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shilmy

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Hi,

Do any of you has regularly sell your domain to end users? If so, do you mind share with me in this thread on how find potential end users for your domain?

Regards,
Sjarief
 
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JoshuaPz said:
If you guys think some of your replies to sales pitches have been harsh, check out this one I received this morning:
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Sorry your out of dam mind to think any one will pay that much for that domain name. This industry does not have anyone that would want to pay that much for that domain. All the people doing [...] are very small business people except for a couple. I am one of the largest companies and I would not even looking at it when I can buy similar domain for less money. I don't need a name like [...].com because I can set up a web site with a similar name and get the same results as far as search engines go. As far as your figures go you are way off on how much money is generated in the business. You have no clue and are just trying to make a bunch of money selling a domain that will not produce what you say it will. You can keep the domain as far as I am concerned an I will be telling others not to suck into your bullshit. Bernie

Whoa! Bernie must be having a very bad day/week!
:notme:

Good luck man
 
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Gee! some good tips/advice mentioned here..thanks to everyone that contributed!
 
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It was actually a non-profit organization. They were upset because they felt we had come to an agreement to sell them my domain for $XXX (though nothing I'd said expressed any agreement to a deal), then a company came along and offered me $XXX + $100. I returned to the original non-profit asking if they wished to top that, then its members broke out into a rage because they felt we already had a deal / they held some sort of "divine right" to this domain, and one of the members in particular threatened to engage in a public slander campaign of me. Now I'm working to clean up the mess.

PM me for details. Disclosing names publicly would be descending to their level.

Chef Patrick said:
wow, very interesting. would you be willing to share the company you tried selling to? i'm very curious to who would blog about such a thing.
 
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JoshuaPz said:
It was actually a non-profit organization. They were upset because they felt we had come to an agreement to sell them my domain for $XXX (though nothing I'd said expressed any agreement to a deal), then a company came along and offered me $XXX + $100. I returned to the original non-profit asking if they wished to top that, then its members broke out into a rage because they felt we already had a deal / they held some sort of "divine right" to this domain, and one of the members in particular threatened to engage in a public slander campaign of me. Now I'm working to clean up the mess.

PM me for details. Disclosing names publicly would be descending to their level.
ahhh ok non-profit org, it is all making sense to me now. plus it always get hairy when you go back asking for more. hopefully they will use their energy for good instead of useless backlashes against a domainer. i mean geez, they are non-profit, lol.
 
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Chef Patrick said:
ahhh ok non-profit org, it is all making sense to me now. plus it always get hairy when you go back asking for more. hopefully they will use their energy for good instead of useless backlashes against a domainer. i mean geez, they are non-profit, lol.

People aren't necessarily good people just because they work at a nonprofit. There are plenty of nonprofits out there out for their own good mostly. I say this as someone who is close friends with an analyst at the Better Business Bureau's charity watchdog division, she tells me stories about crooked nonprofits all the time. I'm not necessarily saying this is the case here, but I think people are well served to be skeptical about charities too, in case you ever decide to give.

Josh, sorry to hear you're going through this. Hopefully it'll be cleared up soon and you can stop wasting your energy on this sort of thing.

I wanted to post a quick request for this thread, as much for myself as anyone else reading. I think lately this thread has turned into more of a "report domain sales" rather than a "how-to" on enduser sales and I'd like to try to turn the focus back to real information we can all use to help each other build our businesses. What I'm going to do, and what I'd like to request others consider doing, is when you post here to report an enduser success (which we should be doing!), consider posting a case study along with it. By this I mean, soup to nuts, how it happened. Where'd you get the domain, what'd you pay for it (generally -- $XX is fine here), how'd you go about prospecting, what was the response and how did you finally settle on a price, etc.

I'm going to start the ball rolling with the last one I reported: Fxxx/ Magazine /com.

