Failure to Learn

[whitebark]

With the death of arbitrage and what happened at whypark, and to those inside and outside np with duplicate content websites, I'm surprised so many have failed to learn a lesson.

What I'm seeing is this huge push for 'wordpress development', automatic scripts and the like. And any automatic content is definitely NOT original. But then I've been giving that warning for over a year now and sadly people are still jumping at the easy road out.

Looking for a solution built around original content will take more effort, time and money, but is the right thing to do if you value your domains and really want to profit. But in the end your reward will be greater - far greater - than those falling for the hype of easy to do duplicate content automatic websites. Google, yahoo etc are firing the first shots of cleaning up the garbage that has taken over the Internet the past few years with the explosion of these spam sites - and that's what they are to most people. They are looking out for their bottom line and if that means disabling ads, banning users from adsense, dropping duplicate content websites, killing off arbitrage etc - that's what they will do, and in effect are doing.

Duplicate content is a dead end.

 

[shockie]

i agree, but i only see this problem worsening - at least in the short term. the majority of people who are gaining access to the internet are not looking to be producers or contributors to it, but trying to find quick and easy ways to exploit it and make a little cash.

furthermore, this whole idea of duplicate content/plagiarism/copyrights/etc seems to be completely foreign to many, which is a shame for humankind.

 

[biohammer]

To me this is clearly another corporate move to squeeze out the little guys....its not easy to develop 500 or 600 domains by yourself and very time consuming... Online advertising is going to top 25 billion dollars this year and the corporate world wants it all. I don,t think arbitrage is dead only dead to parking sites.
I think the whole of the advertising world runs on arbitrage.
Advertisers Do Not Pay more than they make from the advertising or they would not do it.

 

[netmeg]

You don't need 500 or 600 websites, and nobody ever promised it would be easy. If it were easy, everyone would be doing it. Nobody (including Google and Yahoo) needs thousands of sites with the exact same stuff on them. If you can't come up with a niche or two that you can work up something original for, then maybe you should look for a different business.

 

[sf2010]

I think it would naive to believe that a pure-play arbitrageur is adding any value whatsoever to the advertiser-buyer food chain.

In financial industry, an arbitrageur provides valuable services like instrument liquidity, spreading the risk, etc. PPC "arb" on the other hand, does not benefit anyone else except themselves.

As netmeg said eloquently, if you can't find a niche or two and work hard and smart to make some money, maybe a 9-5 job is more suitable for some folks.

 

[domainpark]

In financial industry, an arbitrageur provides valuable services like instrument liquidity, spreading the risk, etc. PPC "arb" on the other hand, does not benefit anyone else except themselves.

I tend to disagree on the arbitrage factor.

The advertiser gets extra traffic to their site from someone who does arbitrage. If its good arbitrage the advertiser gets extra customers or leads which is what the advertiser is looking for.

The advertiser gets extra traffic, extra customers, extra $$$$ from the one who has purchased the arbitrage and honest if its clean in nature does the advertiser themselves really care???? Most likely I'd say not.

All these factors I fell the advertiser themselves need to have that option of arbitrage traffic on a parked domain site. Google and now it seems yahoo have taken a stand on the domain parking industry thats its all or nothing with any promotions really of parked domains even with the additions in recent times of custom content, pics, and all the extra that a company like imodo has in their development.

It seems to me the domain parking industry has grown HUGE since the days of a one page crappy looking landing page and the WHOLE ppc industry needs to look at the domain industry as a whole as a HUGE asset in the overall sceme of PPC.

Domain parking is not going anywhere and is evolving everyday and its time that google and yahoo wakeup to this fact and allow the domain industry to grow and prosper as it evolves or another company will come along and take a HUGE piece of the action!!!!!

 

[sf2010]

I tend to disagree on the arbitrage factor.

The advertiser gets extra traffic to their site from someone who does arbitrage. If its good arbitrage the advertiser gets extra customers or leads which is what the advertiser is looking for.

The advertiser gets extra traffic, extra customers, extra $$$$ from the one who has purchased the arbitrage and honest if its clean in nature does the advertiser themselves really care???? Most likely I'd say not.
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Domain parking is not going anywhere and is evolving everyday and its time that google and yahoo wakeup to this fact and allow the domain industry to grow and prosper as it evolves or another company will come along and take a HUGE piece of the action!!!!!

