Interesting article on .pro domains

[AdoptableDomains]

Here's an interesting article today.

Shambles at the .Pro Registry

Here are some snippets from the Article at Circle ID:

Registration of .Pro domains has descended into shambles as the Registry responsible for their administration has allowed a flood of domain registrations which appear to be in breach of the strict rules restricting who can register a .pro domain and the certified credentials required before any such domain can work....

It is to be hoped that, in the present debacle, the Advisory Board will intervene and liaise with ICANN over what appears to be a "violation of the restrictions" on .pro registrations.

The action open to ICANN and RegistryPro includes the right to terminate these uncertified registrations on the grounds that they violate the conditions for registration...

Furthermore (and this provides the likely resolution of this problem): "Any domain that has been registered for 60 days without successful confirmation of such eligibility may be deleted by the Registry Operator. There shall be no refund of fees paid for such deleted names."...

I call on ICANN and RegistryPro to immediately de-activate all recent domain names which lack digital certification, and I advise that after a 60-day period these registrations should then be cancelled...

 

[gidomain]

You sure have made a colorful entrance into the community. Welcome sir!

I appreciate that. I think it's important you know who is important and who is not when it comes to written articles. Richard Henderson is someone you should not worry about. Brett Fausett, tied with ICANN, and is a lawyer, and writes a domain blog is someone you shouldn't be worried about. Funny story: He purchased www.internet.pro and is using it as a podcasting site. Very professional wouldn't you say!!

No you really have to do your homework when people start throwing around articles. Everyone is motivated by greed. Eventually, you'll find what it is that is motivating them if you now how to look for things via Google.

It's a fact, and I'll admit that I too am greedy for wanting an "open-restricted" dot pro space. Adoptable Domains, although a good domainer is greedy because he doesn't want an "open-restricted" space, especially if it takes off. The truth is always revealed in the number of times you post on something.

NOTE: I like what Tom Barrett (CEO, Encirca) had to say in response to Fausett's blog, dated 3/21/05:


"Since second level registrations were approved last August, ICANN now allows for registrations such as "hamburger.pro" or "icecream.pro". There is no presumption regarding professional credentials or services for "icecream.pro"

http://blog.lextext.com/blog/_archi...389.html#238041

 

[AdoptableDomains]

It's a fact, and I'll admit that I too am greedy for wanting an "open-restricted" dot pro space. Adoptable Domains, although a good domainer is greedy because he doesn't want an "open-restricted" space, especially if it takes off. The truth is always revealed in the number of times you post on something.

I'm Greedy? I don't own a .pro, and don't really intend to. Maybe I'm missing something here. I'm just trying to protect our industry from the bad press and being typcast as cybersquatters. It would seem to me that Encirca is the greedy one splitting hairs on the wording of the ICANN agreement to sell domains and possibly cause more bad press for domainers who the mainstream press will call cybersquatters. I also hate to see newbies snatch up a bunch of names they could lose later or not realize the pricey renewals they will have next year on a domain for which they are not even technically the registrant. As a newbie a number of years back when new.net launched, I speculated on some new.net domains in hopes ICANN would eventually accept them or they would successfully apply as newTLD's. Bad gamble, and I think this one isn't too far off that mark.

I'm not against an open .pro TLD, but I think a lot of true professionals who paid hundreds or thousands to have a private niche should be able to do so based on the original promises. If like .name, it just doesn't finanially work, then by all means amend the agreement and open it up fairly to all registrars. I don't think you have to be a rocket scientist to see this wasn't the real intent of registrypro or ICANN. There's a right and wrong way to go about things, and I think encrica is going about this wrongly.

I don't think my comments have anything to do with greed, but more to do with the integrity, trust, ethics, and good faith often lacking in this industry.

 

[marisolblue]

This was a good point made by adoptable about how they may amend their agreement based on how their business model may change. I do not see much value with the .pro extension, maybe others will

 

[gidomain]

I'm not against an open .pro TLD, but I think a lot of true professionals who paid hundreds or thousands to have a private niche should be able to do so based on the original promises.

