Google and Penalized Domains

[Domainkeeper]

Hey,

just wanted to how does google measure spam ?

my site has been penalized since before i bought it from a domain reseller and they just wont relist it.

im extremly annoyed with google currently.

in the emails i recieved from googles subject line : (SPAM: 7.087) (SPAM: 6.088) (SPAM: 5.199) i wanted to know how they measure this.

 

[McDope]

I'd simply explain your concerns, that you've reasons to believe that there's a penalty in effect to this particular domain. Tell them that you purchased the domain from another person, and encourage them to check the whois records.

Above all, emphasize that the site complies with the guidelines, and it has been positively reviewed by a DMOZ editor (no relationship, but it may help).

i think its easy for them to block me so whys it so hard to add me back ?

Google relies upon their algo to catch up spammy pages. They've got a form where people can report spam but I don't think they make good use of it. Above all, they need to rely upon their software to deal with this stuff automatically. Think of it, their index contains +4 billion pages... there's no way humans can take care of these issues. Once their software detects the offending site, it gets automatically banned. On the other hand it takes human resources to lift it, so be patient.

how do you get listed on yahoo's directory ? does it add all links that are in the dmoz ?

Yahoo and DMOZ are two entirely separated directories. You can submit your site to Yahoo in two different ways.

- For free. You can always try doing it this way (if your site is non commercial) but they do not guarantee inclusion. I never had any of my sites included this way.

http://docs.yahoo.com/info/suggest/

- If you pay an upfront fee of $299 (!) that entitles you to have an editor that will review your site. If they decide it's up for inclusion, they'll do so and you'll have to pay $299 every year (Now you know why the free inclusion rarely works). Please note that they can determine that your site is not worth it and they will not refund your fee (!!)

https://ecom.yahoo.com/dir/express/intro/

P.S. Just a suggestion, but if you can try to get as many incoming links as possible to your home page rather than to a subdirectory. Furthermore, there is some evidence that both Google and Yahoo are having problems indexing and transfering PR (in the case of Google) through 301 and 302 redirects.

Good luck.

 

[identity_00]

Or you can just add links to it and it will index all by itself.

I would recommend that you never pay unless you seriously need it done quickly and your willing to pay the costs.

McDope and I are taking different stands on this domain (and that is fine). I think you need to just fix your site and adds more links. He thinks your penalized or possibly banned.

 

[McDope]

Of course we're all just giving suggestions based on the information we have. For instance, we've not seen the logs so we could not confirm whether googlebot is visiting the site or not. I can't be dead sure that the penalty exists yet for what I can see I'm inclined to believe so. On the other hand I completely agree with your suggestions identity_00, adding quality backlinks will always help.

As for Yahoo, domainkeeper asked about inclusion in the directory, not in the index. They are two different things. Getting crawled by Yahoo's Slurp will get your site into the index and therefore in the search results, but getting the site in your directory is a completely different thing. And I agree, I'm strongly against Yahoo's policies (and fees!) for inclusion. I wouldn't even try if I was not real sure of the return on such investment. And in my experience, the free submission option in Yahoo's directory simply does not lead you anywhere.

Cheers

 

[Domainkeeper]

yeh, my jaw dropped when saw the inclusion price for yahoo's directory personally i think its really stupid.

but as you requested here are the logs:

Robots/Spiders visitors (Top 25) - Full list - Last visit
9 different robots* Hits Bandwidth Last visit
Googlebot (Google) 403 5.66 MB 29 Sep 2004 - 10:50
Inktomi Slurp 15 94.72 KB 29 Sep 2004 - 20:51
Unknown robot (identified by 'robot') 7 218.67 KB 23 Sep 2004 - 00:19
Unknown robot (identified by 'crawl') 7 251.25 KB 30 Sep 2004 - 19:16
Unknown robot (identified by 'spider') 6 302.41 KB 29 Sep 2004 - 19:26
Alexa (IA Archiver) 5 89.75 KB 29 Sep 2004 - 05:12
LinkWalker 4 154.37 KB 20 Sep 2004 - 09:17
WISENutbot (Looksmart) 3 21.71 KB 18 Sep 2004 - 01:30
Walhello appie 1 3.19 KB 11 Sep 2004 - 08:26
* Robots shown here gave hits or traffic "not viewed" by visitors, so they are not included in other charts.

this is last months logs, looks as though google is spidering, but keep in mind that i run google ads, which is funnly enough has been approved. but on the other hand i dont really know. the ads appear on showthread pages and some others.

i will email google tonight, good point about the whois record can they actually check for that or for more of a better word, have access to it, whois.sc is the only one i know, you know its funny they actually rank me in their directory teenville pr 7 http://www.whois.sc/teenville.com

thanks for all your expertise, its helping me loads !! :D

 

[Domainkeeper]

sorry i didnt mention it before ...

 

[Domainkeeper]

WOW, ITS BEEN LIFTED !!!!!! IM SOO HAPPY ......... though there isnt a page rank yet, i think its recent so all that work paid off...

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=teenville&btnG=Search&meta=