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There is nothing wrong with posting "$2000 is the sweet spot for good LLL.co". I've seen quite a few excellent LLL.co sell at that range, of late. How is that not contributary? An observation, that's it. Maybe some share that observation and some do not. Just because I am terse does not mean it is not contributary. As a matter of fact, some people write pages and say nothing. Better to be terse than verbose.

BTW, any kind of appraisal is useless with domains. That's rule number one. I'm sure Textbooks.co would have sold at the auction for $2000 or so and yet it sold on the market for $12000. As I said, appraisals are useless, especially when you are looking for endusers. Giving appraisals is more of a fun thing that really has little meaning at the end of the day..

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The way that you express yourself in this .co thread is much different than MG's style. You have a sensible approach which one can learn something from, whether the opinion is against .co or not. Your views on keywords are especially helpful because they are useful for any extension.

MG writes in a way that is hard to learn from. I don't often see substance in it but rather quite a bit of derision.

Look at the thread title -

CO - The OFFICIAL Discussion, Showcase and Sales

This thread is open to both sides of the debate. This is not just a pro .CO thread.

Microguy is as entitled to his opinion as you are.

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Giving appraisals is more of a fun thing that really has little meaning at the end of the day..

Do you think everyone realizes this?

Bear in mind responses like "But Estibot says.." and ""I paid for an appraisal" and threads asking if "Sedo appraisal any good..."

Just saying people should be careful (not just you or me) bandying numbers around.

Cheer up, everyone.
 
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99% of domainers think .CO sucks. 99% of end users won't consider .CO (those who aren't confused by it's not COM/Co.UK)

Yes, now I understand this is the ".CO Sucks" forum. That's a darn shame. I was hoping NamePros was the place for meaningful business discussion of the buying and selling of .CO domains.

I can't imagine trolling the .BIZ forum to tell them how much they suck. I prefer to spend my time building my own business, rather than tearing down others.
 
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Yes, now I understand this is the ".CO Sucks" forum. That's a darn shame. I was hoping NamePros was the place for meaningful business discussion of the buying and selling of .CO domains.

I can't imagine trolling the .BIZ forum to tell them how much they suck. I prefer to spend my time building my own business, rather than tearing down others.

...it is SUPPOSED to be the place for INTELLIGENT and meaningful business discussions, but as you can see, for some, it is more important to degrade an extension than make an observation, positive or negative, and go from there. There can be negative evaluations that can be made intelligently but once the gang mentality slips in, mob becomes the rule of the day.

While I only own one .co name, I can see value in others and even those that I discount as too challenging for me may have some value to an enduser looking for a name that may be not available or may be cost prohibitive in other extensions.

The problem with domainers is just that...they are domainers and some have a myopic view of anything but what is to the right of their own dot in their portfolio. They can't let that go nor, it seems at times, can they think outside the box all that much.

You're responses only add the proverbial fuel to the fire, so to speak. The result is the qrm(man-made noise) becomes louder and rather than filtering it out by thanking them for their opinion and moving on you entangle yourself into their web, wherein the resulting taunts become more blatant and distractive and disruptive to the extension's communtiy as whole, thus creating the effect of chasing away any potential serious investors of the extension.

Not saying you are to blame but it does take two to continue the abasement, if you know what I mean. I don't know if I helped you at all, but best of luck and fortune to you, traveller...
 
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That is an excellent point you make. I think the issue here was the discouragement vs encouragement thing. For those trying to build on this extension or making a go of it from a domaining angle, the constant disparagement is of no value. A sober viewpoint is one thing but intended disparagement is another.

But at the end of the day, you are right. I would prefer to read posts that are insightful, without the for or anti sentiment. I can name many posters here who don't care much for the extension but have some interesting thoughts without the use of disparagement.

Thank-you for your post.

...it is SUPPOSED to be the place for INTELLIGENT and meaningful business discussions, but as you can see, for some, it is more important to degrade an extension than make an observation, positive or negative, and go from there. There can be negative evaluations that can be made intelligently but once the gang mentality slips in, mob becomes the rule of the day.

While I only own one .co name, I can see value in others and even those that I discount as too challenging for me may have some value to an enduser looking for a name that may be not available or may be cost prohibitive in other extensions.

The problem with domainers is just that...they are domainers and some have a myopic view of anything but what is to the right of their own dot in their portfolio. They can't let that go nor, it seems at times, can they think outside the box all that much.

You're responses only add the proverbial fuel to the fire, so to speak. The result is the qrm(man-made noise) becomes louder and rather than filtering it out by thanking them for their opinion and moving on you entangle yourself into their web, wherein the resulting taunts become more blatant and distractive and disruptive to the extension's communtiy as whole, thus creating the effect of chasing away any potential serious investors of the extension.

