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Domain Liquidation Platform - Seeking input for new Epik project

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Dear Namepros,

The team at Epik is exploring the development of a project that aims to shift the painful domain name expiration process into a more profitable experience for domainers. Perhaps you have read my opinions about registrars selling expired domains and refusing to help registrants in recovery. The time to disrupt this with action has come!

In the meantime, since joining Epik last month, I decided to do something about it with the help of some amazing engineers. The goal of this "name liquidate" idea is to sell domains directly to buyers that may otherwise wait to acquire these domains at expired auctions or being filled as registrar backorders which pays zero to the registrant.

The planned solution addresses two domainer pain points,
1. Liquidation of expiring inventory brings much needed capital, meaning you can renew more of your portfolio.
2. Buyers get clear title and dont waste time bidding on names that can be recovered post-expiry.

Here is the process,
1. Submit your domains: you unlock your domains, provide auth codes.
2. Seller acknowledges that a fast-transfer of the domain will occur once domain has a bid.
3. Bidders agree to non-revocable change of ownership if their bid prevails.
4. Sellers receive a large portion (80%?) of auction proceeds.

The process begins with a 7 day reverse auction counting down hourly/daily, down to $1 plus renewal/transfer for delivery. The domain doesn't have to be expired or expiring. You can submit the name multiple times during the life of the name but not more than once per year. Once the auth code is verified:
• Epik parks the domain with auction template with Make Offer pricing so retail bids can come in.
• Wholesale buyers are informed of expired auction inventory update.
• Domain goes through reverse auction in 7 days
• Domains are fast transferred to Epik as soon as one bid is made.
• If seller locks name, all domains will be removed and no further listings will be accepted from seller.
• Domains already at Epik are pre-qualified for "name liquidate" services, but you must opt in manually.
• External domains are eligible once auth codes are verified.
• Data will include number of views, expiration date, and expected delivery.
• Pre-set domain buys will give you the ability to buy any name when a price hits a certain target.
• Once a bid is submitted, it cannot be revoked. All purchases a final non-refundable.
As for brand name, we are considering NameLiquidate.com — very descriptive name and targeted at a very specific audience. That said, open to considering other names. A separate brand naming project is coming shortly for what Rob describes as the “Ultimate Digital Brand Marketplace”. This is separate.
 
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Again, was this domain yours and if so, how did you acquire it?

Retail customer bought it at one of the Intrust dropcatching registrars on May 24, 2010. They last renewed it in January 2012, and then dropped it a year later after all renewal notices. We held it for 7 years and got a bid.

I suggest you ponder this one for a moment. How is it is that Epik, a privately held company with no venture capital backing can out-innovate Godaddy, give domainers domains below cost, and turn a profit?

I'll tell you how. The retail domain clients carry all of the water:

- They pay retail prices for renewals
- They buy hosting services
- They buy forever registrations
- They drop names they perhaps shouldn't drop

So, basically domainers get a free ride at Epik and now you also know why that model is sustainable.

Related comment here:

 
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Retail customer bought it at one of the Intrust dropcatching registrars on May 24, 2010. They last renewed it in January 2012, and then dropped it a year later after all renewal notices. We held it for 7 years and got a bid.

I suggest you ponder this one for a moment. How is it is that Epik, a privately held company with no venture capital backing can out-innovate Godaddy, give domainers domains below cost, and turn a profit?

I'll tell you how. The retail domain clients carry all of the water:

- They pay retail prices for renewals
- They buy hosting services
- They buy forever registrations
- They drop names they perhaps shouldn't drop

So, basically domainers get a free ride at Epik and now you also know why that model is sustainable.

Related comment here:

https://twitter.com/robmonster/status/1234968464428802048
So you keep domains that customers drop in hopes to profit. Thanks, I’ll never use any service you provide.
 
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So you keep domains that customers drop in hopes to profit. Thanks, I’ll never use any service you provide.

Wow! it's like words go through one ear and out the other.

Keeps handing you more info, nothing good enough!

would love if you went Godaddy with half this vigor but you wont (Conflict or interest; HD constant pass, despite having special relationship with GD that yields 6x inventory of Epik?

Samer
 
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As far as Rob taking domains that have been backordered for himself, how do you know that's how it happened? Maybe when he saw it go expired he placed a backorder and was the only or the first backorder?
I was position 1. The domain was expired and renewed on day 18 or 19. It didn’t hit my account after day 16 like they said it would. Then Rob and support said that 1% of customers have special privilege to renew late. Really?

Now seeing that he admits to warehousing domains, it makes sense.
 
