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THIS COULD MEAN BANKRUPTCY FOR TONS OF DOMAINERS AND A TON MORE COMPETITION ONLINE!

NEW YORK — Amazon.com wants ".joy," Google wants ".love" and L'Oreal wants ".beauty."

Big brands are behind hundreds of proposals for new Internet addresses, including scores for generic terms such as "cruise," ".kids" and ".tires."

If approved, Amazon could use ".author" in an attempt to dominate online bookselling, while Google could use ".love" to collect registration fees from its rivals.

Amazon and Google also are vying for ".app" and ".music," while the wine company Gallo Vineyards Inc. wants ".barefoot."

It's all part of the largest expansion of the Internet address system since its creation in the 1980s, a process likely to cause headaches for some companies while creating vast opportunities for others.

The organization in charge of Internet addresses, the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers, announced the proposals for Internet suffixes Wednesday. A suffix is the ".com" part in a domain name.

The bids now go through a review that could take months or years. Up to 1,000 suffixes could be added each year.

There were 1,930 proposals for 1,409 different suffixes. The bulk of proposals that met the May 30 deadline came from North America and Europe. About 100 were for suffixes in non-English characters, including Chinese, Arabic and Thai.

From a technical standpoint, the names let Internet-connected computers know where to send email and locate websites. But they've come to mean much more. For Amazon.com Inc., for instance, the domain name is the heart of the company, not just an address.


A new suffix could be used to identify sites that have a certain level of security protection. It could be used to create online neighborhoods of businesses affiliated with a geographic area or an industry. French cosmetics giant L'Oreal, for instance, proposed ".beauty" as a home for beauty products and general information on personal beauty.

"The Internet is about to change forever," ICANN CEO Rod Beckstrom declared. "We're standing at the cusp of a new era of online innovation, innovation that means new businesses, new marketing tools, new jobs, new ways to link communities and share information."

But there's a question of how useful the new names will be. Alternatives to ".com" introduced over the past decade have had mixed success. These days, Internet users often find websites not by typing in the address but by using a search engine. And with mobile devices getting more popular, people are using apps to bypass Web browsers entirely.

Many businesses worry that they'll have to police the Internet for addresses that misuse their brands, in many cases paying to register names simply to keep them away from others. It was one thing having some 300 suffixes; it's another to have thousands.

"One thing that's going to occur is a lot of money is going to get sucked out of the ecosystem," said Lauren Weinstein, co-founder of People For Internet Responsibility and a strong critic of ICANN. "The cost is billions and billions of dollars with no value returned to people and an enormous capacity for confusion."

One worry is that an expansion will mean more addresses available to scam artists who use similar-sounding names such as "Amazom" rather than "Amazon" to trick people into giving passwords and credit card information.

The public now has 60 days to comment on the proposals. There's also a seven-month window for filing objections, including claims of trademark violation.

Of the 1,930 proposals, 1,179 were unique and 751 were for 230 different suffixes. ICANN will hold an auction if competing bidders cannot reach a compromise. Most of the duplicate bids were for generic names, though the Guardian newspaper and The Guardian Life Insurance Co. both sought ".guardian."

Bidders had to pay $185,000 per proposal. If approved, each suffix would cost at least $25,000 a year to maintain, with a 10-year commitment required. By comparison, a personal address with a common suffix such as ".com" usually costs less than $10 a year.

ICANN has received some $350 million in application fees. The money will be used to set up the system, review applications and make sure parties do what they have promised once the suffix is operational. Some of the money will be set aside to cover potential lawsuits from unsuccessful applicants and others.

Some of the proposals are for suffixes to be reserved for in-house use. Yahoo Inc. and Microsoft Corp., for instance, plan to restrict ".yahoo and ".microsoft" to their sites or affiliates, while keeping their current names under ".com." If Google Inc. wins its bid for ".search," the search leader won't let rivals use it.