I purchased the domain at TDNAM for low $XX, knowing exactly who I would be marketing the name to, after having searched through Google. There were two companies with magazines with the exact same name that had worse domain names (both were hyphenated, and one was hyphenated AND in the .DE extension).

I sent emails to both places. One responded. The other never did. The one that responded said they were a small outfit that put their magazine out as a hobby, basically, and that they didn't have much money. I answered back with a $200 asking price but made it clear that I was open to negotiations. They countered with $150. I accepted their deal. A week later the domain was pushed and money was in my account.

This was a fairly risky buy since there were only two potential endusers and one was obviously a hobbyist affair, even though they were both extremely targeted as likely buyers. But I viewed the purchase price as the chance to try to make a sale, rather than money down the drain in the event that I didn't. I would recommend you have more than two real prospects, though.

ripley.
 
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In another thread that I started, I caught a non-profit organisation's domain name because they were dumb enough to let it drop.
I caught the domain name, they approached me and I gave them a price. They felt it was too expensive and began to slander me, along the lines of "lowlife", "despicable", "deplorable" , in their blog.

I found a lot of these "Non-profit" organisations think that they have a divine right just because who they are and everyone should give them special treatment.
 
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allanh said:
In another thread that I started, I caught a non-profit organisation's domain name because they were dumb enough to let it drop.
I caught the domain name, they approached me and I gave them a price. They felt it was too expensive and began to slander me, along the lines of "lowlife", "despicable", "deplorable" , in their blog.

I found a lot of these "Non-profit" organisations think that they have a divine right just because who they are and everyone should give them special treatment.

Bottom line: They could have retained the domain forever at no extra cost to them if they'd just renewed it. Their own mistake cost them the money, and whenever there's blame to be assigned, folks will go out of their way to point fingers elsewhere.

ripley.
 
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I do not know about what kind of non profit organisations you guys are talking and I understand that people in the top of non-profit organisations make big money sometimes.(this differs greatly by country as well)
Still I think that it does not hurt to be considerate to volunteers/low payed employees who have a heart for a certain cause and who do their best to keep non profit organisations running and I understand perfectly well that people who in their mind are "trying to help others" get upset with people who do not take their cause in consideration and are in their eyes non working selfish speculators.

Personally I differentiate between small non profit organisations with mainly volunteers and the big ones with highly paid staff(like national cancer organisations/red cross type of deals.
I would sell my bread cheaper to an animal shelter or give it to them if I were a baker like many of you would, so why not be considerate if a volunteer run non profit organisation wants a domain.
On the other hand any organisation with a staff member that makes more than double the minimum wage gets anything from me.
That clubs like that forget to renew domains is also understandable because of responsibilities which are not always clear.

You may lose money, but it does not hurt to be considerate now and then.
Even some government run organisations deserve leniency if people with their heart on the right place run it.

Maybe if one mentions which type of non-profit oganisation we are dealing with it becomes more clear what type of action is advisable.

How this all started is about a deal where one party(no matter whether profit or not) thinks they have a deal and the other thinks they do not.
If I think have a deal and the opposing party approaches me a week later as "supposedly" he "suddenly" got a better offer I would like to "kill the guy" (and perhaps venture the anger like they did is better for joshua), so I do not see why it is so weird that they are upset,no matter who is right.
Even if I would not have the deal yet I would be upset as I would believe the opposing party is lying as the opposing party "suddenly" got a better offer, perhaps not saying from whom and not possible to verify things.

I am not saying Joshua did anything wrong , but looking at how the other party might perceive things does not hurt either, unless you are always out for the kill.

And yes I am a piece of shit often and no saint, pretending to be a humanitarian or better than others
 
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Just closed today: Etched / Image / com - $250

As promised, another case study.

I picked this up as an expired domain. After using Google and Yahoo to research endusers, I sent out about 30 emails to various prospects on Tuesday. One answered right away and told me outright no thanks. One emailed me with some interest, and I quoted him a buy-it-now price of $399, but made it clear that I was open to offers otherwise. Today (Friday), he emailed offering me $250. Minutes later someone else I had emailed called me directly, asked a few traffic-related questions (there isn't any to speak of) and decided against the domain. A few minutes later, I accepted the $250 offer.