Not saying you are to blame but it does take two to continue the abasement, if you know what I mean. I don't know if I helped you at all, but best of luck and fortune to you, traveller...
 
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I was noticing CarGames.CO is on page 1 on Google, with over 120 million results.

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Arise.CO on auction at Sedo, currently at $2,500 (to the mods: not mine).
 
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[/COLOR]Arise.CO on auction at Sedo, currently at $2,500 (to the mods: not mine).

I remember that one in the july 19 drops @ godaddy. I bid on it but was outbid. Sold for less than $100 I think.
 
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What does that mean? Looking around NP I would suggest that $30 is the sweet spot. You can't look at some $X,XXX and ignore the vast majority that don't sell - oh, except I guess you can in a buy and sell .CO business thread.

What is someone not pro .CO supposed to think when the claim of $2,000 being a LLL.co sweetspot is made? Those positive claims can't be considered trolling because they're not negative and thus good. I think that's UNICORNING - being so pro and pumping you make the forum seem like some kind of fantasyland.
You are very right.
Most LLL.co are not worth $2,000 and won't be selling in that range. There are plenty of decent LLL.co to be found on the forums for less than $100... and often close to reg fee.
.co domains are not liquid and require more luck to sell than their .com counterparts. There is not enough demand to absorb the supply. The TLD creators know or should know and their whole purpose in life is to create a need that doesn't exist.

For a LLL.com the absolute minimum would be around 3K. But for a LLL.co there is no such benchmark. The absolute minimum is regfee, and that is if the domain actually sells.

NovyTimm, you are new over here that's why you missed the crazy threads about .mobi .eu .asia .tel etc. You couldn't believe the hype and wishful thinking. The bottom line is that in domaining, there is no such thing as excessive bashing or warning about a certain extension, especially when you look at the past :imho:
 
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Do you think everyone realizes this?

Bear in mind responses like "But Estibot says.." and ""I paid for an appraisal" and threads asking if "Sedo appraisal any good..."

Just saying people should be careful (not just you or me) bandying numbers around.
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The thing about this industry is that the adage 'a fool (or at least someone who isn't diligent or careful) and his money are soon parted' certainly applies.

While it's nice to try to help people not lose their shirts the onus is really on them to protect themselves. Besides, all of the negative 'reg fee' and 'drop it' stuff could actually harm someone financially. What if the domain sells later for X amount? Were you doing them a service by 'warning' them with your negative opinions about .co?

This is a risk industry pure and simple. With some extensions the risk is greater. The fact is...people are making money with .co. What is there to dispute?

Everyone has an opinion on the internet and on this forum. When someone says 'take the money and run' and you listen to them it may cost you...maybe substantially. Use your own head here. Only you are negotiating and only you know the particulars and have a feel for the situation. If you are making money and you are happy with it then stay the course. Everything around you is noise coming from fear, jealousy, paternalism or whatever else.

Don't get me wrong...there is a lot of great advice here but you have to look inward to separate the wheat form the chaff. :imho:

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The TLD creators know or should know and their whole purpose in life is to create a need that doesn't exist.

I respectfully disagree. I think there is a need for an alternative to .com for enterprise and I think .co is it. End users seem to agree. It is AT LEAST as viable an alternative as .net and I think it is probably preferable. I would personally rather use .co and my customers feel the same.

I'm biased. I have invested in .co domains. I still am dropping a tonne of them but for solid one/two word keywords and brandables like names and lll then there is a solid aftermarket developing. :imho:
 
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It is AT LEAST as viable an alternative as .net and I think it is probably preferable. I would personally rather use .co and my customers feel the same.

I think one should do a little digging into the differences between a ccTLD and a gTLD before making these types of statements.

The most glaring difference is the lack of a price cap on annual renewals. The other is of course the fact that the applicable Country ultimately controls the policing of "their" TLD. This means they could decide to raise rates on registrants based on website traffic for example.

If you have a busy site, your next renewal jumps to $5,000 year. Or they could decide they don't want Western Yanks registering their domains at all. This is not a risk for .COM based businesses.

This is why no major company that is aware of these pitfalls would roll the dice on .CO. Unless ICANN or some other regulating body changes this ccTLD designation, .CO is just another .SC or .WS looking for a spot to crash. An accident waiting for a place to happen.

My advice to anyone heavily invested in this extension is to become a student of these other failures (.SC raised renewal rates 3X in a single year) to get a taste of what's in store for .CO.

Good luck to all and may the force be with you! IMO.
 
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I think one should do a little digging into the differences between a ccTLD and a gTLD before making these types of statements.

Condescending statement...but I'll respond anyway.