AD--I have a psychology background. Everyone is motivated by "greed" or let me put it in "softer terms"...Everyone is motivated by "Inner Desires".

You sir, have posted many times regarding the "facts" as they are. When someone does that they are trying to "prove" their point. One or two posts, I can see to ensure everyone is "aware" of a ICANN registar agreement with the Dot Pro registry, but you've posted "many" times which makes it more of a personal thing, hence my synopsis of why you are posting on the "Nay" side to what Encirca is doing.

Btw: .Pro was dead prior to 3/2/05--- See for youreself.

http://www.icann.org/tlds/monthly-reports/pro/registrypro-200411.pdf

So you don't really have a big group of people out there who will suffer at the hands of the new dot pro owners. It is the new registrants who breathed in new life to this registry so that the 3rd level .pro stringers can live another day.

 

[AdoptableDomains]

AD--I have a psychology background. Everyone is motivated by "greed" or let me put it in "softer terms"...Everyone is motivated by "Inner Desires".

Actually, I just like a good healthy (non-flaming) debate, and don't just jump on the latest bandwagon. (can't you tell) I did look to see what was available, but I'm a skeptic. I saw flaws on what was being done, and think they should be known and discussed. This is a discussion forum, isn't it?

You sir, have posted many times regarding the "facts" as they are. When someone does that they are trying to "prove" their point.

Yep.

One or two posts, I can see to ensure everyone is "aware" of a ICANN registar agreement with the Dot Pro registry, but you've posted "many" times which makes it more of a personal thing, hence my synopsis of why you are posting on the "Nay" side to what Encirca is doing.

Actually, I'll bet most people who quickly registered had never read the registry agreeement in detail, or encirca's .pro and general TOS, or looked to see what loopholes encirca was exploiting and how they alone were doing this.

Btw: .Pro was dead prior to 3/2/05--- See for youreself.

http://www.icann.org/tlds/monthly-r...ypro-200411.pdf

No argument here, but that still doesn't invalidate the terms of the sTLD.

So you don't really have a big group of people out there who will suffer at the hands of the new dot pro owners. It is the new registrants who breathed in new life to this registry so that the 3rd level .pro stringers can live another day.

But who would have the upper hand in enforcing the legal contract even if only one against thousands...biglawfirm.law.pro or pornmerchant.pro?

Yes, .pro is destined to be a failure at least reg numbers-wise in its past state. However, justifying pillaging without changing the registry contract is about like justifying that it's okay to steal from a house just because the doors were left unlocked.

To me, if a company exploits a (perceived) loophole like this, I wouldn't trust them that they might not later exploit a loophole in their agreement that even though they are the registrant, you own rights to the name. Their TOS doesn't really address this to my satisfaction.

I guess we'll see how things shake out, and if I'm wrong, you can say "I told you so".

 

[-db-]

...I just like a good healthy (non-flaming) debate....

I'm going off-topic, but just wanted to say Amen to that. And it's one of the reasons this forum stays open in my browser so long, and so often. This place has a very friendly, welcoming feeling. I have enough stress in my life. I come here to enjoy domains and friends.

This thread for instance, I'm enjoying very much.

OK, back the .PRO discussion.

 

[gidomain]

I guess we'll see how things shake out, and if I'm wrong, you can say "I told you so".

I would never do that. As I've stated I'm driven by what motivates me. From where I'm standing I do not see any downside with dot pro. If I am wrong, then I'll be the first to admit it.

 

[-db-]

The biggest downside I see, is that I jumped ship and sold the only two I had. Haha!

They were nice too.....

Webmasters.PRO // Script.PRO

Kinda wish I had them back.

 

[snoopi]

The biggest downside I see, is that I jumped ship and sold the only two I had. Haha!

They were nice too.....

Webmasters.PRO // Script.PRO

Kinda wish I had them back.

Unbelievable...

 

[-db-]

SnoopDog, it was before I knew you were looking.

I would have glady hooked you up, brother.

Heck, I'm looking for you now!

 

[snoopi]

SnoopDog :lol:

Looking forward to it :blink: :talk:

Thanks -db-