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How many of you got RICH investing in .com names in 2020 - 2021? Let's discuss.

Those of you who know me know also that when it comes to .com names, my personal thinking is that it is too late for most people to invest in them.

Saying that I would like to be corrected if the above opinion is wrong. It might be possible that you invested in .com name in some period between the years 2020 - 2021, and got successful?

Please share your stories, and persuade hardcore new gTLD investors like me that .com is still relevant.

Thank you :)
 
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How many people got rich investing in .com in (1) year? Probably not many.

It is kinda of a silly and misleading question to ask. This is not a get rich quick scheme.

How many people ever get rich with domains? Very few.

I do agree as time goes on, and resale prices go up, there tends to be fewer good opportunities.

How many people have got rich selling new gTLD ever? It has been (7) years now.

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In the 5 or 6 years I have been investing in domain names, I have seen my revenue increase substantially year after year. And I don't do anything to sell them other than list them and put on landers.

For example, this year (2021) I have seen steady cumulative sales above 10 per month. Last year (2020) is was about 5k average per month. 2019 was about 4k average per month with NJ auctions. 2018 was about 3k per month.

Have I gotten rich....no. Have I closed my business to become a full-time domain seller....no. Am I extremely pleased with progress and sales....absolutely. Was I ever looking to become rich from domains....no. Do I believe I will enjoy spending 100% of my time domaining during retirement....yes.

My domain portfolio is profitable for sure. That's what matters to me.

I love managing my domain portfolio. I like analyzing the traffic each month, the inquiries, registering and buying new names, etc. For me, it's a passion. The money is wonderful validation of my intuition.
 
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It all depends on what one considers as rich. I'm probably rich, though I'm living a simple life. I like comfy but most rich people are spending on luxury which I feel as mostly pointless unless it has a very practical benefit to me.

I'm rich by my own and local standards. I'm not rich by US standards for example. Where I live (Eastern Europe) I can currently buy an apartment with one year's worth of domain profits. High 5-fig in euros. That's not very much, but it's something. Everyone around me thinks I'm rich. So I might be, at least per local standards. I must also say that I currently have other business bringing another good portion of cash per year. Domains just add up. I have no financial stress for the future - that makes a person rich in today's world, I think. How many are able to say that with 100% certainty.

I'm able to have enough personal time, and get the things I want and able to pay studies for my kid at the best university in London. That makes a dad rich, I think. I have people working for me on all things including domains, so I save time. That's a business, where you don't do everything.

2020 was the year when I broke into profit with domains. I must say that I'm a long time businessman so I knew what I was getting into. Did some well balanced projections from the start. They matched the reality afterwards, and still do.

In the first couple years I've burned money - to learn fast. I had a budget and knew exactly what I was doing. My only drawback was lack of names' experience. So I had to beat that - the fastest, the better. Time is the most precious thing.

I always work with a budget. Business has taught me over the years that you cannot make a business without a budget. Because money is made with money. Anyway - domains, I knew it was worth it for me, right from the start. I had that special feeling that although I don't know enough about it yet, I'm born to do this. Be a domainer.

In the old days I used to own and flip some 4L .coms but then I got out of that. So for me it's a return to a business I've ignored for about 15 years or so. Been busy to do other things meantime.

But the most important thing in m model is precise business projection. Which so far has never been wrong, again due to experience over years in doing that.

I know for sure that in a couple years I'll be into solid 6-fig range in profit and looking up to final goal of exceeding 1M / annum. Have had one of the fastest sales growth ever in domains, I think. There was some calculation here in one of the posts (don't remember exactly which) about how and how much you can grow in domains over the years. I checked against that and my growth rate was far better. I'm looking at domains as a business, not a side gig, not a personal investment, although that is also fine for others - everyone has their own approach, goals and situation. (Edit: Funny competition thing, I have friends doing that 1M+ per annum in business profits so I can't wait to match them sooner and celebrate over a bottle of fine drinks. In fact I've already told'em I'm all set to get past them and right in front of the pack).

My model is multi-segmented, I have all sorts of domains in different tlds. So you can't really put me in a given category as I'm all over the place. I make profit in most of these segments. I lose money in some. This year I'll be losing about 15-20k (estimated) in various tests, but assumed losses. But overall even with that small loss I will still be nice profit. In fact I am already.