Every domainer knows the difference. Most of the general population don't nor do they care. The same thing you said could apply to .tv or .me or .whatevercomesnext. By your logic no one should ever invest in anything other than .com (or .net or .org) because ICANN is the only trustworthy company and America is infallible and incapable of greed and hubris unlike every other nation on earth which is full of crooks and con artists. Xenophobic much?

Like I said in my other post this industry has it's risks and rewards. You don't invest in .co so you don't sell any. Ipso facto, you have no idea what is selling other than Sedo reports. Your opinions are just opinions and not based on any evidence gained from your own experience in selling. Your words, therefore, have absolutely no import and carry no weight. If you were a .co investor and had experience with the extension then you might be of use in the conversation but you aren't. I'm not sure why you comment so much in this forum but I suspect you aren't here to be helpful.
 
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Yes, now I understand this is the ".CO Sucks" forum. That's a darn shame. I was hoping NamePros was the place for meaningful business discussion of the buying and selling of .CO domains.

You scanned my entire post and that's what you chose to focus on? I stated the fact that most domainers are anti-.co and you turn that into "this is the .CO sucks" forum statement?

While it's nice to try to help people not lose their shirts the onus is really on them to protect themselves. Besides, all of the negative 'reg fee' and 'drop it' stuff could actually harm someone financially.

What if the domain sells later for X amount? Were you doing them a service by 'warning' them with your negative opinions about .co?

Everyone has an opinion on the internet and on this forum. When someone says 'take the money and run' and you listen to them it may cost you...maybe substantially. Use your own head here. Only you are negotiating and only you know the particulars and have a feel for the situation. If you are making money and you are happy with it then stay the course. Everything around you is noise coming from fear, jealousy, paternalism or whatever else.

Don't get me wrong...there is a lot of great advice here but you have to look inward to separate the wheat form the chaff. :imho:

IF you post your names on a forum expect an opinion. You're right - you have to still evaluate based on your own feeling of value.

I hate monetary appraisals for this reason and rather just hear what people thought. For a while .Co would have appraisals almost always $XXX and higher for any name from some people that were a little over enthusiastic.


It is AT LEAST as viable an alternative as .net and I think it is probably preferable. I would personally rather use .co and my customers feel the same.
Funnily enough I'm thinking of incorporating under a name for which I own the .net :) I can't afford the .com and no interest in the .co. (Which is also taken, incidentally, I just checked by someone who owns the hyphen version.org?).

Each to his own. Secret is - if you're selling .co you just need to find the people interested :)

I'm biased. I have invested in .co domains.
The bias runs each way! Acknowledgement of that is something that gives a better way to manage what people's input is worth. imho.
 
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Whoever said that ALL LLL.co are worth $2000? I never said that. I was speaking about end-user sales, as I always do. Because these "$30 specials" you find at Namepros are not high level LLL.co and they are certainly not people who are serious about the industry. They are not "decent" and I think you MUST know that given your previous posts. They are just flippers who don't want to put any work into finding end-users. These flippers are the ones that bring down the industry.

There is no "luck" in selling domains. It's all hard work or being at the right place at the right which is more circumstantial or having extensive contacts (where there is absolutely no luck involved). If you think domain selling is "luck" either you had enough money to buy very high level domains or you don't spend enough time on the phone to potential endusers.

If future results could be predicted from past results, we'd all be billionaires, wouldn't we?

Conservatives and liberals will always see the past differently, that's just how it is.

You are very right.
Most LLL.co are not worth $2,000 and won't be selling in that range. There are plenty of decent LLL.co to be found on the forums for less than $100... and often close to reg fee.
.co domains are not liquid and require more luck to sell than their .com counterparts. There is not enough demand to absorb the supply. The TLD creators know or should know and their whole purpose in life is to create a need that doesn't exist.

For a LLL.com the absolute minimum would be around 3K. But for a LLL.co there is no such benchmark. The absolute minimum is regfee, and that is if the domain actually sells.

NovyTimm, you are new over here that's why you missed the crazy threads about .mobi .eu .asia .tel etc. You couldn't believe the hype and wishful thinking. The bottom line is that in domaining, there is no such thing as excessive bashing or warning about a certain extension, especially when you look at the past :imho:


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Each to his own. Secret is - if you're selling .co you just need to find the people interested :)

You've hit the nail on the head. It's really not that complicated. It's about finding the people who "like" or have "interest" in the extension. All other sweeping generalizations are just Poppycock...

I, personally, don't care how .co "compares" to other extensions, it has it's own life and particular kind of popularity or interest.
 
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Your responses only add the proverbial fuel to the fire, so to speak. The result is the qrm(man-made noise) becomes louder and rather than filtering it out by thanking them for their opinion and moving on you entangle yourself into their web, wherein the resulting taunts become more blatant and distractive and disruptive to the extension's community as whole, thus creating the effect of chasing away any potential serious investors of the extension.