But there are hundreds of proposals for generic names that the public would be able to buy names under – for $10 or thousands depending on the suffix. Some are coming from entrepreneurs or businesses that specialize in domain names.

Others are from big technology companies. That means Google, for instance, could charge its fiercest rivals for rights to "Microsoft.love," "Facebook.love" and "Apple.love." Google declined comment.

Amazon has bids for 76 names, many related to businesses the online bookseller now dominates or might want to. Besides ".book" and ".author," Amazon is seeking ".joy."

That worries Stephen Ewart, marketing manager of Names.co.uk, a domain name reseller that stands to gain from registrations under new suffixes, including ".joy" if it is approved.

"Once you own these spaces, you can write your own terms and conditions," he says. "Big brands can decide who can be there and decide what can be put in that space. It's a bit cynical to think someone can be locked out of joy."

"Do we want the likes of Amazon owning joy?" he asks.

Amazon declined comment.

Amazon and Google are among 13 bidders for ".app." Both companies operate stores for distributing apps for mobile devices running Google's Android system. That could shut out Apple Inc. and its rival iPhone and iPad devices.

While Google applied for 101 suffixes, Apple sought only one, ".apple." EBay Inc. and Facebook Inc. didn't propose for any. It was Amazon that bid for ".like" – the button on Facebook that lets users recommend links and brands to friends.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...mong-suf_n_1592839.html?utm_hp_ref=technology
 
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.com will erode imo. It's only so long a bubble can last. Users will not pay a premium for a .com when they can get keyword+new extension.

That's like saying Virgin Cola is about to take over and the Coke and Pepsi bubble is about to burst. Ain't no bubble. Gold isn't a bubble.

You have the normal marketing dollars businesses put in, they would have to spend even more because of the new extension, when they could take the money and put it to a good .com in the first place.

Besides all the confusion, leakage, and all the other problems brought up already in various threads and blogs.

Businesses already existing, already have their domains and the money they put into it already, they're not going to change. The only real target is new business. A serious business, with some sort of clue of consumer behavior, won't touch these, maybe amateurs will. And they'll be sorry for it later. It's hard enough for businesses out there, it'll be even harder trying to market it on some novelty extension.

Let me add something else I found funny, from Frank Schilling's blog:

"Recall the time when Budweiser switched their core marketing to Bud.TV, only to retreat to the familiar Bud.Com when they realized they alone were “innovating” in that space."

I could bring up Overstock and their .co fiasco, they retreated as well, went back home to .com.

That's from a big company with some marketing dollars. Again, do you think a big company is going to abandon their .com and try these out? Of course not. Do you think some rinky dink mom and pop business is going to move the internet to these new extensions? Of course not.

If you read some of the comments from the article linked to in the first post, normal, outside this business, people are clowning on these extensions. Not a good sign.

Really all a company has to do is get creative, come up with an original name, a brand, and pay a whopping $8 or so.
 
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If anyone plans to drop their quality .COM to invest in great alternatives like .Physio, .CancerResearch, .CashBackBonus, .Duck, or .Ketchup (all real extensions) please let me know. I am willing to take them off your hands for peanuts.

Brad
 
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Point 1) 2013 and 2014 will be very good years for buying .com / .net / .org / .info from others, since probably many will be influenced by the hype and spend some money in the new tlds. And many owners of the established extensions might get nervous and sell their names cheaper that they would do today. Therefore, i personally am preparing to buy a lot of .coms, and CCTlds etc. in the following years and am saving funds just to do that.

Point 2) There is no difference between a .BIZ , .TV , .info , .JOBS, etc. and the new extensions coming out next. We saw how "successful" these extenions were in the last years and how they "ruined" the .com Owners (/sarcasm off). The only difference will be that the new extenions will not even have the "success" of .biz / .jobs / .etc because these extenions didn't have much competition (from others TLDs) when they came out and even WITHOUT the competition they were NOT successful, something like .BIZ or .INFO would have been two of the best TLDs coming out 2013 (IF they were not operating already). Now With 1000s of TLDs coming out next year, calculate the Chance of them to be successfull based ON FACTS (FACTS: similar tlds in the past , i.e. BIZ , JOBS , MUSEUM, etc.)

