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.com vs .net vs .org valuation correlation

Labeled as opinion in Domain Selling and Domain Sales started by Southtexas81, Dec 3, 2018.

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  1. Southtexas81

    Southtexas81 New Member

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    If a .com domain name was sold at $100k what would be the value of the .net and .org of the exact matching name?
     
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  2. wesley sweatman

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    id say 5-10% of the .com but that's not the interest of it just the value.
     
  3. wesley sweatman

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    sometimes its such a popular word or name that they pay 50% of it.
     
  4. Southtexas81

    Southtexas81 New Member

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    I'm looking to buy a .org name. The .com name and .net is taken BUT my question was hypothetical because the .com owner actually wants $600k for his .com name. The .net is in use but not very appealing. The exact match keywords generate 60,000 searches per month worldwide. I have spoken to the owner of this .com domain name and he said he turned down $100k. The guy is a multi millionaire so letting it go is not a priority nor interest in using it. I feel because i know where he sets his value for the .com that the .org should pull in more than it is currently worth if he was ever to sell it. Am I right at least about that assumption?
     
  5. wesley sweatman

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    you are correct sir.
     
  6. wesley sweatman

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    can you pm me the name?
     
  7. Southtexas81

    Southtexas81 New Member

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    After I buy the .org in 2 days I will.
     
  8. Kate

    Kate Domainosaurus Rex VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    The question has been asked over and over.
    It's like asking how long is a piece of string.

    First of all, many sales are one of a kind. A name may sell in .com but is unlikely to sell in another extension, unless for example it is a generic term. But what is valuable in .com may have little value in .net/.org, and thus never sell.
    You should ask yourself why the domain is still available if it's valuable.
     
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  10. Southtexas81

    Southtexas81 New Member

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    True but it's the most popular keyword within my niche. Plus I dont think people realize it's available. 99% of all extensions are taken but not the .org. it's a gold nugget waiting to turn into a gold bar. That's my take .
     
  11. Surender Singh

    Surender Singh meritjet.com

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    I will also wait if you can share here on this post or via PM😊
     
  12. Jurgen Wolf

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    This is not just about keyword... but mostly about TRAFFIC...
    .com gets type-in traffic... that's why such difference in its value vs .net/.org where traffic is slightly higher than 0.
     
  13. Southtexas81

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    .com in this niche receives zero traffic because the owner never optimized it. Does not appear in searches. Only the .net does. And only the .net out of all owned extensions appears in Google 1st page searches because he has a website. I guess I'm getting off topic of my original question. I see your point but I think there are special circumstances in play. I'm not a reseller. I'm just curious. Because I know my niche very well and the who's who of this niche my educated guess it can easily net $30k. I'm just trying to find out how off I am. Plus I own 30 more names.
     
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  14. Fancy.domains

    Fancy.domains Selling gTLDs like delicious hotcakes Gold Account VIP

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    It would be interesting to run all sold domains in the Dnpric.es database and get the % price data, for the same keyword(s) sold in different extensions.

    Maybe it’s possible?!
     
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    I'm talking about type-in traffic...
    Not about Search or backlinks.
     
  17. Ategy.com

    Ategy.com NameCult.com Gold Account VIP

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    Any answer in terms of % is WRONG!

    In fact .. the only "reliable" answer is "0% .. with a lot of exceptions".

    You need to keep in mind that your original question completely ignores the very important and huge difference between .com, .net and .org .. this should be your question ...
    Basically you need to keep in mind that most domains that exist and sell in .com will never sell in neither .net or .org at any percentage. I'd say that was the case for a vast majority of domains.

    .net in my eyes has essentially gone down from one of the common base TLD's, to a very good ngTLD (tech related) .. meaning that it's still good to grab (1) tech terms, or (2) short super-strong real word brandables that could be used by a tech company (like "apple", "oracle", "monkey", etc). For those 2 very small and specific sub-sets of .net yes you can generally maybe get anywhere from 1% to 5% of the .com (keeping in mind that even with the difference, there will be more demand for the .com). Bear in mind that 1-5% is just a perceived average, and that it will really depend on the exact domain, as it could easily be far less than 1%. Conversely just a very small chance of anything close to 10% of .com.

