question Does HugeDomains get the "option" to retain "aging" on domains it dropcatches using Dropcatch.com?

[WhoaDomain.com]

Just noticed something "odd" in the whois for AMDStock.com.

I had this domain on my watchlist about a month before it deleted.
I kept checking Dropcatch for when it deleted so I an order a Dropcatch for it.

"feel asleep at the wheel" when I found out it had be caught by HugeDomains.

lost track of time and forgot to check it. win some lose some. It's fine. no use crying over spilled milk. especially if it's your fault.

but here's my question.

If this domain is currently in a Namebright again which I assume is because it Dropped and a dropcatch was ordered for it over at Dropcatch.com by HugeDomains.

There is no record of this domain going to auction at Godaddy or wherever on Namebio.

I would think something like this domain domain would have gone to expired auction at least.

537,474 monthly search volume for "AMD Stock"

Anyways here's the whois info.

Domain:
amdstock.com

Registrar:
TurnCommerce, Inc. DBA NameBright.com

Registered On:
2015-06-17

Expires On:
2021-06-17

Updated On:
2020-06-11

Status:
clientTransferProhibited

Name Servers:
nsg1.namebrightdns.com
nsg2.namebrightdns.com

Registrant Contact
Name:
Domain Admin / This Domain is For Sale

Organization:
HugeDomains.com

Street:
2635 Walnut Street

City:
Denver

State:
CO

Postal Code:
80205

Country:
US

Phone:
+1.3038930552

Email:

@hugedomains.com



Even the history of this domain looks "odd".

amdstock.com Domain Hosting History


Old Hoster New Hoster Month / Year Zone Date Transaction
N/A NAMEBRIGHTDNS.COM June 2015 2015-07-01 New
NAME-SERVICES.COM N/A May 2015 2015-06-01 Deleted
IMPRESSIVEWEBDEVELOPMENT.COM NAME-SERVICES.COM March 2013 2013-04-01 Transfer
SEDOPARKING.COM IMPRESSIVEWEBDEVELOPMENT.COM October 2012 2012-11-01 Transfer
IMPRESSIVEWEBDEVELOPMENT.COM SEDOPARKING.COM April 2012 2012-05-01 Transfer
N/A IMPRESSIVEWEBDEVELOPMENT.COM March 2010 2010-04-01 New
NAME-SERVICES.COM N/A August 2008 2008-09-01 Deleted
N/A NAME-SERVICES.COM June 2007 2007-07-01 New



Anyone with any ideas what is going on here? does HugeDomains have the ability to grab a domain or make arrangements with the previous registrar holder of this domain to retain the aging by not letting the domain drop?

was it purchased out right?

I can't even tell from the whois history who the old registrar was. Could it that the old registrar was Namebright and that just made it easier for them to save the aging on it?

Edit: I understand that HugeDomains, Dropcatch and Namebright are all the same entity. (I think???)

 

[bmugford]

Well to start with, this domain is an obvious TM issue.

Outside that the domain never deleted. It looks like it was likely renewed on 6/11.

Archived on June 17, 2015:

Domain Name: AMDSTOCK.COM
Registrar: DROPCATCH.COM 359 LLC
Sponsoring Registrar IANA ID: 1770
Whois Server: whois.namebright.com
Referral URL: http://www.DropCatch359.com
Name Server: NS1.NAMEBRIGHTDNS.COM
Name Server: NS2.NAMEBRIGHTDNS.COM
Status: ok http://www.icann.org/epp#OK
Updated Date: 17-jun-2015
Creation Date: 17-jun-2015
Expiration Date: 17-jun-2016

Current -

Domain Name: AMDSTOCK.COM
Registry Domain ID: 1939638105_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.namebright.com
Registrar URL: http://www.NameBright.com
Updated Date: 2020-06-11T07:13:07Z
Creation Date: 2015-06-17T18:33:11Z
Registry Expiry Date: 2021-06-17T18:33:11Z
Registrar: TurnCommerce, Inc. DBA NameBright.com
Registrar IANA ID: 1441
Registrar Abuse Contact Email:
Registrar Abuse Contact Phone:
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited https://icann.org/epp#clientTransferProhibited
Name Server: NSG1.NAMEBRIGHTDNS.COM
Name Server: NSG2.NAMEBRIGHTDNS.COM

 

[WhoaDomain.com]

Well to start with, this domain is an obvious TM issue.

