.tv How high will it go???

[huckour]

Bad.TV is in Sedo auction that ends today.

http://www.sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=20509&tracked=&partnerid=

The current offer after 43 bids is 4400$!

How high do you thing it will go?

 

[DomainMayhem.com]

George,

Why aren't you disclosing the renewal price? Don't you think it's dishonest of you not to let your customers know what to expect?

 

[MrRhee]

Why are you all attacking to me?

I am not Demand Media! I am not the one that decide to give high renewal prices and destroy the .TV industry.

I am just an ambisious person who believe in the .TV industry and I always try to expand this idea. I have spend all my money as I said before in order to develope this web 2.0 TV portal that is mainly dedicated in Web TV and .TV sites. (www.kanalia.tv)

Accept my apologies if you believe that by not posting the renewal price I trick the future buyers. I remind you that your complains should be targeting Demand Media that makes these high renewals. As a small budget business man I have already bought 46 .TV but manage to develope only the 1 of them. The cash need made me to sell my other premiums.

Please don't judge me show hard. I respect all of you here and I strongly believe that namepros and np's members help the .TV industry to expand.

Regards to all.

George

HUH?

Why should we be angry at DEMAND MEDIA? Your argument makes very little sense. Why should we be mad at them because you CHOSE not to tell bidders that there is a "premium" renewal fee attached to most of the auctions? I almost bid on your auctions, but chose not to after reading your posts on this board... and I am aware of the renewals, was willing to pay them, but chose not to put money in your pocket... I was going to buy Director.TV from you, but decided to buy Directors.TV today instead (directly from DemandMedia).

Doesn't one of your auctions (MED.TV?) have a $3,000 premium fee? You took the time to mention all the other domains you were auctioning off, how the domain was taken in all other extensions, but "conveniently" left out the renewal fees? Very unprofessional.

You know what you did and I hope that the bidders know what they are getting into. They'll find out as soon as they try to transfer out of ENOM.

It's pitiful that you blame DEMAND MEDIA for your actions. Weak.

 

[StoneRoses]

Why are you all attacking to me?

I am not Demand Media! I am not the one that decide to give high renewal prices and destroy the .TV industry.

I am just an ambisious person who believe in the .TV industry and I always try to expand this idea. I have spend all my money as I said before in order to develope this web 2.0 TV portal that is mainly dedicated in Web TV and .TV sites. (www.kanalia.tv)

Accept my apologies if you believe that by not posting the renewal price I trick the future buyers. I remind you that your complains should be targeting Demand Media that makes these high renewals. As a small budget business man I have already bought 46 .TV but manage to develope only the 1 of them. The cash need made me to sell my other premiums.

Please don't judge me show hard. I respect all of you here and I strongly believe that namepros and np's members help the .TV industry to expand.

Regards to all.

George

George,

I think you are missing the point by trying to blame DM for this.

DM state the fees before you buy the names, you are under no illusion when you purchase these names from DM what the renewal fee is.
You are not disclosing the full facts about the renewals when you are selling them, as Mr Rhee pointed out you had plenty of opportunity to put the renewal fees in the extra information, yet you chose not to.
Irrespective of whether you think "it is only $1k renewal" it is bad form to not disclose the full facts about any premium name to potential buyers, whether it be $100 renewal or $100,000 particulary now that there is no way for them to check if it is premium or not.
Imo

 

[Argos]

If not talking about ethics, you could consider that posting on Sedo the renewal fees does assert the premium value of your names, targeting exclusively end-users and highroller domainers and keeping your names away from the numerous lowball offers they may get.
By the way I find very attractive your Director.tv's concept.

 

[DnEbook]

He didn't state the renewal price ....... bad bad bad !!!

 

[*AllThings.tv*]

A domain is only worth as much as someone is willing to pay.

 

[antonis12]

Why are you all attacking to me?

I am not Demand Media! I am not the one that decide to give high renewal prices and destroy the .TV industry.

George,

I am sure you are a good guy and nobody here is trying to attack you for personal reasons.

Listen to the feedback from the community here. People are trying to guide you and the message is pretty clear from a lot of people (like me) that don't have anything at stake here.

I can't think of any reason to justify not showing the fee except to hope that more people will bid on than would otherwise. Can you think of any good reason why would a buyer ever *not* want to know the renewal fee, particularly now that there is no way to find out the renewal fee on a registered premium?

On the face of it, whether you intended it or not, your actions look unethical to an outsider. Moreover, you are only going to hurt yourself because the high bidder might very well renege on the offer and in the meantime you might lose a less-high-bidder who might be aware of premium pricing and got bid out by the guy that was not aware. These actions also, as people said, don't do anything to help the reputation of .tv and people involved in .tv.

You know the right thing to do. Go put the premium renewal costs in your listings.