3) Don't trust People Who Tell You in Their Blogs, etc. How Successful the new TLDs will become. Some of them are involved indirectly in one or more of those tlds. So they want you to believe that and spend your money in Reg Fees.

Conclusion: Base your Opinion on FACTS not on DREAMS
 
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some feel all this upcoming confusion will only make .com stronger
 
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ICANN has received some $350 million in application fees. The money will be used to set up the system, review applications and make sure parties do what they have promised once the suffix is operational. Some of the money will be set aside to cover potential lawsuits from unsuccessful applicants and others.

1. Yeah, right! Just like ICANN don't do already with tld's they already control. Making sure Registrars obey their flaky rules.

2. If they are reserving money for potential lawsuits, it just goes to show what a bunch of !@#$ this whole new tld thing is all about.

3. $350M is a nice bunch of non-refundable change going straight into ICANN's coffers to pay for even more lavish junkets.
 
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People outside the loop treat TLDs like DVD vs Blueray... Casette Tape vs CD...

They think "This is new. It will replace the old."


That's entirely wrong. With BluRay, with CDs, with MP3s and iPads... those replace old tech because they OFFER SOMETHING BENEFICIAL.

Right those created benefits for consumers.

However the new gTLD was not some organic solution that was created by popular demand, it was a solution that was created for a problem that did not exist.

It is a cash grab for ICANN and other major players (registries, registrars, consultants, etc). The rich get richer.

There is absolutely no benefit to the general public.

All the people who think these new TLDs are going to destroy .com need to look at how "popular" all the current forgettable TLDs are.

How many of us have been to a single .name website on a regular bases?

If .Travel, .Jobs can't make it why would loading the marketplace with thousands of crappy alternatives do any better?

Brad

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Justin.tv (by the way a dumb squatter bought justintv.com for $23,000 to capitalize but justin.tv couldn't care less)

Actually they did care, because Justin.TV lost a ton of traffic to JustinTV.com. In fact they filed and won a UDRP for the domain -

http://www.udrpsearch.com/naf/1436777

Brad
 
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Another effect of allowing vanity TLDs is that ICANN cuts out the middleman - in essence selling directly to end users for sums that registrars can only dream of.

Reportedly, ICANN has taken in over $350 million in TLD application fees, which is practically all profit (ie. for GoDaddy to match that, assuming they net a generous $2 per domain, they'd still have to sell 175 million to match what ICANN did in one swoop!), and that's just at the get-go. TLD registrants will have to pony up around $25K or even more every year.

The idea that vanity TLD holders are going to act like traditional registrars and open up registration to the public is a farce, and many of the TLD applications clearly reflect that, such as MCDONALDS, METLIFE, ALLSTATE, DUPONT, FIRESTONE, etc.

While the motivation of ICANN is clearly $$$, the end result may be something even worse for the public at large - such vanity TLDs, many of which are restricted, could lead to increased balkanization of the internet.
 
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.com has no intrinsic value.
Disagree. A subset of .coms spits out cash 24-7 on autopilot. Type-ins, parked. Try that with .ketchup. It's still possible in 2012 to hand reg earners or buy them at fair multiples. No crystal ball required. Hope and spare change don't pay the bills. Intrinsic value does.
 
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They were talking about this on the news about 2 hrs ago.

Its just more pollution for the internet.
The general public as it is cant remember one TLD from the next.

That is why .COM will always be king.
Of course many country codes will continue to be King in their own right like .DE and so on but as it is most people think of .COM way before they think of .NET .ORG or anything else.
 
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People outside the loop treat TLDs like DVD vs Blueray... Casette Tape vs CD...

They think "This is new. It will replace the old."