My next immediate goal is to reach $1k/day in sales. I'm not there yet but it is approaching. Each day there is improvement, each day I make some progress. When I started this could not fathom how much you can learn in domains. Now each day I find out there's even more to learn than I could figure out the day before.

I sell at all prices, and any price. I sell daily, and sometimes hourly. 4-fig, 3-fig, even 2-fig clearances. It depends. Haven't sold 5-fig yet but I have some and there's time for that. I keep money rolling. I don't get in love with any of my domains. Everything is for sale. Make me an offer, you might get lucky.

Often I sell a 4-fig domain for 3-fig and people tell me I undersold it badly. Believe me, I know. But I also know exactly what I am doing. I'm keeping cashflow good, and with that domain I can buy tens of other domains like it. There is still a ton of domain value to purchase, catch of even hand reg if you know what you're doing. So I have a ton of volume - much more than I could renew, unless you do the math right and have that cashflow as well to keep them renewed and still make profit for yourself, and still grow fast. A business that is not always growing is a dying business.

Edit: People always ask this: "How much is my domain worth?" Instead of asking, "How much can this domain be sold for in the next 2 years, and actually get sold?" It doesn't matter if your domain is worth 200k if nobody, ever, gets to buy it because you keep that price high and it all turns you into a collector, not a seller.

If you get in love with domains, you're creating scarcity - for yourself. I always sell, discount, liquidate a portion of my assets constantly, only to keep the portfolio growing, and fast. Again business experience teaches you things over the years.

There are a ton of models out there and so far I haven't seen one like mine, but who knows. When I'll get older and tired I will probably stop growing and simply focusing on retail sales. That's a good model but not necessarily useful for me today. Edit: And I really love managing my names, indeed passion is at play.

Unsure how all this info helps others however. I know that my model is based on a lot of things I do different from a different position that most are unable to (e.g: significant budget). So it's not something extraordinary but would be hard to replicate without those particularities. Overall, I can say that yes, you can get rich with domains, but few will and you need to be very good at a least one thing or couple things, far better than others, in order to achieve that goal.
 
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Your asking is of provocative nature and my answer as well:

On 17 November, 2020 brought from China 3L .com for $72,000 / On April 12, 2021 sold for $210,000 to F500 co.

Regards
 
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There is nothing silly and misleading to ask a simple question Brad.

And please stay on topic - this thread is about the success of people in .com investing.

I am seriously curious - as I said, I wish to get relevant information. If someone shows me some good examples, I can redirect part of the money I now direct on new gTLDs to .com.

So please share examples, and do not question my question. Thank you :)

The good thing is I am allowed to have an opinion. That opinion is that the entire premise of your question makes no sense.

How many of you got RICH investing in .com names in 2020 - 2021?

I figured someone who has been in this field for at least 5+ years now would realize this is not a get rich quick scheme. Check back in several years.

Also, define rich...

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I do agree with you Brad 100% that domain investing is not a get rich quick scheme.

Still, I would like to see some examples of the success of people who invested in .com names in 2020 - 2021 and got some substantial results - sure there must be any!!??

So, please guys share some examples :)
There's is a misconception and false assumption in your question.

People don't become rich in a year doing domaining regardless of the extension. I doubt there are even that many industries in the world where people become rich within a year.

Note, that my definition of rich might differ from someone else's definition. For me, it's upwards of a million dollars.

For you to sell and make 1 million+ in profit either on a single domain or a collection, that means a substantial investment in 6 figures or 7 to begin with. Such an investor isn't poor to begin with.

Generally, people might go from poor to less poor or from rich to richer. That is if the odds are in their favour.

So, the right question isn't "Did you became rich investing in .com in 2020-2021?". It should be, "Were you profitable investing in .com in 2020-2021?"
 
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I do agree with you Brad 100% that domain investing is not a get rich quick scheme.

Still, I would like to see some examples of the success of people who invested in .com names in 2020 - 2021 and got some substantial results - sure there must be any!!??

So, please guys share some examples :)

Your timeline is the issue. You are expecting someone to invest in .COM and then basically immediately sell the domain and become "rich", whatever that is defined as.

I have made substantial sales in .COM and other extensions like NET/ORG/US and even some .BIZ and .INFO.

The work you do in the past pays off in the future. Expecting immediate returns in unreasonable.

I have bought plenty of domains in the last year that will sell for 4 and 5 figures over time, just like the ones I bought in the past sell now. There is just no substitute for time.

