mark]

Bah - Same guy spammed similar stuff a few weeks back (Deleted - because it really was spammed all over the site) .... Seems to be just hunting for something to tarnish Moniker "IMO".

I'll leave it here though "closed" - If Monte or any Reps want to respond fine .... If not - Let it fade away.

 

[nt]

Moniker's low credit score

Gentlemen:

I just discovered, from a reputable source, that Moniker's credit score is only 72 (C-level), which is astonishingly low for a company of their size and claimed influence. See this thread dealing with their claims of being company with "%50 of world's domain sales" and their false advertisement as being "the first and only provider of "Domain Asset Management": http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/415512-interesting-info-on-moniker.html.


Interested domainers may want to check their corporate background and personal backgrounds of their team (ex. Monte Cahn), which could discover more interesting finds about them. I guess Monte deserves this, since he claimed the following in response to this subject (as discussed in the thread above:

"I am surprised that this has continued and made it to the forum...what a waste of time and I stand by our/my claim to have created the entire domain asset management market for the industry. I did this out of my bedroom in 1995 and continued this theme and mission through today and will continue."

Notice how Monte "did" this "out of his bedroom". Something extremely wrong is going on with his reply. Hope he didn't lie to his employers regarding his education and success story as many times as he did in this sole response.


Now let me respond to some of objections in this thread (excluding non-serious remarks made by HBK216, Keynes, Devil_Dog, and TheBulldog):

User TT wrote: "Last time I looked my bank manager nor a Judge did not consider a domain an "ASSET" and niether does the tax man for that matter.

Just figured I would point this out since we are talking about minut facts"

Response: I don't know what "minut" is, but in general you are right. If domain is not an asset, according to the opinions of these high-ranked individuals, then Moniker's false ad (that they are "the first and only provider of Domain Asset Management") should be considered a double violation of fair advertising principles.

User accentnepal presented the most interesting response: "They are puffing a bit - "Domain Asset Management" is a bit high faluting - but they can coin a phrase and say they are the only ones who do that, same as Colgate is the only one with "Guardal" and Shell has "Tecron". And "My dog is better than yours"."

Response: It will take me a little bit to explain what the difference is between Techron (not "Tecron") and "Domain Asset Management" in this context. Techron is Chevron's PATENT, while "Domain Asset Management" is Moniker's TRADEMARK, that is a REGISTERED WORDINGS THAT ONE WANTS TO USE FOR SOME EXISTING CONCEPTS/GOODS/SERVICES that he/she/their company offers. Hope everyone can see the difference between patents and trademarks. Since Chevron has a patent for Techron, they CAN claim themselves to be the sole offeror of Techron. Since Moniker does NOT have a patent for Domain Asset Management, they CANNOT claim that they are the sole offeror of these services.

Hope everyone now can see why I called their advertisements, stating that they are "the first and only provider of "Domain Asset Management", FALSE.

Now, let me repeat myself, as per the thread which link I posted above:

Other firms provide services similar to Domain Asset Management, under different names. Moniker may call those services "Domain Asset Management" (DAM) if they want. But, Moniker LIES to clients when telling them that Moniker is the only DAM provider. I guess the clients may need some really big dam against Moniker.

Alex Tajirian, owner of DomainMart, a renowned domain seller, who started his firm back in 1996, and originator of many domain marketing ideas, points out that Moniker is committing two serious errors with regard to Moniker engaging in Domain Asset Management. He says, "Although I am not an attorney, they are defining "Domain Asset Management" as a "service mark" that encompasses all domain name activity, not in the common sense of understanding management of assets. Moreover, he claims Moniker doing business since 1995. Well, that contradicts my claiming that DomainMart was the first online domain secondary market in 1996. However, online records at ttp://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.moniker.com show that they started in 2001, while DomainMart started in 1996
(http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.domainmart.com)."

You can read this article in ICANNWIKI on DomainMart: http://icannwiki.org/DomainMart

DomainMart established the first domain name marketplace in 1996. Currently it is an industry leader in providing domain-name secondary-market products and consulting services, including appraisal, escrow, private investment management accounts, protection, valuation, and parking traffic monetization management.

Hope nobody is gonna doubt that ICANNWIKI is a trustworthy source.

Update: if someone wants to know, just where I have found that Moniker has a low credit score, feel free to PM me.

 

[Acroplex]

Wow.

 

[abcproductions]

please tell us what business experience you have had with Moniker that has motivated you to post these negative remarks about the company. i don't know if your post is true...it may be or maybe not...but, either way, it is less important to me than your reason for posting it. and please don't say you're simply trying to enlighten the rest of us and are concerned about who we deal with. come clean and tell us why you don't like Monte and Moniker. enough with the pussyfooting around.

 

[mhdoc]

Since Moniker just got bought out and the company that bought them just raised 150 million from an established venture fund, the whole rant seemed pretty silly.