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Disclaimer:Ok, not allowed to vote (none of your business folks lol) it doesn't matter who i would choose......everyone of the candidates has his + and -

I am watching Gulliani's speech right now at the RNC from tonight and i have to say....he is killing Obama IMO.... :)

What is your take on that(please try to have a constructive clean discussion, shouldn't be too hard loool)

Cheers

Frank
 
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Steve said:
There are a surprising number of people that actually like Bush up here. I'm not one of them, but there are plenty of them.

Yes, but the tide has changed ... EIGHT YEARS of Bush failure has changed the dynamics, and McCain knows the reds are changing to blues, so that is why there is this overt Republican desperation and increased attacks on the media to rally the right-wing base (versus actually addressing the very real issues and providing solutions for most Americans)! :| :imho:

-Jeff B-)
 
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Richard Luger has been securing nuclear arms/material worldwide for two decades: you can trust me on this that he did not need Obama cosponsoring anything with him on that, there is not one teeny bit of knowledge or help that Obama could have offered him that would have helped out.

That has been Lugers campaign for years, thank God, and no doubt Obama was tacked on as an afterthought because it would look good on his resume.Just read up on Luger's history, now he is a man of substance.
 
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Yeah ok, I will trust you over a website designed to bring out the truth from both sides, not one with a vested interest in.
 
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RogueWriter said:
... and no doubt Obama was tacked on as an afterthought because it would look good on his resume.

Please provide FACTS to back up this assertion ... or is it simply your humble opinion? :blink:

Thanks for the assist.
-Jeff B-)
 
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Okay, don't trust me, I don't care. Do your own research on it if you wish. But, perhaps you could answer a few questions for me.

1. How long has Richard Luger been securing vulnerable nuclear material and arms?

2. How many years has Obama been in office?

3. How long had he been in office before he began researching this issue and became an 'expert' in that field? Was it over night or did it take 2 or 3 days?

4. Of the last 18 months of his four year term, how much of it has Obama, exactly, spent in congress and how much time has he specifically dedicated to working diligently on this field of experience?

Do the math there, 2 + 2 still equals 4.

Obama has spent ZERO time on this topic, he has simply allocated his name to it as a way to make him look more responsible and worldly. And that's a fact, if you can look objectively at the complexity of the issue, the time it would take to become knowledgable on it. Subtract the 18 months he has spent campaigning for office - something that I think is unfortunate that candidates have to do these days - from the meager amount of years he has been in office, there's no time for him to be anything but a face on this topic.

Edited to add a link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nunn-Lugar_Cooperative_Threat_Reduction

Luger has been heading up this initiative since 1991, passed in '92, basically 17 years.

Obama comes in and spend a couple weekends in on the topic and he's an expert? He's cosponsoring bills? I don't think so.
 
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Thank you for your humble opinions and non-factual observations, RW. :gl:

Take care for now.
-Jeff B-)
 
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Americans have historically been known not to pick "intellectual" presidents, and if McCain wins, this will be another one of those scenarios, andi won't be that surprised. To me, this election is a no-brainer. Army vet-got-captured VS harvard law intellectual....oh boy.........not sure if America will show its got more than an average IQ..
 
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Jeff, so where do you stand on earmarks that are directed back to family employers and donors to Obama's campaign? Was that part of the 'change' you are looking for? Because frankly I think we already got that.

No, wait, my bad, McCain doesn't earmark hundreds of millions of dollars like Obama does.
 
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Currently there's 3 political threads going on in the break room.

For some, that's 3 too many, but even for those who like participating in them, it's pushing the limits.

All I can say is enjoy them while you can. The clock is definitely ticking.... :)
 
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It's all good!

kemjika11 said:
Americans have historically been known not to pick "intellectual" presidents, and if McCain wins, this will be another one of those scenarios, andi won't be that surprised.

With the recent exception of Bill Clinton, you're right ... good observations, IMHO. :gl:

RogueWriter said:
No, wait, my bad, McCain doesn't earmark hundreds of millions of dollars like Obama does.

Again, thanks for your humble, non-factual opinions RW ... it's certainly going to be an interesting election! :talk: :imho:

-db- said:
Currently there's 3 political threads going on in the break room.