That's entirely wrong. With BluRay, with CDs, with MP3s and iPads... those replace old tech because they OFFER SOMETHING BENEFICIAL.


hello.kids offers NOTHING over hellokids.com


In fact, if you tell 100 people "Go to hello.kids" without letting them jot it down (as if they heard it in passing or in the car on the radio) they will get home at the end of the day and immediately try to go to hellokids.com instead.

When it doesn't resolve to the correct webpage, they'll probably give up.



All the people who think these new TLDs are going to destroy .com need to look at how "popular" all the current forgettable TLDs are.

How many of us have been to a single .name website on a regular bases?
 
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Finite shelf space is a significant barrier to new TLD visibility and adoption. John Q Public goes to Godaddy, is greeted by a search box with com default, ignores the TLD dropdown, types in SLD and clicks 'search'. The next page says com is taken and offers co/info/net/org/ws/us/ca/biz/mobi options above the fold. It's a motley crew but it's product on the shelf. John has a short attention span and no patience to boot. He either takes a sad sack TLD off the shelf or searches different SLDs until the pizza arrives. Can web or llc knock ws or mobi off the shelf? Does Dolly Parton sleep on her back? No big deal. New sad sacks. Shelf space (screen size) is shrinking. Dotcom isn't.
 
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All I see commenting on this thread are a bunch of johnny-cum-lately butt-hurt lower tier hobbyist domainers with less than stellar domains

Look at their sales site in their sig & you will see it made up (not small number) of bunch of crappy .US/Biz etc that some "end user" MIGHT pay $200 for

It's not like you're the fat watermelon farmer or Telepathy etc with coveted high value domains etc

Truth is, most end users are indifferent to wanting your 5 times removed from the root keywords & would rather handreg some brandable name for $10 than pay $500 for your domain.

:lol:
 
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That is pre-emptive cybersquatting. They have no intent on development, just keep renewing until a company names themself that name.

"Pre-Emptive Cybersquatting".

By definition, registering a term before a TM exists is not cybersquatting.

Cybersquatting (also known as domain squatting), according to the United States federal law known as the Anticybersquatting Consumer Protection Act, is registering, trafficking in, or using a domain name with bad faith intent to profit from the goodwill of a trademark belonging to someone else.

Everyone knows the old Big 3 (COM/NET/ORG) are dead.

25+ years of history, awareness, credibility and usage will be instantly wiped out.

The new Big 3 will be .Ninja / .Physio / .CashBackBonus

(end sarcasm)
 
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what im talking about is just the possibility of the general public waking up that other TLD's exist BECAUSE there are SO many companies using them and advertising them at once.
I'm not quite sure. In general there is a consensus that .com or the local extension is preferred for serious business ventures. You will always see oddities but it's the general impression that counts. Even when new TLDs are rolled out they won't be the norm. Just to become 'mainstream' is going to take a long time.

Awareness is just the beginning of the journey.
The real challenge is to convince end users to put their business on new extensions. Remember that they will have plenty to choose from. The market share of each will be diluted as a result. A few should stand out, the rest will be as popular as .coop or .aero.

I think domainers have always overestimated the size and potential of the domain market. Even in .com you can still find decent handregs. The shortage of domains is not so extreme that oddball extensions are suddenly becoming appealing. Icann brought a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.
 
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wheres Jeff when you need some "unique and compelling thoughts" on the "highly brandable .web"
 
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"User trends change and if someone comes out with a good quality BEVERAGE they have a fair chance of taking a good share of the market."

Not if the satisfaction level is met. Coke and Pepsi satisfies most people's cola needs. You can have a great cola, even a better tasting cola, too late. Ask Coke. Most Coke drinkers actually preferred the taste of New Coke over the Original in blind taste test studies but take the blindfold off and then let them choose, they went Original. You can look at Google and search. You had Teoma, AllTheWeb, just as good or better, too late. Google was already ingrained, just like .com.

".com is only "king" because historically internet users have lacked the awareness that there are other extensions out there. One or two extensions would emerge every so often like .mobi and .tel, only to be shelved."