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Wow! it's like words go through one ear and out the other.

Keeps handing you more info, nothing good enough!

would love if you to went Godaddy with half this vigor, but you wont (conflict of interest, gives HD constant pass, despite having special relationship with GD that yielded 6x the inventory of Epik)

Samer
Show me an expired domain at godaddy that isn’t publicly auctioned. I’ll wait.
 
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I was position 1. The domain was expired and renewed on day 18 or 19. It didn’t hit my account after day 16 like they said it would. Then Rob and support said that 1% of customers have special privilege to renew late. Really?

Now seeing that he admits to warehousing domains, it makes sense.

Keith - What domain was it? Let's go put it under the microscope and talk facts rather than nonsense.
 
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I was position 1. The domain was expired and renewed on day 18 or 19. It didn’t hit my account after day 16 like they said it would. Then Rob and support said that 1% of customers have special privilege to renew late. Really?

Now seeing that he admits to warehousing domains, it makes sense.

Seriously this dead horse again? It's not some special 1% its anyone who asks can get the grace period extended.

Show me an expired domain at godaddy that isn’t publicly auctioned. I’ll wait.

If it's not publically auctioned how would we know about it?
 
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Keith - What domain was it? Let's go put it under the microscope and talk facts rather than nonsense.
Let’s do that.

Mobilewallet.com. Here’s what your rep said...

Jessica
(Epik)

Aug 17, 12:21 PDT

“Keith,

Thank you for supplying some history here.
While the rep you spoke to supplied valid information for 99% such cases, we (Epik) have a few clients that have an extended grace renewal time. The domain owner in this case has a longer grace renewal period therefore that is why that 16 day delivery did not apply here.
Sorry for the miscommunication there”.

I’ve never believed this response for a second. I’ve also ran this by one of the top brokers in the industry who said, and I quote, “that’s bullshit”.

Now that you’ve admitted you keep domains it makes sense. Unless the owner wants to provide a renewal receipt, I’ll stick with my opinion on this one.
 
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Let’s do that.

Mobilewallet.com. Here’s what your rep said...

Jessica
(Epik)

Aug 17, 12:21 PDT

“Keith,

Thank you for supplying some history here.
While the rep you spoke to supplied valid information for 99% such cases, we (Epik) have a few clients that have an extended grace renewal time. The domain owner in this case has a longer grace renewal period therefore that is why that 16 day delivery did not apply here.
Sorry for the miscommunication there”.

I’ve never believed this response for a second. I’ve also ran this by one of the top brokers in the industry who said, and I quote, “that’s bullsh*t”.

Now that you’ve admitted you keep domains it makes sense. Unless the owner wants to provide a renewal receipt, I’ll stick with my opinion on this one.


Yup, I know this exact case very well.

As expected, you are living in a fantasy land where you get handed a winning lottery ticket.

The former registrant renewed it. He has 35 days of grace period. Deal with it. The domain is worth $100K. The registrant abuses the grace period a bit, but he did renew it.

Let's suppose the domain was delivered to you on Day 16 of expiry, and that the former registrant came back on Day 45, within the redemption window. We would have unwound your backorder.

Either way, the right outcome was achieved and the registrant's rights were protected. Case closed. You got your backorder refunded and were fully made whole.

We did modify the backorder report to give a more accurate estimate of the projected earliest drop date as a result of your experience.

And in the meantime, it looks like you haven't been back since, and we haven't missed you. That said, you are always welcome but next time try not to be quite so thankless. That gets real old, real fast.
 
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Yup, I know this exact case very well.

As expected, you are living in a fantasy land where you get handed a winning lottery ticket.

The former registrant renewed it. He has 35 days of grace period. Deal with it. The domain is worth $100K. The registrant abuses the grace period a bit, but he did renew it.

Let's suppose the domain was delivered to you on Day 16 of expiry, and that the former registrant came back on Day 45, within the redemption window. We would have unwound your backorder.

Either way, the right outcome was achieved and the registrant's rights were protected. Case closed. You got your backorder refunded and were fully made whole.

We did modify the backorder report to give a more accurate estimate of the projected earliest drop date as a result of your experience.

And in the meantime, it looks like you haven't been back since, and we haven't missed you. That said, you are always welcome but next time try not to be quite so thankless. That gets real old, real fast.
So now you’ve admitted the following:

you don’t honor backorders and you skim the best domains off the top. Great business and even better customer service.
 
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So now you’ve admitted the following:

you don’t honor backorders and you skim the best domains off the top. Great business and even better customer service.