You're right that if you poke the hornets nest, you're gonna get stung. But we must either confront problems or accept them. History has shown that ignoring problems and hoping they go away simply doesn't work.

This forum is what we make it. We can allow a few .COM bullies to drown us out. Or we can turn this forum into a vibrant community for .CO buyers and sellers to meet and conduct legitimate .CO business.

I hate to stir up the pot and leave, but I am taking a year off work for a cross-country RV trip through western USA, Canada and Alaska. You can follow me at npexp dot com. I'll check back occasionally to see how you all are doing. Good luck and good business to all the .CO investors.
 
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History has shown that ignoring problems and hoping they go away simply doesn't work.
History has shown that's true for roof leaks, car problems, health ... but for forums, the opposite holds true :) You also need to not take every negative comment as a contempt for the your position.

I hate to stir up the pot and leave, but I am taking a year off work for a cross-country RV trip through western USA, Canada and Alaska.
Sounds awesome.

I'm sure .CO will be here when you get back - supporters, detractors, and tweeners.

In a year we'll have one more year of information. Two years renewal should be a good benchmark (and an some opportunities for drop watchers)

Have fun. I only wish I had the time. :wave:
 
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You're right that if you poke the hornets nest, you're gonna get stung. But we must either confront problems or accept them. History has shown that ignoring problems and hoping they go away simply doesn't work.

This forum is what we make it. We can allow a few .COM bullies to drown us out. Or we can turn this forum into a vibrant community for .CO buyers and sellers to meet and conduct legitimate .CO business.

I hate to stir up the pot and leave, but I am taking a year off work for a cross-country RV trip through western USA, Canada and Alaska. You can follow me at npexp dot com. I'll check back occasionally to see how you all are doing. Good luck and good business to all the .CO investors.

...I really can't help you as you interpreted my statement in the way that fit your personal agenda, not the reality or totality of what exists for the community as a whole. My advice to you stands, however...by exhibiting your overreactions you have failed to see your active part in the problem that presented itself. I have no more to offer on the subject...

Have a GREAT year! I am sure that you will enjoy the cross-country trip and learn much.
 
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I respectfully disagree. I think there is a need for an alternative to .com for enterprise and I think .co is it. End users seem to agree. It is AT LEAST as viable an alternative as .net and I think it is probably preferable. I would personally rather use .co and my customers feel the same.
Would you really base your business on a stand-alone .co domain ?
 
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Would you really base your business on a stand-alone .co domain ?

Don't get me wrong. I know that .co causes some confusion with some people and .com is the standard bearer. Of course I would prefer the .com all other things being equal but if I could choose between bestsalepricehandbagsonline.com and handbags.co I would definitely choose the latter and I think that is more to the point with .co.
 
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Of course I would prefer the .com all other things being equal but if I could choose between bestsalepricehandbagsonline.com and handbags.co I would definitely choose the latter and I think that is more to the point with .co.

Is that really a realistic choice?

A great term in an average extension is always better than an awful term in .COM

I would take Flowers.cc over JoesFlowerShopInChicago.com, but it is a false comparison.

Brad
 
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Whoever said that ALL LLL.co are worth $2000?

I don't want to search the past posts, but if memory serves me correctly, you said something along the lines of "$2000 seems to be the sweet spot for nice LLL.co". I don't recall you including in that statement that this was for higher end LLL.co and a newbie reading this thread, as most do at the beginning, thinking that he can go get some "nice" LLL.co and flip for $2000 as that is the "sweet spot". They don't know what nice is, and "premium" seems to include every letter in the alphabet lately. That exact statement you made is called pumping an extension

Because these "$30 specials" you find at Namepros are not high level LLL.co and they are certainly not people who are serious about the industry. They are not "decent" and I think you MUST know that given your previous posts. They are just flippers who don't want to put any work into finding end-users. These flippers are the ones that bring down the industry.

WWHHHAATT?? How do members of Namepros who flip names on a forum bring down the industry?? Surely you don't think end-users come to these forums and see that "Namepros member A" sold a domain to "Namepros member B" for "$30" therefore the market must consider those sales, therefore bringing down the industry. Your statements are just not making any sense whatsoever to me.

I am a supporter of .co and would like to see it flourish. I also understand the boundaries and big challenges ahead for it to be successful.

One problem with .co I see happened to me very recently. I decided to create a running blog for a running group my wife and I currently have. I enthusiastically decided to find a .co I could use for it, wanting it to be a somewhat decent keyword or keyword phrase relating to running in the .co extension, not really caring if traffic bled into the .com. I couldn't find anything decent available as everthing was either registered and pointing to a parked page or/and someone wanting way too much. I eventually gave up on finding one in a .co and am going with a good .com brandable I already have. Too bad because I really wanted to develop my blog on a .co.
 
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