"Domainers" - Please Don't sell your soul !

[gazzip]

Warning - Rant

After just watching a programme on tv tonight and then going to visit the wrong website I just cannot beleive that "domainers" would register the name of a 4 year old girl who went missing on May 3, 2007 and then just park them to "try" and make money off it.

JUST WTF ARE YOU THINKING ? HOW COULD YOU ??

official website

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TYPO - findmadelaine.com - Parked - Created: 2007-MAY-10

"owner" is a domain development and monetization business serving both the generic and revenue generating domain market. (yeah right, who are you kidding !)


TYPO - findmadelaine.co.uk - Parked - Registered on: 25-MAY-2007


HER FULL NAME - madeleinemccann.com -Parked - Created: 2007-MAY-05 just 2 days after she went missing

For the 3 sad people above - DO THE RIGHT THING, reg them for a couple more years and point them to the official website, money is NOT everything, show some friggin humanity for Gods sake. (if you're too stingy to do that then transfer them to me and let me pay for them)



I'm really glad I'm not in the same room as you just now....rant over - for now


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[blaknite]

If someone were to intentionally register the name of a missing child they do it with the knowledge or assumption of knowledge that the name is getting visitors who are looking for the real volunteer website. By misdirecting that traffic which could potentially help find that child away from its intended source they are obstructing justice.

We shouldn't be thinking about this in terms of what can be done to the illicit domain holder monetarily because this isn't a white collar crime. We should be looking at what criminal charges could be brought and reporting it.

That said, I suspect the holder of the domain in question probably doesn't know it has anything to do with a missing child. I've seen that description in registered names numerous times when trolling for available domains I suspect will get traffic. (not of an illicit nature) I believe they are a domain tasting outfit that registers names that get type-ins. This is apparently done by bulk registering names based on data scraped from a major ISP's unresolvable url requests. Also a deplorable practice, but perhaps not equally as deplorable as registering the childs name on purpose.

 

[goodkarmaco]

Domainicus ppcpious the 13th

Bull hinky its the same. A person who sells the flowers knowing he is making big profits can always forfiet the cost to those who mourn. Some do as I remember many during Katrina, but for those who don't we don't ride their butts beause we mind our own business and let others do the what they choose. Thats karma.

And what about those of us who do own flower domains do we appeciate if some domainer who thinks they should be domain cops ask us or demand that simply because we have profits from the sale of online flowers to addresses of family of those who have encountered tragey. Yes, many of us know from comments coming from the customer who orders the flowers that they are for the grieving mother of said daughter who went missing. Its a non issue to the flaggers of tragedy domains because they think their shit don't stink.

If your reasoning is that domains that are redirected to a ppc and those domains profit from said tragedy then this nonsense can be applied to many domains. Why not picket Cnn or other news agencies that make huge revenues. Cause you really care about the fact that profit is made from tragedy, you just think because you personally made this decision not to do it that you are morally upright. We simply can do what we feel is right and leave others to manage their business if not you would be nuts from trying to right the world and have everyone think like you do.

So if the florist is not hurting anyone by selling flowers as he is not directly hurting anyone how is it different. How can a parked page hurt anyone again? What are they doing on that parked page, laughing about the matter? The person who lands on the page is he or she tortured into clicking on a ad. Simalar to what your tax dollars did to many detainees who were tortured by the people we hire in the military, yes that is coercion. If they exit back out of the parked page do they get electrocuted?

You say Since the domainer registered the domain how is it bionic head that the domain was (set up to help the victum) who exactly set it up? Seems to me there is no law that when a name is registered and if it portrays any tragedy that the name automatically gets set up to help the victum. I cannot understand that you say it was set up to help people and then it got redirected to a pay per click site. Did the person who regged it sell out and hand it over to the tragedy bloodsuckers?

Now if we want to sound all pious about this let me see everyones names they own in a pm and I can assure you many are reaping coin from the suffering of others. I may own epilepsyseizure.org and make a few bucks a year from parking it. My thought is it helps those find some info.