I probably could have held out for more, it's a decent enough name, but why bother? These were the most likely end users I could find, it's a significant ROI and he was my best prospect.

And that's how that went. Money just cleared.

ripley.
 
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allanh said:
In another thread that I started, I caught a non-profit organisation's domain name because they were dumb enough to let it drop.
I caught the domain name, they approached me and I gave them a price. They felt it was too expensive and began to slander me, along the lines of "lowlife", "despicable", "deplorable" , in their blog.

I found a lot of these "Non-profit" organisations think that they have a divine right just because who they are and everyone should give them special treatment.
Scary...I have five really good non-profit related domain names. Hmmm, any of you guys want to sell them for me? You can have the headache and part of the profit :)
 
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ripley said:
I had one lady to tell me to "take my scam elsewhere."
D-:

It made me laugh though, honestly. Then there was the guy who countered my price with 10 pounds. ...........

ripley.

lol...I once offered a guy a one word ccTLD domain to get the reply back "I wouldn't pay $5 for that domain. And that was after I have him my xx,xxx pricetag.
 
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ripley said:
Just closed today: Etched / Image / com - $250

As promised, another case study.

I picked this up as an expired domain. After using Google and Yahoo to research endusers, I sent out about 30 emails to various prospects on Tuesday. One answered right away and told me outright no thanks. One emailed me with some interest, and I quoted him a buy-it-now price of $399, but made it clear that I was open to offers otherwise. Today (Friday), he emailed offering me $250. Minutes later someone else I had emailed called me directly, asked a few traffic-related questions (there isn't any to speak of) and decided against the domain. A few minutes later, I accepted the $250 offer.

I probably could have held out for more, it's a decent enough name, but why bother? These were the most likely end users I could find, it's a significant ROI and he was my best prospect.

And that's how that went. Money just cleared.

ripley.

Congrats on your sale :)

Which service have you used for transaction?
Sedo/Escrow.com/Moniker Escrow ?
 
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i can't find end users buyer for my domains :'(:'(:'(
 
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mrdomainman said:
Congrats on your sale :)

Which service have you used for transaction?
Sedo/Escrow.com/Moniker Escrow ?

I generally give buyers the choice of Sedo or good old fashioned PayPal. Most so far prefer to just use PayPal. I don't insist on Sedo escrow unless the amount is above $500.

ripley.
 
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mrdomainman said:
Congrats on your sale :)

Which service have you used for transaction?
Sedo/Escrow.com/Moniker Escrow ?

wire transfer generally, sometimes Sedo/Escrow/Paypal
 
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A question that just crossed my mind - is it necessary to have a website when selling to end-users? Do they expect a web presence ? And if so does it have to be an impressive website or would a blog suffice ?
 
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I think if you have a website, there is a higher chance of you selling the site (and domain) to an end user.
 
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I doubt they would care about a domain name having content per se, however anytime you can build a site enough that it's getting traffic, the domain's value increases. Not because of the content you stuck there (necessarily), but because of the traffic associated.

ripley.
 
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I doubt that.
For another domainer this sounds logical. More traffic is better, more clicks.
An enduser may be more concerned about the negative impact a previous website on the domain may have had. I would rather buy a brand new site, unless.
Maybe bad for image having a so-so website before.
As an enduser I would like to have a domain which had a great website on it before and not a mfa site like most domainers tend to build in one way or the other.
Content is seen as an expense by domainers, not so much as an investment.

Obviously the website builders will not agree.
 
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I didn't mean a website relating to the name I'm selling - I just meant a website in general i.e. domaintraders .com or something of the sort to show that you are serious and have a web presence

On another note I just got my first "we will pass on this opportunity" reply -up until now I haven't had a reply from anybody - so it's a first !
 
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