Cheers,

Antonis

 

[Dr. Mindwrecker]

Our .tv sales forum here at NamePros requires us to post any premium reg fee's.
On the relaunch May 1st of this year a lot of flames were thrown when people bought names but did not know about the premium regs.

No one is attacking you, just trying to keep the extension straight.

 

[MillersCrossing]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Lamest excuse ever......but it makes no difference - any buyer unaware of the renewal will simply give huckour the finger and tell him to shove his Bad Tv where the sun dont shine......

BAD TV really has found itself a partner in crime....

 

[gericsb]

It's a shame that Sedo does not FORCE anyone .tv auctions to include renewal. I have Restore.tv on auction now and the first thing in my description is that this is a NON-PREMIUM.

It's even more imperative that when premium renewal .tv domains are listed this NEEDS TO BE SPECIFIED. If I bought it I would sue the seller for not disclosing this fact.

 

[jeffoverman]

I agree with micro on this. Tons are buying and holding. That's what I am doing. Sure I list at times but for the most part I hold.

Now the bad.tv issue. Sure it has promise. Sure it has 3 letters. Easy to remember. But for 1,000 bucks a year I just don't see it.

Now your dot com comparison. We all know .com is king now. My theory is .tv will have huge momentum in 5 years. But besides the point, your comparing ugly.com vs bad.tv. Apples to oranges right now. If bad has the traffic like ugly and .tv is right behind ugly, then you can hype this up.

Now the sedo factor. First I don't own any pre yearly fees on names. Not right now Anyways. I realized a few days back on informing buyers yearly fees. A few weeks ago I said it was up to the buyer in doing there research. Like buying a used car without research kelly blue book, oil changes, etc. Now recently my view points had changed and I agree with what everyone is saying. Your trying hide a yearly fee and not disclosing things. You know the fee, just post it

Now I acquired a great name over the summer. Toners.tv. Should be on the list but guess what its not. I am saving 500 a year easily. Same with a few of my other names, I don't disclose much in what I have.

Don't mean to come across as harsh and a preak. If you didn't do your tactics on sedo and an end user decides to bid name for 3000 and didn't know wouldn't you be pissed knowing you had to pay 1000 a year??

What we are saying and trying help you out is this. Be upfront. I did a dumb mistake in a thread and shouldn't have mentioned it. I admitted fault and said my sorry. I learned from my mistake. You should too.

I wish you well with sale. I did like your med name much better then bad.tv.

J

I know there a few sedo people are that have reps and etc

I only have 80 names at sedo and don't have a rep there nor do I have much say. I am in the kiddy pool there. Lol

Anyways. High profile sedo ones here, I think he is doing bad but I think we can all admit this, other half of the blame goes to sedo for not monitoring this

I learned this here, sedo CEO went on record he dislikes .tv. Ok, fine each one to there own but I am not listening to him or follow the guy on his nice trafficz.de. Just dirty business.

Anyways. Point I am getting across knowing I don't know sedo that well and there intentions questionable somewhat, do you think the reason why they do not require pre. Pricing each year is things like to occur and make .tv look bad ?? Far fetched?? Possible. Bring down .tv due to this and effect sales?

I don't know. Its my 4am train of thought at work.

J

 

[huckour]

I am reading very carefully all your posts. I agree totaly with most of you. In my next transaction I will post the renewal fees clearly.

I came in namepros in order to share my common interest for domain market with you and hopefully to make some digital friends...

I am not the guy that gets the money and leaves quickly. I want to apologize if my post for bad.tv and bad.com misunderstood by some of you. I just wanted to describe that a .TV name owner who buys a premium domain should first think to develop and not to park. TV market is now like a start up business… If everyday some of us develop a TV web site this would be the best advertisement for the .TV domains.

I know that many of you (and I of course) believe also in the aftermarket value of a .TV domain I hope that in the end we will not be disappointed...

Regards,

George

 

[Makis.TV]

somebody posted that DM or Enom states the renewal fees...
hm...
i remember they had a small link explaining how their premium renewal fee worked.
Many people didnt see that and ended up returning ther domains back to Enom.

Enom gave the example for many to follow.

 

[StoneRoses]

somebody posted that DM or Enom states the renewal fees...
hm...
i remember they had a small link explaining how their premium renewal fee worked.
Many people didnt see that and ended up returning ther domains back to Enom.

Enom gave the example for many to follow.

Blame game,excuses, self justification call it what you will,but i call it not taking responsibility for ones own actions.
Enom ( or anyone else)can not be blamed for people misleading potential buyers and to suggest such a thing is imo absurd. 2 wrongs do not make a right.

George, this is not a pop at you,and i wish you the best of luck with your names, i also like the site link you included earlier , looks good.