Those who think they can decide for me and other domainers what constitutes a proper name to own may say it is DISGUSTING to own that name and that I should hand it over to some non profit group. I say take a flying leap to that. My karma is my karma and If I have comfort in my decisions then thats what matters. Its my dime.

I have never heard of anyone protesting a newspaper for placing ads next to articles concerning those who have suffered from tragedy and I know each and everyone of you support those newspapers, florists, morgues and we all cause suffering with our lifestyle. Its so nice though every once in a while to stand on a platform and declare someone is a disgusting low life.

I can look on this forum and in one day find thousands of names that each of us own that I find DISGUSTING. When we find the names that disgust us lets "chop off their fingers".

I suppose in a way that can be karma too.

Should I make posts after posts like this... so and so registered (blah blah blah ) name and I find it DISGUSTING.

wtf?

Maybe if I made the WTF much much bigger I can make a whole lot of domainers look like sicko's. Lets move on with this. We have personal choice in many things in life as in domaining.

And oh how stately those big letters look almost pious in a way.

 

[HappyBunny]

As for the florist, the florist didn't proactively hurt people to make more flower sales. If the florist was redirecting detour signs to create more car accidents and deaths to sell more flowers, I'd agree with you. As it is, the florist is not hurting anyone to make money. In fact, selling flowers helps people.

So... the domainer proactively causes more missing children...?

 

[Dave_Z]

How can a parked page hurt anyone again? What are they doing on that parked page, laughing about the matter?

Indeed. How exactly has the domain's registrant caused hurt or harm in this case, other than offend some people's sensibilities?

Registering a domain name to profit from a tragedy is registering a domain name to profit from a tragedy. Whether that's unethical or not, I guess, is up to everyone else wanting to essentially "dictate" their ethics on others.

So... the domainer proactively causes more missing children...?

I don't see any signs of the so-called domainer in question doing that, although that doesn't stop others from trying to do a Vulcan mind meld on that person and drawing their own conclusions. In the absence of that, more factual and demonstrable details might be needed to even remotely guess that.

 

[goodkarmaco]

To use the logic I see many use here is like saying we as domainers should be banding together to put our stamp of approval on domain names and worse calling out those who see the world differently than we may.

 

[mwzd]

These guys are not domainers.

They are bottomfeeders.

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[goodkarmaco]

eel or a heel?

Yes I was thinking that too. Bashing what is allowed under law and at the same time putting names of domainers out there to try to destroy their rep is something a low life would do.

Any other profession and low lifes would at least come up with a law that was broken if they wanted to turn on their associates.

This is just name calling pure and simple.

 

[gazzip]

Yes I was thinking that too. Bashing what is allowed under law and at the same time putting names of domainers out there to try to destroy their rep is something a low life would do.

Any other profession and low lifes would at least come up with a law that was broken if they wanted to turn on their associates.

This is just name calling pure and simple.

Rubbish, at this point I don't even know who 2 of them are, and I have'nt, nor will be posting their names on an open forum. I did contact one guy to see if we could work something out privately and got a load of sick verbal abuse that was not even worthy of responding too.

You may call that a domainer with rep - I sure as hell don't and never will, I call that a sad fool, I did'nt make him register domains like that.

GoodKarmaco, if you really think domains like that are "fair game" and the same as registering something like epilepsyseizure.org then I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince you otherwise.

All I'm asking people to do is to take a few mins to think next time you hear of some tragic event on TV instead of rushing to the nearest registrar.



...so, you did'nt like my big red letters then :tri:



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[goodkarmaco]

Mind your own business

Yes, please do take the time to address the fact that I may own epilepsyseizure.org that is my name, which means it is my business to organize or monetize or do whatever I see fit to do with. You have your names and I have mine.

For those who give a crap, I regged the name after my finance recenly got epilpesy, even though she never had it before.