    Also remember that the value of a domain has absolutely nothing to do with what the .com is selling for, the value of a domain is what it actually sells for. There are tons of domains that will never sell for even $1000 that are listed at 6 figures.

    .org on the other hand hasn't really changed or dropped at all. But again, just like .net is now, the domain absolutely needs to make sense for .org. I like .org's for information/help type sites. Obviously products, industry associations and non-profits. Essentially .org is when you want the site visitors to perceive you are not-for-profit or impartial (reviews). So strong generic terms here, not brandables. IF the domain makes sense in .org, then I think the average relative value or .org is stronger than the average relative value of .net.

    Also keep in mind that there are very few domains that work .net that also would work in .org.

    So at the end of the day, you should never consider a .net or .org to automatically be any fixed % of the .com. Most of the time you should never buy either because they will simply never sell unless you get extremely lucky.
     
  18. Jeff_Libert

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    .Com vs. Org - there are too many variables to offer a simple equation or ratio.

    Some .Org domains are perfectly suited to perform as well and have as much utility (and potential to generate a cash flow) as the .Com version.

    For example:

    Tourism.com vs. Tourism.org? Multi-billion dollar "industry". Who is better positioned? I'm not going to say .Com is the winner.

    Commerce.com vs. Commerce.org? Ditto. Trade.com vs. Trade.org? You start to get the idea.

    Investing.com vs. Investing.org -> "Oh, well, you can set up Investing.com as a site that engages in commercial activity!" Ummm . . yeah . . but is that what they've actually spun up on Investing.com . . or is it a simply "news and info" site . . and please don't tell me that Investing.org won't work just as well, if not better. Furthermore. Investing.org might be superior if one chose to focus on green and socially conscious investing - an emerging and substantial fork of the investing space. There's room for .Com and .Org to compete.

    I could go on but I trust I've advanced my point at least a little few yards down the playing field towards the goal of convincing you that's there isn't a simple formula or ratio to evaluate a .Com vs. a .Org prime commercial domain, that is, a business-centric, high value market, and has a high search volume.

    And, yes, I'm the registrant of the example domains and a few more that work equally well as commercial grade domains . . under the .Org extension. For example: Airport.org, Export.org, Manufacturing.org, . . . etc.

    Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying ALL .Org domains are in the same league. They're not. Sneakers.com beats Sneakers.org. (You MIGHT build a "buy one, we'll give one away site on Sneakers.org - the chosen business model utility is a variable.)

    However, "commercial grade", one word, industry defining, high search volume, significant size industry domains . . they're in a league of their own.

    Don't subscribe to an BS simplistic formula . . unless you're in the market attempting to snatch a .Org domain on the cheap. Then, for sure, argue for "it's 5-10% of the value of the .Com". Accept that valuation along with the sack of manure that comes with it. :p :-/

    Alrighty, back to being a ghost. Just here by circumstance. A/K/A CrankyOldMan @ long gone DomainState (miss that place and a few of the fellas that used to post there) and Webwork @ WebmasterWorld.
     
  19. Jeff_Libert

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    In re: .Net domains - "Back in the day", when a keyword in a domain had value for SEO purposes, there was utility to .Net domains and some were deployed, with other significant SEO skillz, to great success. Today? Meh. A lot of .Net domains that once ruled the SERPs have been allowed to drop and rightfully so.

    Does that mean I don't own any .Net domains? No, I hold a few. Very few. Like Ategy said ~~ they have to fit the specification of the .Net gTLD, that is, IMHO "network related". For example, IF you owned ISP.net, Servers.net, Routers.net, or Hosting.net you'd be doing alright.

