Hosting wanted -- require a reliable service.

[RickM]

Ok, Im currently looking to offload one of my biggest sites onto another provider.

Here is what I require:

• 3-6GB HDD Space
• At Least 100GB Bandwidth
• Linux Based
• cPanel, Directadmin or simalar control panel
• Must have stats software installed (preferably both awstats and webalizer)
• unlimited mysql db's
• unlimited email accounts
• no stupid hdd limitations on the databases
• 99.9% uptime with credit if uptime falls below this
• 24/7 onsite support staff
• host must be reputable -- no new hosts or resellers. Must not be placed on a VPS!
• ability to have unlimited addon domains

Offers please

 

[Camron]

Hello,

NPServe.com can host you with a custom package.

# 6GB Disk Space
# 100GB Bandwidth
# cPanel + Installatron
# Awstats + Webalizer available
# 100% Uptime so far (Guaranteed 99.99%)
# Unlimited domains/emails/mysql/subdomains/ftp/ - and so on

$9.95/mo - Hosted on Dual Core Pentium D 3.4GHz with 3 GB Ram

PM me if you have any questions

 

[minifhncc]

Hello,

Are you sure that you need 100GB bandwidth? A non overselling provider will be able to offer that to you at a minimum of $40 per month.

We could meet your requirements at around $50/month -- We do not oversell at all.

Regards,

Jason

 

[RickM]

Hello,

Are you sure that you need 100GB bandwidth? A non overselling provider will be able to offer that to you at a minimum of $40 per month.

We could meet your requirements at around $50/month -- We do not oversell at all.

Regards,

Jason

Sorry...but there's no way I'm paying $50 a month...a non-overselling provider can also offer it much cheaper than that

In a way, i don't care if they oversell as long as they know i will use at least 90 gigs a month.

 

[Swizi]

Sorry...but there's no way I'm paying $50 a month...a non-overselling provider can also offer it much cheaper than that

In a way, i don't care if they oversell as long as they know i will use at least 90 gigs a month.

Wrong.
Host gator oversells, dreamhost oversells, and Camron oversells, it's the only way they can do it so cheap.

Rmwebs, read this - http://whreviews.com/overselling-hosting.htm

 

[minifhncc]

Okay, lets do the maths here.

A dedicated server on average is allocated 1000GB-2000GB -- Lets say a hosting company has 1500GB of bandwidth available on their server. A Pentium 4 3.6GHz HT server with 1GB of ram will cost around $200/month (depending on which provider you buy from), plus cPanel costs onto that will make the server itself being around $230 (cPanel normally costs $30/month from most datacenters).

Then the hosting company needs to pay for support staff, or they'll simply have bad and slow support, ontop of that they'll need to pay for their ticketing and billing system. A ticketing system averages from $30/month to $60/month -- Lets say the company uses Cerberus, that's $50/month (IIRC). Also, lets say the company uses ClientExec for their billing system, that would be about $16/month, which is not that much.

As for support staff, depending on how many and what types tickets they receive, pay rates for support staff vary from $1-$5/ticket -- Lets say the hosting company outsources their support, which isn't always the smartest thing to do, in terms of the level of quality of the support staff, that alone would cost about $300/month.

So, the costs alone so far adds upto be about $296/month.

Now, 1500GB/100GB=15 -- That means that the host can put 15 accounts on the server of that package with 100GB bandwidth without overselling. To cover $296/month, then you'd need to charge $19.73/month for the 15 accounts, however to make a decent profit, you'd need to charge more. If you charge $40/month for that, then that's around $20.27 PROFIT per month per account, that means that the company makes around $304.05 PROFIT per month, which is ultimately $3648.60 of profit per year, which is no where near enough to make a living on with just doing webhosting as a occupation.

Lets say the hosting company decides to buy another server of the same specifications to make more profits, and seeing they've filled their current/old server -- That costs $230/month, and if they put the same packages on the server as the current/old server then you can only put 15 packages on without overselling -- So that brings in $600/month, but then minus the server fees, and you'll get $370 PROFIT per month. That would be around $4440 profit per year.