There are alternative extensions already out there. They haven't taken off. What makes you think this time it will? Especially when there is a flood of them.

".com is the most registered but also the most squatted domain. Think of any good name, type it into a domain search and it will be taken. Check the site and it will be spam or parked. Rather than spend the time negotiating with the owner or squatter, people are finding creative solutions."

If the creative solution is one I mentioned, come up with something original.com. Lots of companies have. Name some big companies with greatkeyword.exotic extension.

As far as parked domains, you act like that's not going to happen with these new extensions. Yes, some .coms are parked, as in other extensions. But the biggest sites in the world are on these mainstream extensions as well.

"That being said, every dynasty has a timeframe. Nothing lasts forever. .com had its time and did well. But its time of ruling the internet is coming to a end."

Gold and Coke have a pretty solid history. You saying that .com is coming to an end is one of the more ridiculous statements you can could make.
 
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I hope they make a million more crappy extensions. It just means more money for domainers, not the other way around.

Those who have good .coms will get free traffic from those who build on those crappy tlds.
 
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1) I don't think the primary issue for domainers is going to come from this direction, imo. As technology adds layers of comfort onto the user experience, it will be interesting to see if people become less inclined to slip out of the comfort zone of a controlled environment, such as the plethora of handheld devices currently vying for dominance.



2) .barefoot? Seriously?

Might I suggest '.Ijustblewmycompanysmarketingmoneyfor10yearsonthisstupidextension'


3) I wonder when we will see the first extension actually die? That question brings up a whole lot of interesting thoughts.
 
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.com has no intrinsic value. It's value is determined by the market.
That is, demand... crap is not in demand.

People new to the market will be faced with the choice of buying a new extension for under $50 or paying 10000+ for the overinflated .com.
It's their problem, not mine :tu:

Easy choice imo thats why .com will be on the decline shortly. I'm not saying it's dead but it will lose its stranglehold on the market.
In a way, .com has been losing ground to ccTLDs, but only in relative terms.

For those who think that running a TLD is a licence to print money, the experiences of gTLDs introduced since 2000 suggest otherwise. In the past 10 years, .com’s market share may have declined from approximately 50% in 2001 to 44% in 201013, but in real terms .com registrations have nearly quadrupled. In contrast, the domain intended to offer direct competition (.biz) has stayed level at around 2% of market share. The most successful of the new gTLDs, .info, with 7m domains after 10 years of operation, has only just overtaken its original “moderate” projections for 5 years.

According to ICANN economic analysis, .mobi’s relevance had declined with advances in device aware web-technologies, and this may have contributed to a low renewal rate (37%) . The study warned that “failure to take potential alternatives into account can result in a significant over-estimate of the likely benefits of a gTLD”. Even for restricted domains, such as .museum, the study found that only 1.4% of eligible registrants (ie museums) had registered in the domain. Similarly, low registration figures in .aero indicate that “airports have not perceived significant benefits from the gTLD”.
https://www.centr.org/main/6255-CTR/version/default/part/AttachmentData/data?branch=1&language=1

Remember that ccTLDs are not going to be affected much by vanity gTLDs, with the possible exception of geoTLDs like .paris .berlin etc but even if they are to be fully open to the public without restrictions they will still be niche extensions. .berlin will never be more valuable than .de.

Today it's lots of buzz and hype, but reality will soon settle in. Maybe it's an opportunity to catch strong domains like in 2001-2002 when people were seized by panic, lost faith and dropped domains that were very viable and sellable.
 
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.biz could not differentiate itself from any other gtld so it failed

.info is relatively successful, and is popular in europe

.mobi failed because technology has advanced so there is no need for an extension for mobile only, as the sites automatically adjust now. It was initially successful, but failed because of this tech advancement.

.tel failed because it doesn't even give you ability to set up a website, only a stupid page. It was suppose to come out 10 years earlier. It was ancient by the time it debuted.
OK, you persuaded me. Where do I pre-register .ketchup SLDs?
 