Thanks for your thoughtful comments. But honestly, how many arbs here are sending right kinds of traffic to adverts?

I spoke with a friend of mine who does BM and online business and his experience using Google/Yahoo was absolutely abysmal. $600 a month (each) for 6 months got useless leads. Maybe he wasn't savvy enough to run the "right" kind of PPC campaign? Maybe. Or maybe he wasn't getting the $3 clickes he paid for, but was getting $0.10 clicks where the difference was gobbled up by arbs.

It's hard enough to target the right kind of audience running PPC ads, but once you throw in these parked sites, well, you get the picture....

 

[shockie]

I spoke with a friend of mine who does BM and online business and his experience using Google/Yahoo was absolutely abysmal. $600 a month (each) for 6 months got useless leads. Maybe he wasn't savvy enough to run the "right" kind of PPC campaign? Maybe. Or maybe he wasn't getting the $3 clickes he paid for, but was getting $0.10 clicks where the difference was gobbled up by arbs.

your friend should give this a quick read-over: http://www.searchenginepanel.com/excluding-poor-sites-from-content-network/

 

[biohammer]

NetMeg I respect your knowledge about this business and I agree with you about niche development. I have quite a few developed sites So I don't think Ill look for a new business just yet. I do this full time sometimes eighteen hours a day it pays for my mortgage and more. I know its not easy from first hand experience and a lot of learning and mistakes. True I don't need 500 domains. How many do you have? Im would think you have a few hundred yourself.
Parking and small PPC campaigns were a nice supplement while I developed sites and often paid for domains immediatly.
Im curious if you feel a custom google search engine provides the end user a better experience than a parked page.
Personally I never considered a PPC campaign arbitrage.
PPC campaigns are not by definition true arbitrage. Arbitrage is a risk free simultaneous transaction with no exposure to loss. My business model will go on and do fine with out the supplemental income as we have all learned Google and now Yahoo are harsh mistresses lol.

You don't need 500 or 600 websites, and nobody ever promised it would be easy. If it were easy, everyone would be doing it. Nobody (including Google and Yahoo) needs thousands of sites with the exact same stuff on them. If you can't come up with a niche or two that you can work up something original for, then maybe you should look for a different business.

 

[whitebark]

You don't need 500 or 600 websites, and nobody ever promised it would be easy. If it were easy, everyone would be doing it. Nobody (including Google and Yahoo) needs thousands of sites with the exact same stuff on them.

Very well said Netmeg.

furthermore, this whole idea of duplicate content/plagiarism/copyrights/etc seems to be completely foreign to many, which is a shame for humankind.

That's a huge issue with so many of these autoblogs, auto-plugins or however they pass themselves off. Most of them scrape content and don't even bother linking back to the original/or give attribution - never mind asking the author if they could scrape the entire article.

There has been a distinct pattern in the past 18 months or so and it doesn't look good for those taking the low-road going ahead.

 

[sf2010]

Very well said Netmeg.



That's a huge issue with so many of these autoblogs, auto-plugins or however they pass themselves off. Most of them scrape content and don't even bother linking back to the original/or give attribution - never mind asking the author if they could scrape the entire article.

There has been a distinct pattern in the past 18 months or so and it doesn't look good for those taking the low-road going ahead.

do you know of any tools to scan and detect to see if your original article is being published elsewhere (other than using google search with quotes")?

 

[NPKJB]

do you know of any tools to scan and detect to see if your original article is being published elsewhere (other than using google search with quotes")?

You can try this.... www.copyscape.com

 

[sf2010]

You can try this.... www.copyscape.com

Excellent! Thanks!

 

[.X.]

I think on Arbitrage, It is more like, "Failure To Learn Arbitrage, And use It Correctly" Testing and knowing traffic quality, before using advertisers, Used correctly, It brings high quality traffic that converts for the advertiser in one form or another, Be it visitors surfing pages on the site, Time of visitors on the site, Bookmarking, and sign ups.

 

[goodkarmaco]

People who have been using arbitrage for parked pages should understand it was meant to be used ONLY for actual websites. It is not supposed to be used for parked pages.

If you have a legitimate website with real content on it then go ahead and use arbitrage.

If you have your domain only as a parked page, using arbitrage is a very bad idea.