For some, that's 3 too many, but even for those who like participating in them, it's pushing the limits.

Good call, thanks DB ... three is definitely too many for a domain name forum, IMHO. :music:
-Jeff B-)
 
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-db- said:
Currently there's 3 political threads going on in the break room.

For some, that's 3 too many, but even for those who like participating in them, it's pushing the limits.

All I can say is enjoy them while you can. The clock is definitely ticking.... :)

Tick tock! :laugh:

Agreed.

- GF
 
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You guys know where I stand.. 3 may be too many for a domain name forum, but this isn't strictly restricted to domain related topics is it? This is the General Discussion forum.. I know these discussions can tend to be heated but all could be solved with a separate area for political discussion. In any case, people can opt out of these discussions so what's the problem anyway?
 
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I agree with David.
 
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Jeff said:
Again, thanks for your humble, non-factual opinions RW ... it's certainly going to be an interesting election!

Actually, I posted the specific earmarks a couple months ago here:

http://www.namepros.com/495530-one-1-reporter-greets-mccain-nh-2.html?highlight=earmarks

One of those earmarks sent a million bucks to his wife's employer, I thought that was interesting. Boy I just don't see a whole lot of change there.

For 2007, McCain had $0 in earmarks, and Obama had roughly $100 million, there were too many for me to count, but 100 million rounding up or down. Again, a fact, as posted on a .gov site.

Here Obama has posted on his senate page his earmarks for 2008,

http://obama.senate.gov/press/070621-obama_announces_3/

Given that we have a half trillion dollar deficit, I would question the necessity of doing all of this, and the amounts involved. Could you imagine how much it would cost if every single congressman earmarked this much?
 
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RogueWriter said:
Could you imagine how much it would cost if every single congressman earmarked this much?

Your wholly inexperienced, and immature, V.P. candidate alone EARMARKED $27,000,000 for her "bridge to nowhere"! :alien: :ghost:

GF said:
Tick tock! :laugh:

Tick. Tock. :laugh:

-Jeff B-)
 
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Jeff said:
Your wholly inexperienced, and immature, V.P. candidate
you forgot to add ".....who even so has more experience than the Democrat's Presidential candidate......." figured that was an oversight on your part Jeff, thought I would help you out...

Wow, I didn't know that Governors could earmark the congressional budget that the Senate votes on, that's interesting, Jeff.
 
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RogueWriter said:
you forgot to add ".....who even so has more experience than the Democrat's Presidential candidate......." figured that was an oversight on your part Jeff, thought I would help you out...

Do you mean that "executive" experience of being in the P.T.A., City Council, and Mayor (of a town of a bit over a thousand) ... or the lengthy 18 months "executive" experience as Governor (of a state with the population the size of Austin, Texas)? :guilty:

Also, check the FACTS of her multiple lobbying trips to Washington (for funds for the bridge to nowhere!) ... as well as the details of her being currently investigated for her role in the Alaska "trooper-gate" scandal and cover-up! :o

Either way, watching old-timer :zzz: McCain this evening and his ridiculous and contradictory 'calls for change' ... this thing has turned in to an almost laughable LANDSLIDE for #1 Obama! :lala: :music: :imho:

Take care, friend.
-Jeff B-)
 
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dgridley said:
In any case, people can opt out of these discussions so what's the problem anyway?
Well, honestly... it's 2 things.

1 -- Where does it stop?

Politics?
Religion?
Abortion?
Sex?
Homosexual / Gay / Lesbian?
Drugs?
Rape?
Incest?

2 -- The fact is, people do-not opt out of the breakroom topics. The numbers over the years have shown that human nature... is to come see what's going on, to "rubber-neck" as it were... and then a certain percentage of those can't help but to get offended... then the snowball begins...

But I totally understand your point Dave, and it's completely valid. And we shall continue to be as patient, and open minded as possible. We just have to try and walk that fine-line... because... "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few". (Spock said that on StarTrek) :)
 
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-db- said:
Currently there's 3 political threads going on in the break room.

For some, that's 3 too many, but even for those who like participating in them, it's pushing the limits.

All I can say is enjoy them while you can. The clock is definitely ticking.... :)

amen brother!
:wave:
 
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