Outside that the domain never deleted. It looks like it was likely renewed on 6/11.

Archived on June 17, 2015:

Domain Name: AMDSTOCK.COM
Registrar: DROPCATCH.COM 359 LLC
Sponsoring Registrar IANA ID: 1770
Whois Server: whois.namebright.com
Referral URL: http://www.DropCatch359.com
Name Server: NS1.NAMEBRIGHTDNS.COM
Name Server: NS2.NAMEBRIGHTDNS.COM
Status: ok http://www.icann.org/epp#OK
Updated Date: 17-jun-2015
Creation Date: 17-jun-2015
Expiration Date: 17-jun-2016

Current -

Domain Name: AMDSTOCK.COM
Registry Domain ID: 1939638105_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.namebright.com
Registrar URL: http://www.NameBright.com
Updated Date: 2020-06-11T07:13:07Z
Creation Date: 2015-06-17T18:33:11Z
Registry Expiry Date: 2021-06-17T18:33:11Z
Registrar: TurnCommerce, Inc. DBA NameBright.com
Registrar IANA ID: 1441
Registrar Abuse Contact Email:
Registrar Abuse Contact Phone:
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited https://icann.org/epp#clientTransferProhibited
Name Server: NSG1.NAMEBRIGHTDNS.COM
Name Server: NSG2.NAMEBRIGHTDNS.COM

so the original registrant was HugeDomains all this time?
for an obvious TM is an awful long time for such a domain to be sitting in hugedomains hands.



how do you get archived whois data?

 

[7363824]

Idk about it being a TM issue. I mean yes there is the microchip manufacturer but I think an argument could be made for AMD being an acronym anyone could use outside the PC components space. Ie a stock photography site by a photographer whose initials are A.M.D. is one possible usage.

That said yes clearly always been a HD domain. I use whoxy for historical and reverse whois lookups and it confirms.

 

[bmugford]

Idk about it being a TM issue. I mean yes there is the microchip manufacturer but I think an argument could be made for AMD being an acronym anyone could use outside the PC components space. Ie a stock photography site by a photographer whose initials are A.M.D. is one possible usage.

That said yes clearly always been a HD domain. I use whoxy for historical and reverse whois lookups and it confirms.

Show attachment 164059

Yeah, that's a stretch. The only reason "AMD Stock" has search volume is the company.
Outside that it is pretty hard to justify owning a random 3 letter acronym + stock for resale.

Brad

 

[AEProgram]

DropCatch offers pre-release names, if someone got it from there it would never go into the pending delete. Are you sure it ended up in the pending delete?

If the pre-release name was on hugedomains and nobody got it from the pre-release they could've held on to it and that is what your seeing.

 

[WhoaDomain.com]

Idk about it being a TM issue. I mean yes there is the microchip manufacturer but I think an argument could be made for AMD being an acronym anyone could use outside the PC components space. Ie a stock photography site by a photographer whose initials are A.M.D. is one possible usage.

That said yes clearly always been a HD domain. I use whoxy for historical and reverse whois lookups and it confirms.

Show attachment 164059

here's a list below of monthly search volume for keyword "stock". as you can see many are obvious TM issues....yet................ if you are curious. take these two word "stock" combos and guaranteed some have been registered for years and not by the TM holders. Like 95%.

These registrants must be the dumbest people on Earth. just sayin.

