Develop is the way to go? Help...

[ginanet]

Ok I'm getting overwhelmed surfing the forum but learning etc. It appears developing is the way to go if you can do it? Now does that mean full blown website or content with adsense around it. Does anyone advise paying for adsense to get people to your site to click on your adsense?

Or is it better to leave sites undeveloped and throw some adsense and affiliate links on them and leave it at that?

I guess I have just enough info to confuse the heck out of myself. Is there a 5 step program to getting started. I've got about 50 domains a couple are actual businesses and one I might sell if anyone can give me an idea what the name is worth, if anything, with out the business and with the biz if you have any idea, I've posted it in the appraisal forum but no replies (motocandy). I think I've made about $12 on adsense there in last few weeks with out really knowing what to even do with it to optimize. I know chump change.

If anyone is willing to mentor raise your hand help....

Thanks! Sorry for long post.:santa:

Gina

 

[enlytend]

Does anyone advise paying for adsense to get people to your site to click on your adsense?

You mean "paying for adWORDS"? Don't. That trick used to work, but google seriously frowns upon it these days and you're likely to get your account banned.

As for develop vs non develop vs "lite" development - generally, the more you put into it the more you'll get out of it.

 

[nielsencl]

I smiled when I saw what you wrote about paying people to click on your adsense ads. You can do this, but you need to know two things:

1) It's stealing, just as sure as if you walked out of a store without paying for what you took. The advertiser gets nothing for their money, but you get paid. That's bad business at best, and a crime at worst.

And just think if there were no advertisers because they all got ripped off all the time. You would not have even made $12! So be nice to PPC advertisers, they are your partners, not something to take advantage of.

2) Google and other PPC providers do a really good job of closing the accounts of people that commit click fraud. And they even close accounts of those that are NOT doing anything wrong. Those that do fraud make it harder for anyone else, and if people knew how great it is to be making hundreds of dollars every month for years like I have been (since 2003), would NEVER, EVER risk getting their account closed by doing any kind of fraud or violating any of Google's rules.

I have about 80 sites and blogs, and I can tell you that the two sites that make the most money are the two oldest and largest sites. Many people try to make many, many sites that all earn some money each month, and this can work. You only need to make $1 a month to pay for your costs generally (hosting and domain), but I think if you put the effort into making fewer sites that are at least 100 pages, you will get more for your effort. And it does take some work to build and maintain larger sites, but I think it is worth it.

 

[ginanet]

oh no I wasn't suggesting click fraud. I was asking if it's worthwhile to pay for adwords to promote your websites which you have adsense displayed. I think I will try building up a couple or few of them as suggested and then trying to have several or many that bring in a little something each.

How do you drive traffic to your content sites? I'm sure this is not a simple question

Also are they content sites or do you have product etc?

Thanks!

 

[enlytend]

I wasn't talking about clickfraud either. A while back, Google started dropping Adsense publishers who used Adwords to drive traffic to Adsense pages.

 

[nielsencl]

Enlytend: I didn't think you were talking about click fraud.

Does anyone advise paying for AdSense to get people to your site to click on your AdSense?

Sorry, I understand better what you meant, but it's good to be clear since many new people read these posts and may get the wrong idea.

How do you drive traffic to your content sites?

It's more a matter of "attracting" traffic and not driving it. My two largest sites have the most content Bizprolink-internet.com and consultant-directory.com and they earn the most from about 80k visitors a month.

As long as your site has no problems (like duplicate content), and at least basic SEO, the more content you have the more traffic you should have. I may be over-simplifying, but this is basically how it works for us.


Some people can make that work and it's called arbitrage. You can try it if you want, but I would use Yahoo or some of the other PPC providers for your advertising. It will be cheaper and Google will be less likely to see what you are doing. Try to find some information by someone who has done that and made it work. If you are paying 1 cent for a visitor and only one in 5 clicks on your site and you get paid 5 cents, you only break even. Just keep track of your costs and income so you don't get into a situation where you lose money.

 

[Name Trader]

I think developing with affiliate links would be more profitable than adsense ads.

 

[JL8]

I think developing with affiliate links would be more profitable than adsense ads.

Why?