    The few I own are like Intranets.net, Extranets.net, VirtualPrivateNetwork(s).net, etc. Not many but all "on target". Otherwise I don't touch them. I wouldn't turn my nose on something like Mortgage.net or Homes.net but I also wouldn't lose my mind bidding on them. YMMV.
     
  20. Fancy.domains

    Fancy.domains Selling gTLDs like delicious hotcakes Gold Account VIP

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    Great, thanks!

    I’ve missed that one. Really interesting results!
     
  21. Jeff_Libert

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    Sedo %s skew based on Sedo's sales, by which I mean Sedo moves a high volume of marginal (non-brokered) domains ~~$2,000 to $7500. . . with occasional exceptional weeks. (DNJournal does a decent job of confirming this assertion.

    Do you know how many sales I've "reported" . . anywhere?
    0
    None
    Nada

    I also have a good idea of who holds many of the prime .Org domains and these are the folks who don't go out of their way to broadcast their activities.

    I'm not putting up numbers for the same reasons, tho I've been around the domain world since the days of Domain Gold Rush . . ~~1998.

    IF you're selling "at the margins" then go ahead and integrate Sedo's numbers into your thinking. It likely will help to temper your expectations. If you're holding onto a bit of "domain gold" then the math starts to get a bit more complicated.

    This 5% or 10% talk reminds of the days when people were arguing for domain values based upon domain parking revenue and multiples thereof . . . like "I'll pay you based upon 1 or 18 months parking revenue . . but I'm not going up to 2-3 years . . because . . "

    IF I followed ^that^ "wisdom" it would have cost me dearly, on actual eventual enduser sales.

    YMMV.
     
  22. Southtexas81

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    I think you've nailed it for my situation. Everyone here has a broadview. But for a situation I have on a specific domain name I agree with you. I'm not trying to sell this .org name. I'm thinking of blowing the doors off whoever owns the .net and steal the show as the go to site for info etc. with the #1 niche name. My goal is to dominate my niche. I'm very aware of investing.com and your example fits exactly what i thought about wordpress.com and wordpress.org. The .org with wordpress dominates the .com.
    I have turned horrible names into gold before because i had a website. And my .org name that i have bought now like i said every extention is taken except for that one until now. That to me makes it very desirable and as a forum website or news etc. i'm excited.
     
  23. Ategy.com

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    If you aren't going to be selling the domain, then you are an end-user buyer. Which has nothing to do with if you were to buy it as a domainer. This is a domaining forum, so all the advice you got was in the case you were looking to buy the domain with intent to resell at a profit.

    If you're actually going to build out the domain into a website and business, then the value of the domain is whatever amount you feel the domain will save you in other marketing costs to bring you your desired traffic.

    Here too it definitely depends on the specific domain/niche .. and it's still essentially impossible to give you a percentage without knowing the exact domain ...

    On top of that .. you don't even know what the baseline is .. because even if you had a percentage, it would be wrong to use that percentage on the $600k you mentioned above. The .com is only worth $600k if it actually sells for $600k .. the fact it is listed at $600k means absolutely nothing at all. Depending on the niche, if the domain does indeed make sense in .net and there are no other alternative rewordings in .com, then it could mean you'd be more likely to sell (because the .com isn't realistically available), but you are still totally blind if you're looking for a comparative relative (%) price.

    So .. lol .. at the end of the day .. again .. any general advice here is pretty useless without knowing the exact domain ...
     
  24. BarryDavis

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    Actually the .com is sometimes not the most valuable. cdn.net sold for $185,000 in march 2012. Estibot currently values cdn.net at $190,000 and cdn.com at only $45,000.

    I paid over $4,800 for blog-directory.org. blog-directory.com is currently for sale on godaddy.com for $1,599 and I feel it is over priced.
     
  25. iDestroyer

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    I own 12 of such "gold nuggets" .org and few .net been over 1 year listed on all major marketplaces, 0 offers. all generic keywords based, each .com and few .net were sold for over $50k-$80k each. selling prices was the main reason why i registered it, thought of getting like 10% of .com that be good ROI. so far i am down $120.
     

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