Obviously you see where I am going, It really isn't possible to not oversell with giving 100GB of bandwidth at $10-$20/month.

Please note that the calculations above don't reflect on my own hosting company's profit margin and business plan, it is merely an example, infact I have a totally different profit margin and business plan.

Regards,

Jason

 

[jerometan]

I would like to remind you, minifhncc, that overselling does not occur just at hosts.

Has it not occured to you that the DATACENTER might be overselling bandwidth?
Has it not occured to you that the ISP of the datacenter might be overselling?

Seriously, it has become of lesser importance if you are overselling.
Afterall, if a company upstream oversells even more badly, it makes it pointless to compare it this way.

 

[minifhncc]

Has it not occured to you that the DATACENTER might be overselling bandwidth?
Has it not occured to you that the ISP of the datacenter might be overselling?

Yes, but this is different.

A datacenter can oversell their network, but if their network isn't congested (ie. their pipes utilized 95%+), then that's not a problem.

If a host oversells, then that means that they need to put more accounts on the server, in comparision to a non oversold server -- This means there are LESS system resources (CPU, MEMORY, ETC) available to each account/website on the server. You may still be able to get away with hosting static HTML pages on a highly oversold server, however with a reasonably active forum, it will suffer.

Regards,

Jason

 

[euk-damien]

Hello,

eUKhost can offer you our Platinum plan

Disk Space - 10 GB
Bandwidth - 100GB
cPanel
AWstats and Webalizer installed
Unlimited MySQL databases
Unlimited e-mail accounts
99.95% Uptime Guarantee
24X7 Email, live chat & toll free phone support
Unlimited Addon/Subdomains
Price £69.99/Year

Feel free to ask if you have any queries regarding our plans or our service.

 

[ManXP]

Hi rmwebs,

Hello,

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Free setup
Unlimited features (MySQL, Emails, FTP accounts, etc.)
Unlimited hosted domains
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Daily + weekly + monthly backups
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WHM + cPanel Pro + Fantastico DeLuxe + RVSkin
Affiliate program (you will get 50% commissions for all clients you refer)
30 day money back guarantee and 99.9% uptime guarantee (don't forget to check our uptime at http://www.siteuptime.com/statistics.php?Id=28052&&UserId=42418 )
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Other bonus features along with more details about your hosting package are listed at http://www.dimereseller.com/hosting.php Package may be upgraded/downgraded at any time.

If your old server is running cPanel, we will transfer your accounts (files, databases, email accounts, etc.) to our servers for free. 7 days free trial account is available, so you may test speed and performance, check support quality and response time before making your final decision. Also you may read customer comments about us at http://www.soft-news.net/forum/Experience_About_Dimereseller_Hosting-t524.html http://www.webhostingstuff.com/review/DimeReseller.html and http://www.jubileestallions.org/reviews/dimereseller.com to make sure you will have high quality service maintained by experienced people.

We would like to make this package even more serviceable to you, so please reply with any questions you have.

 

[Ultimatum]

I don't think that oversell is the good choice. I think that you should go with VPS.

 

[Camron]

Wrong.
Host gator oversells, dreamhost oversells, and Camron oversells, it's the only way they can do it so cheap.

Rmwebs, read this - http://whreviews.com/overselling-hosting.htm

Wrong, you can't put accusations against host's when you have never even laid a finger on them. I've been doing hosting for a lot longer than you mate, I colocate each one of these servers and set them up personally. Can you really compare dream host's "999GB" against my 6GB space?

One thing that article left out is if the resources are available then it's not overselling . Check out our thread in the web hosting offers, you can see we have yet to see one unhappy hosting client on NPServe.

My server I place customers on have 3GB Ram, and 10Meg unmetered bandwidth. I have less than 15 clients on this server, and 100GB bandwidth is the highest we have offers - only having 2 of those types of clients on our server.

Regards,
Camron

 

[minifhncc]

No matter how you put it, overselling is overselling. You can either pay for a service with great support, and great server speeds, or you can pay $7.95 for 1000GB space and 2TB bandwidth with bad support, and slow server speeds.