Yeah, that's a stretch. The only reason "AMD Stock" has search volume is the company.
Outside that it is pretty hard to justify owning a random 3 letter acronym + stock for resale.

Brad

stock market 1,216,953 42.58 58,802
tesla stock 733,937 17.48 975
amazon stock 602,483 16.21 689
amd stock 537,474 15.24 518
boeing stock 477,535 13.09 257
ge stock 434,394 13.64 311
apple stock 426,794 19.34 1,554
uber stock 382,347 13.06 255
fb stock 336,725 12.89 240
disney stock 292,637 14.46 407
adobe stock 277,232 24.34 4,475
stock market today 276,311 18.63 1,307
aapl stock 272,267 14.01 352
stock futures 264,135 18.05 1,129
lyft stock 257,780 11.85 163
roku stock 247,483 13.8 328
ba stock 238,466 9.8 68
tsla stock 227,411 13.65 312
acb stock 217,645 12.07 177
amzn stock 208,687 13.01 250
stock x 203,799 9.44 57
nio stock 200,821 12.52 210
netflix stock 199,830 15.72 598
facebook stock 197,793 16.82 816
t stock 182,173 13.6 307
amazon stock price 177,651 8.21 30
microsoft stock 176,718 13.73 321
stock market news 175,707 20.2 1,896
walmart stock 175,165 11.38 135
free stock photos 174,962 22.63 3,203
google stock 168,174 13.27 274
dis stock 165,052 10.32 86
cgc stock 164,364 10.84 108
baba stock 163,873 10.64 99
beyond meat stock 160,598 11.57 146
spy stock 160,260 7.52 20
msft stock 155,863 11.27 129
stock 150,281 77.37 920,167
ibm stock 140,222 12.87 238
nvidia stock 139,608 14.07 359
ford stock 138,971 11.85 163
apple stock price 137,593 9.87 70
cvs stock 131,263 10.37 88
nvda stock 128,968 10.73 103
snap stock 125,385 14.1 362
bynd stock 123,708 8.43 34
nike stock 121,663 12.64 219
stock photos 121,255 28.18 8,795
mu stock 117,132 10.91 111
costco stock 114,681 10.21 82

I'll just stick to my

5GStock.com
VanadiumStock.com
DatacenterStock.com
IOEStock.com
IOEStocks.com

 

[WhoaDomain.com]

DropCatch offers pre-release names, if someone got it from there it would never go into the pending delete. Are you sure it ended up in the pending delete?

If the pre-release name was on hugedomains and nobody got it from the pre-release they could've held on to it and that is what your seeing.

Nah. I saw the whois saying "Pending Delete" this is why I'm asking this here now. Thank you.

 

[Sutruk]

I had this domain on my watchlist about a month before it deleted.

Nah. I saw the whois saying "Pending Delete" this is why I'm asking this here now. Thank you.

If you saw the domain a month before its expiration date, the status still wasn't "pendingDelete".
You only see "pendingDelete" on the whois 5 days before the deletion, and once you see this Status, there's no way anyone can recover the domain, as my understanding.

Looking at the whois, the domain was last updated 6 days before the deletion. I really don't know if that update was when it was renewed, but if so, it was renewed at the very limit of the "pendingDelete" status.
One day more, and they could not have been able to renew it.

https://www.name.com/support/articles/227849228-How-the-Pending-Delete-period-works

How the Pending Delete period works

If a domain expires and is neither renewed nor restored during Redemption Grace Period, then it enters a stage called Pending Delete. During the Pending Delete period, the domain can no longer be restored, renewed, or recovered by the previous owner or registrar and the domain is scheduled to become available for registration in 5 calendar days. Once the 5 days have passed, the domain is be released and the zone file are deleted.

When the Pending Delete period ends the domain is released.

 

[AEProgram]

Nah. I saw the whois saying "Pending Delete" this is why I'm asking this here now. Thank you.