Again, define "rich".

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It's never too late to invest in a good name, regardless of extension. It can just become more expensive the longer you wait, and opportunities lost. The factors for investing are available capital, viability for a sale, estimated holding time, and how well the domain works with the extension.

Rules are tighter for what works well with new G's vs .com, plus the only people that are really doing any sort of awareness for them are investors. The availability spread for end users is vast now, many prefer the safety net of what is known.

I don't care what sells, I care about seeing great domains being used. And if I had a part in that, then awesome! But that's just me, there are many whom depend on daily/weekly turnaround for income thus investing criteria's differ.
 
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That is interesting and I guess also a bit reassuring information for many, thank you for sharing.

I personally somehow kind of guesstimated your portfolio as 20 y.o. (it's good quality so I was thinking it had to be built around that time in the past). So it is nice and good to see that you are making sales from name purchases in the last 5 years.

Buy-Sell-Reinvest. Rinse & Repeat.

That is what has worked for me. I started with a couple domains that I used for business and have around 6,000 now using that model over the years.

I think my best advice is consistency is key. You never know when a good opportunity is going to come up, so you have to keep looking.

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I have started domaining from end of the 2020 December, i have sold 5 .com domains until now(i am not including the ones i sold here on NP), I don't want to give a number about the revenue yet my current income makes me feel good for now. Am i rich ? Yes i feel rich not because i am selling domain names, because i know what i do and what i want and learning and improving everyday how to do that.

Regards,
Olcayto
 
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Oftentimes people talk about a 1-3% sellthrough rate per year. I saw a Domainsherpa show years ago and the guy had a 20% sellthrough rate. His portfolio consisted of domains that sold themselves. No outbound. Think that's the only way to go (and become rich.)

1-3% is a pretty standard sell-through rate for average quality domains priced at average end user prices ($1,500 to $5,000).

20% is a massive anomaly, especially when it comes to passive sales. There has to be more to the story.

Really the only way you could achieve that IMO is either on a tiny sample size or high quality domains at very low prices. I can't see a STR anywhere near that on a large portfolio scale.

Brad
 
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Hi

as said before, the str, does not, or is not, an indicator of net proft or roi

a 20% sellthrough rate.

one could own 200 domains and sell 40 in a single year, which would be 20%
but you don't know how much each domain was sold for.

and that's why >>>>>

There has to be more to the story.

imo...
 
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Sorry, I forgot to define that - RICH will be defined (for purposes of this discussion) as a YEARLY NET SALARY one would otherwise get working a normal daily job which one would otherwise be qualified for under normal circumstances :)
At the same time, some people are rich making 50k a year, others making 200k a year. Other's aren't rich unless they're millionaires. Mostly, being rich monetary-wise comes down to spending habits and how self-sufficient one is.

Keeping in mind, getting rich is one thing. Staying rich is a whole other realm.

@Brands.International why don't you take a peek at the reported sales thread? Or go through the selling and sales section some good stuff in there.
 
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I think the question and the tone of the OP are fine, except that the definition of "rich" varies by countries. $100k may be considered rich in some developing countries, while not in some developed countries. Maybe the OP can replace the word "rich" by other measurable phrases like "$10,000 gain" or "200% ROI".

Looking into the reported sales cannot answer the OP's question. The sellers might be still not rich or probably got a investment loss, though they sold their names.

The answer for me is no. My .com domains mainly focus on new technologies that are still not mature and common, such as AI, robotics, VR, XR and 5G applications. If you ask me a few years later, I may give you a different answer.
 
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Congrats on your success! Is 10 per month referring to number of names selling or money as in $10k?

What is the size of your portfolio now?
Money. This year has been my best so far. Thought January was a fluke but the sales kept happening in Feb and Mar. April isnt over yet, but I'm close this month too.
 
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If you actually want to invest in .COM there are plenty of opportunities, though your tone to start this thread seems rather dismissive.

If you are asking are there still good investments in .COM, sure. But it takes an effort to find them.

I do think the vast majority of average .COM that sell for like mid to high $XXX at auction sites make no sense when it comes to math. You could buy the same quality domains for low $XXX a few years ago.

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I actually know about him, very good point.

He is incredibly talented and usually has also some funny stories to share :)

Yes, this is a good example of what I was looking for.

I don't really understand some of the sales, but more power to him. It is tough to argue with results.

If you are doing well with new gTLD, that is great.