I don't know how you can offer 100GB of bandwidth at $9.95 without overselling. A Dual Core Pentium D 3.4GHz with 3 GB RAM with cPanel and 10Mbit unmetered bandwidth (~3300GB) will cost about $300-$400/month. From my calculations you are only making $330 per server per month, then you have to pay server costs, assuming that the server costs you $300/month and that you do not oversell, $30 profit per month isn't really that much.

If you colocate then you need to put the money upfront, but still the concept is the same -- On top of the server costs you need to pay for the billing and support system (if you have any).

I'm not trying to flame anybody, however I'm just saying that I don't think you can offer 100GB of bandwidth at $9.95/month without overselling.

Regards,

Jason

 

[Jortex]

No offense minifhncc but i have to disagree with you here, your choosing a high end server which most hosts dont use (though i do agree that overselling should be avoided)

Let me give you an example:

Ive just picked up a server from layeredtech to use for remote backups, this server has:

Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.00GHz
1gb Ram
2 x 80gb HDD
1500gb Bandwidth
cPanel, WHM and Rvskins

$90 per month

(now, ok, so its not a "high spec" server but its certainly enough for remote backups)

Say i was to put sites on that server i could offer the following:

100gb Bandwidth
10gb Webspace

$10 per month

Max amount of clients on that server (15) x price per month ($10) = $150

Thats $60 profit per month

Now, have 10 of those servers your talking $600 profit per month, have 20 etc..... (see where im going?)

Now ok, so ive left out support and software costs etc... but regardless of those the server itself is not being oversold.

Dont get me wrong, its certainly something i dont nor will ever do and im against oversellers as much as you, but it can be done without overselling.

 

[Camron]

No matter how you put it, overselling is overselling. You can either pay for a service with great support, and great server speeds, or you can pay $7.95 for 1000GB space and 2TB bandwidth with bad support, and slow server speeds.

I don't know how you can offer 100GB of bandwidth at $9.95 without overselling. A Dual Core Pentium D 3.4GHz with 3 GB RAM with cPanel and 10Mbit unmetered bandwidth (~3300GB) will cost about $300-$400/month. From my calculations you are only making $330 per server per month, then you have to pay server costs, assuming that the server costs you $300/month and that you do not oversell, $30 profit per month isn't really that much.

If you colocate then you need to put the money upfront, but still the concept is the same -- On top of the server costs you need to pay for the billing and support system (if you have any).

I'm not trying to flame anybody, however I'm just saying that I don't think you can offer 100GB of bandwidth at $9.95/month without overselling.

Regards,

Jason

You have it wrong. Maybe if you would have checked my post, I said I am colocating this server - not leasing it.

I am not one air my prices in a public forum, as no professional web host should; However I can guarantee I am paying not even $200 close to your estimated "$300-$400/mo". I have full cabinets in a datacenter 8 min. from my house, I use cisco redundant switches, firewalls, DDoS protection, etc.

Get the facts straight before you call anyone overselling.

Yes, if I am paying $400/mo for this box and offering it at such a price, I would call it overselling, however I am not even close to paying that price or to overselling.

PS: I created the billing system & support is dealt here at namepros. I have been in this industry for a long time, upfront costs are nothing compared to the monthly fees (eg- in 2 months paying $400/mo you would have paid for the box itself; If you don't believe me put the pricing together at newegg.).

Thanks,
Camron

 

[minifhncc]

Cameron,

I do not wish to get into a flame argument here, however I'd like to address some points.

If you are dealing with support here, then doesn't that mean that you're the only person who gives support? Most webhosts have a proper support and ticketing system -- That means that their tickets are properly organised, and there would be many more features, such as multiple staff being able to give support.

I dont know where you colocate, nor have I taken the time to research however, 3300GB bandwidth surely costs somewhere near (even more) $200/month -- You have stated that it was nowhere near $200. If 3300GB doesn't cost anywhere near $200, you must be using a cheap bandwidth provider (eg. Cogent).