You are describing an impossible situation

 

[WhoaDomain.com]

If you saw the domain a month before its expiration date, the status still wasn't "pendingDelete".
You only see "pendingDelete" on the whois 5 days before the deletion, and once you see this Status, there's no way anyone can recover the domain, as my understanding.

Looking at the whois, the domain was last updated 6 days before the deletion. I really don't know if that update was when it was renewed, but if so, it was renewed at the very limit of the "pendingDelete" status.
One day more, and they could not have been able to renew it.

https://www.name.com/support/articles/227849228-How-the-Pending-Delete-period-works

How the Pending Delete period works

If a domain expires and is neither renewed nor restored during Redemption Grace Period, then it enters a stage called Pending Delete. During the Pending Delete period, the domain can no longer be restored, renewed, or recovered by the previous owner or registrar and the domain is scheduled to become available for registration in 5 calendar days. Once the 5 days have passed, the domain is be released and the zone file are deleted.

When the Pending Delete period ends the domain is released.

agreed. Correction. I saw the pending delete status very much towards the end of the life cycle. I got lucky and saw it around maybe day 1 of the last 5 days before delete. I became busy with life.

lost track of time. every other day kept checking to see if the domain would pop up on Dropcatch since it was pending delete.

but this method you never can tell "when" a domain will delete because it's always up in the air.

sure. it "should" be 5 days. but somethingit's 7 or 8 or even 10 I've seen before it ever pops up on Dropcatch to be able to order a dropcatch on it.

 

[WhoaDomain.com]

You are describing an impossible situation

look below.

 

[7363824]

Yeah, that's a stretch. The only reason "AMD Stock" has search volume is the company.

I never claimed otherwise just that it is possible to claim to have other use cases not connected to the company. Would it be sufficient enough of a defense for UDRP? Idk maybe, maybe not...I'm no lawyer, and I personally for the record wouldn't buy this domain but is imo at least something that one could try to defend versus something like Microsoft Stock which I could not imagine any defense for owning.

 

[WhoaDomain.com]

I never claimed otherwise just that it is possible to claim to have other use cases not connected to the company. Would it be sufficient enough of a defense for UDRP? Idk maybe, maybe not...I'm no lawyer, and I personally for the record wouldn't buy this domain but is imo at least something that one could try to defend versus something like Microsoft Stock which I could not imagine any defense for owning.

definitely not VerizonStock.com lol

 

[bmugford]

You are describing an impossible situation

Yes, there is no indication this domain was ever in pending delete. If a domain is in that status it drops.

The only way it doesn't is under extraordinary circumstances like a court order. I have only seen that happen 2-3 times in over a decade.

Brad

 

[bmugford]

I never claimed otherwise just that it is possible to claim to have other use cases not connected to the company. Would it be sufficient enough of a defense for UDRP? Idk maybe, maybe not...I'm no lawyer, and I personally for the record wouldn't buy this domain but is imo at least something that one could try to defend versus something like Microsoft Stock which I could not imagine any defense for owning.

Maybe. It might be defendable if someone owned like 100 different acronym combos.

It is pretty hard to defend just owning one in the format, that just happens to have search volume from an obvious TM connected usage.

Brad

 

[bmugford]

here's a list below of monthly search volume for keyword "stock". as you can see many are obvious TM issues....yet................ if you are curious. take these two word "stock" combos and guaranteed some have been registered for years and not by the TM holders. Like 95%.

These registrants must be the dumbest people on Earth. just sayin.

I agree. There have been multiple UDRP losses for this format, and most of these with high search volume are slam dunk disputes for the TM holder.

Brad

 

[AEProgram]

Yes, there is no indication this domain was ever in pending delete. If a domain is in that status it drops.

The only way it doesn't is under extraordinary circumstances like a court order. I have only seen that happen 2-3 times in over a decade.

Brad

exactly

a interesting story some of you remember with publication.com

https://www.billhartzer.com/domain-...elete-status-gets-renewed-due-to-court-order/