I learned alot about it, yet I am not a developer so I park it.

Recently she had brain surgery for it and I have learned more about it and have even regged a few other names. The brain surgery did not even help her, only made her life worse and the seizures worse. Now our relationship has even ended. That is after living together for ten years. My reasons for owning certain names and those other domainers who own them is not up for others to judge. So I say WTF to all you who want to bash people. I have very little patience right now for those trouble makers.


I do not consider it morally anything. My objective is to find a way to pay for my domains as I am like others needing and wanting to make money. If I did not I may without tooting my horn make a donation of certain names. Of course I will not let any of you know as I think giving is not a public excercise but a private one. Then again I may decide to sell the name to the very doctors who have the money who may someday do something with the name as they may have more knowledge and may buy it and help others with it. Judge me for wanting to sell it. Then judge my doctor for taking my house for paying for his services too ok?.

People who like to propose that others think like them have no idea what other people have to deal with, yet they want to live life for them. I call it needless meddling.

Others may judge and say "why not give the name to a charity" I say thats my business what I do with it. Don't give me your view that I am a lowlife for doing this or that. You are bashing domainers with a attitude like. Your stepping on my toes when you place yourself in my shoes and I take great offense to that. I will defend my right to run my own domain business with bashing of my own if I have to so back off. Meet me in person and talk to me like that! At this point in my life I don't give a crap if all domainers are against me on this issue. I will stand in the middle of ALL of you and I will not back down. It does not matter the outcome as I have had it with do gooders who want to take what is mine.


You may temper your words and not personally bash the rep of other domainers and I tip my hat to that. But I have read in this thread of many threats and name calling by others.

 

[gazzip]

Sorry to hear about your fiance, life sure can be brutal sometimes

Yes, please do take the time to address the fact that I may own epilepsyseizure.org that is my name, which means it is my business to organize or monetize or do whatever I see fit to do with. You have your names and I have mine.

You already suggested above that you owned epilepsyseizure.org, there's nothing wrong with a name like that IMO - its generic, it provides a service putting someone looking in touch with someone providing, the fact that an advertiser is willing to pay you & google for that is pretty normal.

However a name like epilepsyseizure.org is not remotely like any of the 3 names I have already mentioned.

Anyway, no sense flogging a dead horse with this thread, rant over, I'm done.


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[goodkarmaco]

Thanks Gazzip,

I have no problems with the name either, just like I recenty read Rick S just purchased a virus h5n1 domain. I just cannot understand how some can critize those who reg these types of names or own them. Saying that I do agree some names are pretty shabby. But it does no good to announce to the world these folks who are domainers are scum.

I have lived a pretty long time and have done without many things so I could live with myself and my choices. All I am saying is it boils down to each person making his or her own choices and we can only let them learn on their own.

 

[gazzip]

small update

Looks like the owner of Madeleinemccann.com might just have a pulse after all, at least he's now put up a video and a link to the official findmadeleine website :tu:



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[dezinerite]

I do believe what they've done is unethical, but in a way I do agree with goodkarmaco; ultimately, people who are looking for official websites will find them.

That's just how things are played in the 'domain parking' business - I personally believe permanent parking (i.e. no plans for development) should be banned & made illegal - but since it's not, that's just the way things are done.

If you owned e.g. loans.com and made it into a parking site, it would mislead people into thinking you had genuine information and they would click on the links on the page. This in my opinion is ALSO misleading, unethical and scam-ish.

But for now, the only thing we can do is hope that the general internet population question the sites they visit. I mean honestly, I don't understand people who continue to visit www.generic.com and expect to find the most sincere, relevant information.

 

[goodkarmaco]

I wish I had everything.com Then I would put up everything possible and then stop people from going to other sites that are just domains like mine.

Of course all my links would be ppc as I don't develope. Then if you had one word of information more than my ppc sites would have of course I would not get that traffic. Thats the business side of it.

Thats the point, develope and don't worry about those who park. They have no advantage.