If you had your own "cisco redundant switches, firewalls, DDoS protection, etc" (which you never said directly) then the upfront costs would be alot, if not then you'd be paying monthly, which I'd imagine not be that cheap.

Sorry but I don't really see how you're not overselling and I don't really care. You said get my facts straight before calling anybody an overseller (which I didn't say), however the facts are above.

Regards,

Jason

 

[Camron]

No, not cogent bandwidth however a full cabinet which can store 42U of space (42 1 Unit servers) has the bandwidth allotment where I can cap a server at a 10Meg connection. As this is "NPServe.com", we are directed towards nphosting - That's why support is on here. You must realize that I am not only a webhosting provider but also a dedicated server and vps provider. Each one of these servers are setup by our team and some by me, yes the upfront cost is a lot but this switch, ddos protection, etc, covers 1 cabinet.

The facts are not above, as you have no proof of our overselling, and the facts are as I explained. Please again look in our thread, we have absolutely not 1 customer have any issues with our service. Our dedicated server and vps services consists of a full staff team, but as I am doing NP hosting on the side, support is dealt through me. Ask anyone who has used our NP Hosting, I am quick in responding to any issues that may concern a customer.

When I posted the first post regarding overselling it was not directed towards you, but Swizi as he pointed our name out in particular.

I have been doing hosting a lot longer than you may think - I have much experience in this industry, I do know what overselling is however I am not one who is overselling.

Let me put a simple method of how we are not overselling-

Upfront costs are paid by me, not an issue. For a 10MBPS line added to my cabinet is less than $75 for me. As I said, I will not air direct prices in a public forum however if you wish to contact me via PM for exact pricing that can be arranged. For a 10meg line, this is 3300GB bandwidth. If I am offering even 30 clients at the specs I gave above ($9.99, 6GB Space, 100GB bandwidth), I am only hitting 3000GB bandwidth without overselling. 6GB space x 30 = 180GB space, which our servers contain 250GB drives. At $10/mo for 30 clients (by the way 30 clients is very low for a pentium d 3.4ghz with 3gb ram) that is $300/mo profit, but net profit being over $225+. In just about 4 months the server is paid for and I am making full profits from there on.

If you need more info, please do contact me via PM if you really want to accuse me of overselling, even if you want a demo account on our server - we are truly not one to oversell.

 

[Jim_]

Get back on topic boys.

Camron is a reputable host. I don't see any actual proof that he is an over-seller. Only assumptions based on numbers pulled out of minifhncc's head.

Quit arguing over nothing and get rmwebs a good deal on hosting. :p

 

[minifhncc]

Hello,

I do not wish to know your pricing, as that is totally none of my business.

Okay lets say you had one server (you said you had more, this is only an example) -- You said that you had 3300GB bandwidth on each of your servers. That means without overselling, you can put 33 of your 100GB bandwidth packages on your server. Now, you charge $10/month for your 100GB bandwidth package -- That's $330/month you get for a month (GROSS), that ultimately results in $3960/YEAR.

You also have support staff to pay -- I don't know how much you spend on support staff, however I wouldn't imagine it'd be that much, lets say it is around $50/month on average.

So that's $330/month minus the $50/month, minus the server colocation fee (lets say it is $70 -- You said that you pay nowhere near $200), that means that you make $210 profit per month, ultimately $2520/year of profit per server per year, can you honestly live on those prices per server? You'd need to fill about 10-20 servers of the same package without overselling to make a decent profit to make a living on.

As I said, I don't know your prices, however mine figures are probably pretty close, at the same time they could be totally wrong.

You do sound like a nice person, however I simply don't think that anybody is able to offer 100GB of bandwidth without overselling.

Regards,

Jason

 

[Camron]

I do have to agree with Jim, this topic is going absolutely no where. However just to clear things up you are right, $2520/year is not enough to live off of, but if you read my post clearly you would have seen I said I am doing this on the side, not as my main business. And if you saw clearly, I am the person who manages and operates NPServe, so that eliminates your $50/mo "fee".