Renewal by the current owner during grace period always outweighs a backorder. If the rules were reversed and they honored the backorder I imagine you'd be complaining then. Seems like you're just a sore loser in this case.
 
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So now you’ve admitted the following:

you don’t honor backorders and you skim the best domains off the top. Great business and even better customer service.

I deconstructed the exact case and showed you how registrant rights were protected and how you were in no way disadvantaged despite being a brand new client.

On the other hand, in light of your persistent yapping about what is very clearly a nothing-burger, you will now have been exposed to the entire NamePros community for being:

1. Obtuse

2. Thankless

3. Repetitive

4. Unrealistic

Nevertheless, I do wish you well in your ongoing domaining efforts.

The good news is that we're all on a journey and I forgive you.

God bless.
 
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Renewal by the current owner during grace period always outweighs a backorder. If the rules were reversed and they honored the backorder I imagine you'd be complaining then. Seems like you're just a sore loser in this case.
Yup, I’m so lucky that I stumbled upon a domain that only 1% of the time is allowed to be renewed, well beyond the other 99%.

Either way, epik doesn’t treat all customers equally. Don’t take it from me, read the response from their support team, then read it again. Keep reading until it sinks in.
 
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I deconstructed the exact case and showed you how registrant rights were protected and how you were in no way disadvantaged despite being a brand new client.

On the other hand, in light of your persistent yapping about what is very clearly a nothing-burger, you will now have been exposed to the entire NamePros community for being:

1. Obtuse

2. Thankless

3. Repetitive

4. Unrealistic

Nevertheless, I do wish you well in your ongoing domaining efforts.

The good news is that we're all on a journey and I forgive you.

God bless.
Correct.

While you wish I’d sweep your theft under the rug, I won’t. If the customer that renewed the domain wants to show the receipt I’ll admit I’m wrong. You on the other hand have already admitted that you need to skim. Obviously because you can’t compete in an open market.
 
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Yup, I’m so lucky that I stumbled upon a domain that only 1% of the time is allowed to be renewed, well beyond the other 99%.

Either way, epik doesn’t treat all customers equally. Don’t take it from me, read the response from their support team, then read it again. Keep reading until it sinks in.

Every business is going to do more for their best customers. Doesn't matter is its Epik or Godaddy. Google or Microsoft. That's business. At least with Epik you can always ask and from what I've seen Rob has always been fair. I prefer that to something where it's all rigid policy based with no room for exceptions or compassion or being helpful. I have no doubt if I contact Rob on day 14 after one of my names expired and asked for more time to pay the renewal I bet he'd agree to it dispite by the number of domains I have and by the amount of money I have spent at Epik I'm probably in like the bottom 1% of customers.
 
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Every business is going to do more for their best customers. Doesn't matter is its Epik or Godaddy. Google or Microsoft. That's business. At least with Epik you can always ask and from what I've seen Robs always been fair. I prefer that to something where it's all rigid policy based with no room for exceptions or compassion or being helpful. I have no doubt if I contact Rob on day 14 after one of my names expired and asked for more time to pay the renewal I bet he'd agree to it dispute by the number of domains I have and by the amount of money I have spent at Epik I'm probably in like the bottom 1% of customers.
I don’t discourage asking for whatever you need. I do expect ALL customers to be treated equal though. Policy is policy.

Rob might be a great guy and have the best intentions. If he wants to help the industry, treat every customer exactly the same. Don’t let 1% have an advantage. That’s all I’m saying.
 
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I don’t discourage asking for whatever you need. I do expect ALL customers to be treated equal though. Policy is policy.

Rob might be a great guy and have the best intentions. If he wants to help the industry, treat every customer exactly the same. Don’t let 1% have an advantage. That’s all I’m saying.

Keith.... Godaddy's entire business model is built on "1%"

I wish ALL Customers got $8.29 pricing, not the ones with 500+ domains.

Forcing them to pay $9.99 monthly or $100 a year if below 500, is wrong.

Samer
 
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Keith.... Godaddy's entire business model is built on "1%Samer
In what sense? Every expired domain I’ve seen in the last decade gets publicly auctioned. Maybe I’ve missed something.
 
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I don’t discourage asking for whatever you need. I do expect ALL customers to be treated equal though. Policy is policy.

Rob might be a great guy and have the best intentions. If he wants to help the industry, treat every customer exactly the same. Don’t let 1% have an advantage. That’s all I’m saying.

My point is the 1% are those who ask. Not those who make Epik the most money though there is some overlap for sure.
 
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