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Com isn't going anywhere but other opportunities will grow in other extensions, and others will fail, it's the nature of things in general and TLDs are no exception.
That's the key. New extensions are not going to make the established ones irrelevant.
That's why .com has continued to grow while ccTLDs have been soaring. There is room for both. There is not dotcom killer.

But it is important to consider that the majority of proposed TLDs are niche TLDs. Those that take off and that are not strictly private (such as corpTLDs) will have limited market share. Which means no consumer awareness. A few could do well but they will be competing with potentially hundreds of others, it's very different than in recent years when new TLDs were introduced one at a time and were spared massive new competition.

In very practical terms, consumers will continue to visit registrars in order to register domains. The default extension will be .com along a dozen of suggested alternatives. But the registrars cannot showcase 1000 extensions efficiently without confusing customers. So it is clear that choices will be made. The number of extensions on the front display will be limited, just like today in fact.

Ecalc said it well.
 
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Berkshire Hathaway to Acquire Dot Info Horde

Omaha, NE June 16, 2012
Berkshire Hathaway Inc. Chairman and CEO Warren Buffett announced that Berkshire will acquire a massive portfolio of dot info domain names. The transaction is expected to close in late July, pending approval of the seller and is also subject to customary closing conditions including regulatory approvals and a medical exam. “Dot info is relatively successful and popular in Europe,” said Buffett. “We are delighted to report that these babies fly under the radar of dot com squatters.” Buffett did not explain the reversal of his no internet investment policy, mumbling quotes from 'name pros' between puffs of Chesterfield and swigs of Old Crow. Charlie Munger stood by chewing his nails like a hobo on a double whopper. In addition to the dot infos, the purchase includes a daily newspaper in Council Bluffs and used cars in two states. Buffett added that the purchase is consistent with his new vision to 'own' the internet. “Warren Buffett’s offer to purchase our names presented a unique opportunity to address our long-term capital needs and get a color TV,” said the anonymous seller.

About Berkshire
Berkshire Hathaway and its subsidiaries engage in diverse business activities including property and casualty insurance and reinsurance, utilities and energy, freight rail transportation, finance, manufacturing, retailing and services. Common stock of the company is listed on the New York Stock Exchange, trading symbols BRK.A and BRK.B.

Cautionary Statement
Certain statements contained in this press release are “forward looking” statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These statements are not guaranties of future performance and actual results may differ materially from those forecasted.
 
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I agree with Scandiman's point that .brand may become a status indicator with not-.brand domains being a poor man's alternative for companies. But generic terms will still make sense for selling things, unless of course Google continues scaring people off EMD names.

But here is an interesting thought: how does a member of the public do a typein for .brand? What would you type? info.brand? home.brand? com.brand? Or will Google redirect a search for a keyword to .keyword?

Similar debates raged regarding .mobi and mobile webpage naming conventions... Brand.mobi vs m.brand.com vs auto detection/redirection vs some other subdomain or sub directory. Thing is it all coexists and will for quite some time to come because they all work. Companies will deploy their .brands in ways that make sense for their business models. Some may sell/offer domains as part of community membership like facebook, some may use them as solid indicators of security like financial institutions, we'll see. Point is that it all can work, no standard need exist. Home.brand is 1 character longer than brand.com ...BFD. Nobody cares about that beyond domainers making silly arguments. But a corps legal/IP/web depts absolutely love having ultimate control over their webspace, no more concerns over accidental drops, no more registrars or registries to deal with that can possibly ruin their web presence through some dumb mistake or inappropriate response to legal claims or govt intimidation. Its just them and ICANN now, whole new paradigm and I expect some will make heavy use of this new level of control and autonomy.

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Dell.com works just fine, no reason to fiddle with it.

When your business is crippled after your domain.com is seized by the govt without due process through the registrar and/or registry (as has happened in the recent past) you may change your outlook on this.
 
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