It seems (1) person is doing well with .XYZ. Good for them.

Everyone has different business models, even with .COM. The most lucrative is usually holding for a period of time.

I focus my effort on buying domains and make minimal effort on the sales part. I let potential buyers come to me.

Someone might buy $5 - $50 closeouts and try to sell them for mid $XXX to end users. That is another viable model.

Another might hand reg .COM and sell them to other domainers for mid $XX - low $XXX. There are lots of models out there. There are more with .COM than most because of the liquidity.

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Would for sure not call it rich but sold around 250k USD of profits with domains. First year I decided to actually sell and connect in the domain industry and both names got sold through two different brokers.

Love domains and slowly turning it into more of a main business instead of just collecting, have a hard time letting domains go.
 
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Were you profitable investing in .com in 2020-2021?"
***THIS***

I think that there are various worthwhile points embedded within @Brands.International question, but the get rich is probably not right focus.

It is definitely true that by looking at major sales, many of which have been held for a long time, can be deceptive. Also, the difference between a name that sells for a lot and one which no one wants at any price can be subtle. Just as most startups lose money in early years, it is probably true that domain investors get better over time, at least those who put in the effort and are disciplined in approach.

The vast majority don''t do domaining full time (and should not). From BB figures on their top sellers, clearly some people are doing well in the brandable niche, enough to live on, but those are the exceptions, and I suspect most have been in domain names 5+ years.

Those who aggressively outbound - I think Yogi S made at least $25k in less than one year, after starting with a $200 initial investment - can definitely be profitable. That is impressive but depends on lot of work and willingness to do outbound.

I agree with @bmugford point that there are numerous models which can be profitable. Nothing wrong with doing most sales wholesale at beginning if you can be profitable at it.

By following the Report Completed Sales thread at NP it is obvious there are certain people selling a lot. It is hard to be sure in most cases the size of investment and the renewal costs.

The embedded tenet that those who built a portfolio of one word names 10+ years ago are in best position is true.

Overall, I have always been pretty sure that significantly more lose money than make money on domain names. One should only be in it if one feels passionate, is willing to do the work, and is comfortable with the risk of the investment. And one needs to work to a path of being 'better' than the average domain investor to be profitable.

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Sorry, I forgot to define that - RICH will be defined (for purposes of this discussion) as a YEARLY NET SALARY one would otherwise get working a normal daily job which one would otherwise be qualified for under normal circumstances :)

And what kind of starting capital would be needed for that? Someone needing and making 50k after investing 1 million is a success, while someone who had 20k to invest, made 20k profit, but needs 30k as salary is not?

I am regularly making 50%+ on my .com investments and reinvestments and that is more relevant metrics than total made in a year. And yes, I still can find thousands of .coms to buy that are investment grade and will sell for xxxx
 
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It all depends on what one considers as rich. I'm probably rich, though I'm living a simple life. I like comfy but most rich people are spending on luxury which I feel as mostly pointless unless it has a very practical benefit to me.

I'm rich by my own and local standards. I'm not rich by US standards for example. Where I live (Eastern Europe) I can currently buy an apartment with one year's worth of domain profits. High 5-fig in euros. That's not very much, but it's something. Everyone around me thinks I'm rich. So I might be, at least per local standards. I must also say that I currently have other business bringing another good portion of cash per year. Domains just add up. I have no financial stress for the future - that makes a person rich in today's world, I think. How many are able to say that with 100% certainty.

I'm able to have enough personal time, and get the things I want and able to pay studies for my kid at the best university in London. That makes a dad rich, I think. I have people working for me on all things including domains, so I save time. That's a business, where you don't do everything.

2020 was the year when I broke into profit with domains. I must say that I'm a long time businessman so I knew what I was getting into. Did some well balanced projections from the start. They matched the reality afterwards, and still do.

In the first couple years I've burned money - to learn fast. I had a budget and knew exactly what I was doing. My only drawback was lack of names' experience. So I had to beat that - the fastest, the better. Time is the most precious thing.

I always work with a budget. Business has taught me over the years that you cannot make a business without a budget. Because money is made with money. Anyway - domains, I knew it was worth it for me, right from the start. I had that special feeling that although I don't know enough about it yet, I'm born to do this. Be a domainer.

In the old days I used to own and flip some 4L .coms but then I got out of that. So for me it's a return to a business I've ignored for about 15 years or so. Been busy to do other things meantime.