 

[enlytend]

If they're well-matched and used effectively, affiliate links GENERALLY pay better than PPC. If you consider the business models, they're higher on the "food chain". As an affiliate (or a merchant), I would gladly pay you $0.15 /click to send your visitors to a page with a 2% or higher conversion rate and an average commission per order of, let's say, $8.00 or more. .

(Problem is a lot of people think affiliate marketing is just about slapping a few banners on a page, in which case your site probably won't convert well and you WOULD do better with Adsense. And sometimes affiliate links just aren't a good fit for a particular site or topic)

PPC per-click payouts tend remain steady at best. Many affiliate programs offer incentives for affiliates who produce well - increased commission rates, lump-sum bonuses, gifts, contests ...

You CAN use Adwords to send traffic to a page with affiliate links, but Google really doesn't love it, so it's risky. If you don't know what you're doing, you'll end up paying ridiculous per-click prices and/or get dropped from Adwords.

Like nielsencl suggested: Build content and attract traffic. It's the cheapest and in the long run the easiest way to do it.

Also, respect your visitors - think of how you can provide something they want or need .

 

[copper]

How do you drive traffic to your content sites? I'm sure this is not a simple question

1. Submit articles to Article Directories.
Get/create about 10 articles (about 500 words) per keyword subject.
Put these articles (Original articles) on your site.
Spin each articles to about 10 unique shorter articles (about 300 words?).
Submit these spinned articles to well known larger article directories.

If you want to automate...
There are many article spinner and article submitter.
Just make sure to research for it as many are just junk and useless.

Summary...
You have 10 article pages with different keywords which will have 10 incoming
links for each article page from article directories.
In total, you have 100 incoming links on your site.

Create twitter acct linked to your site.
Use auto twit script on your site that will twit your twitter acct every time you post article on your site.
Your twit may get picked up by site like "twitturls.com" and get few clicks to your site with zero effort.
Beauty of this thing is that you don't have to put any extra effort as it will be twitted to your twitter acct
automatically. Your only effort would be setting it up one time.
In my case, it took me about 10 minutes to set it up on my new joomla based site.

Utilize bookmark sites.
Bookmark your site to may different bookmarking sites for links and few clicks.
There are some auto bookmarking script such as "bookmarking demon" if you can afford few $.

Visit high PR blogs that relate to your site/subject and leave legit comments with your URL.
Just make sure such blogs do not use "NOFOLLOW" meta tag.
Again, there are scripts that makes it easy to find such blogs - try "comment hut".

Submit your URL to directories and SE.

Do at least basic SEO for your site.

There.
That should keep you busy for a while and that's a good start

 

[ginanet]

Thanks so much for taking the time... my brain hurts ;-D but I will try this. Looks like I also need to learn basic SEO. I can build webpages , but nothing fancy. I will try to find out about inserting keywords and all that. Lots of info- thanks again.

 

[Name Trader]

Why?

I think enlytend gave the reasons quite nicely.

 

[Wings855]

Thats a really nice description of how to bring your site a good number of views, thanks Copper, ill definetly be utilizing that method as i work on my new site. If i have no previous knowledge (Limited Basic, HTML, and Python knowledge) in creating a website are there any basic formats(that look decent at the least) i can utilize and just write the articles or would it be easier making the site a standard blog format. Also if im trying to find out what i want to focus my sites information on, is there somewhere i can see what people are searching for, and what articles are being sought after? I'm making one site about metal (music) just beacuse i have general knowledge in that field, but want to make another one to try to get some revenue flowing.

Sorry to kind of hijack the thread, but all the information in the thread pertained to me and has been very useful. Once again, thanks NP, this site is full of awsome information.

Wings855

 

[DubDubDubDot]

My development advice is always to forget about making money at first. You can't do that until you have decent sites that draw in natural traffic. So spend the next year learning HTML, CSS, PHP, MySQL and basic Photoshop while working on a couple projects on topics that you have a strong personal interest in. Use those to refine your skills and then branch out when you know your stuff.

You'll see people all over the forums talking about traffic gathering schemes such as article submission, comment spam, etc... but that is pure BS since your traffic stops when you stop those efforts. The people relying on that stuff almost always have sites that suck and thus can't draw in any real traffic, so they have to take measures to force the traffic. You don't want to be one of those idiots.