But the most important thing in m model is precise business projection. Which so far has never been wrong, again due to experience over years in doing that.

I know for sure that in a couple years I'll be into solid 6-fig range in profit and looking up to final goal of exceeding 1M / annum. Have had one of the fastest sales growth ever in domains, I think. There was some calculation here in one of the posts (don't remember exactly which) about how and how much you can grow in domains over the years. I checked against that and my growth rate was far better. I'm looking at domains as a business, not a side gig, not a personal investment, although that is also fine for others - everyone has their own approach, goals and situation. (Edit: Funny competition thing, I have friends doing that 1M+ per annum in business profits so I can't wait to match them sooner and celebrate over a bottle of fine drinks. In fact I've already told'em I'm all set to get past them and right in front of the pack).

My model is multi-segmented, I have all sorts of domains in different tlds. So you can't really put me in a given category as I'm all over the place. I make profit in most of these segments. I lose money in some. This year I'll be losing about 15-20k (estimated) in various tests, but assumed losses. But overall even with that small loss I will still be nice profit. In fact I am already.

My next immediate goal is to reach $1k/day in sales. I'm not there yet but it is approaching. Each day there is improvement, each day I make some progress. When I started this could not fathom how much you can learn in domains. Now each day I find out there's even more to learn than I could figure out the day before.

I sell at all prices, and any price. I sell daily, and sometimes hourly. 4-fig, 3-fig, even 2-fig clearances. It depends. Haven't sold 5-fig yet but I have some and there's time for that. I keep money rolling. I don't get in love with any of my domains. Everything is for sale. Make me an offer, you might get lucky.

Often I sell a 4-fig domain for 3-fig and people tell me I undersold it badly. Believe me, I know. But I also know exactly what I am doing. I'm keeping cashflow good, and with that domain I can buy tens of other domains like it. There is still a ton of domain value to purchase, catch of even hand reg if you know what you're doing. So I have a ton of volume - much more than I could renew, unless you do the math right and have that cashflow as well to keep them renewed and still make profit for yourself, and still grow fast. A business that is not always growing is a dying business.

Edit: People always ask this: "How much is my domain worth?" Instead of asking, "How much can this domain be sold for in the next 2 years, and actually get sold?" It doesn't matter if your domain is worth 200k if nobody, ever, gets to buy it because you keep that price high and it all turns you into a collector, not a seller.

If you get in love with domains, you're creating scarcity - for yourself. I always sell, discount, liquidate a portion of my assets constantly, only to keep the portfolio growing, and fast. Again business experience teaches you things over the years.

There are a ton of models out there and so far I haven't seen one like mine, but who knows. When I'll get older and tired I will probably stop growing and simply focusing on retail sales. That's a good model but not necessarily useful for me today. Edit: And I really love managing my names, indeed passion is at play.

Unsure how all this info helps others however. I know that my model is based on a lot of things I do different from a different position that most are unable to (e.g: significant budget). So it's not something extraordinary but would be hard to replicate without those particularities. Overall, I can say that yes, you can get rich with domains, but few will and you need to be very good at a least one thing or couple things, far better than others, in order to achieve that goal.

Great detailed post!

I am also growing my portfolio fast, but don't do small sales, as I am putting very high price tag on my time spent on finding names, listing, doing the transactions, correspondence etc.

It makes much more sense for me to list at $1800 to $3000 for 95% of names and get around 1.5% sell through. All while doubling the portfolio size annually.
 
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Hi

another way to look at investing, is that:

it is possible, to get rich or profitable, on the buy side.

and this is what so many don't see.

you can't vision domaining in a bubble or snapshot.

as the buy, is what makes the sale.

imo...
 
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I am very happy to invest in dotcom domains, in 2020 I have sales of more than 2000 dotcom domains. The dotcom domain business is very profitable
 
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Those of you who know me know also that when it comes to .com names, my personal thinking is that it is too late for most people to invest in them.
never too late everyday great domains end-up at auction ^^
 
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Great detailed post!

I am also growing my portfolio fast, but don't do small sales, as I am putting very high price tag on my time spent on finding names, listing, doing the transactions, correspondence etc.

It makes much more sense for me to list at $1800 to $3000 for 95% of names and get around 1.5% sell through. All while doubling the portfolio size annually.

That's cool - note, there are more ways to achieve the same goals. In the end what matters is profit.
 
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