domain Cloud - Networks (com)

[lennco]

Appreciate an appraisal for,

.COM

One hyphenated comp I have is-
Cloud-Computing.de - $38,048 Dec 10

Please keep in mind that hyphenated names are more popular in the UK and Europe then in the US.

Thanks

 

[MicroGuy]

Yes and no.
What you have laid out is the way to approach domain sales with other domainers.
To sell to end users you definitely consider the use of comps. They can help you get a better price.
That's why its best when someone gives an appraisal they should give two appraisals.
One for resale to domainers and one for the end user.
After all they are two totally different values.

If you wait on infinity, you can get any amount you desire.

 

[lennco]

If you wait on infinity, you can get any amount you desire.

And if you only rely on resellers to make a living it wont be much of a living.

 

[MicroGuy]

And if you only rely on resellers to make a living it wont be much of a living.

Sounds like domaining is a catch 22 enterprise. :hearts:

 

[.NJ]

Does the hyphen make this name worthless? No

Does the hyphen significantly hurt the value? Yes

The singular version would be better IMO.

Reseller = low to maybe mid $xx.

End-User = low $xxx+ (depending on how well you market it)

You can't really compare other sales with names like this IMO.

Every once in a while the needle in the haystack is found.

The question is, how often is that needle actually found?

Good Luck

 

[ArielT]

Your approach to domain appraisals is what's wrong. You strictly look for ways to discount an appraisal by saying its just your opinion or illogical.

Sorry, but I don't look for ways to discount, I say a price I think a domain could worth, right or wrong would be another history

What someone does with a domain after purchase shouldn't matter. What you see as just a redirect maybe a way for a company to protect one of its brands.
GE use to own NBC-Universal but they recently sold it to Comcast, maybe they forgot to include this domain Universal-Networks.com in the sale. Who knows? It doesn't matter.

Sorry, but I don't base my appraisal in cases like those, I only brought that for you see that buy seemed to be a bad choice, a mistake. Not speaking of all cases, just refering to that, and I'm guessing

I see you only hang around the appraisal forum and give you opinion on just about all domains, the problem is from what I have read here and with some of your other post is that your approach to appraising is all wrong and I think you need to re-evaluate you appraising abilities. :imho:

Well, It's in great measure common sense, seeing how good is a domain and then of course considering the extention, whether could have TM issues or not.

Look a friend of you or any other person that don't be in the domain business and ask: hey, I need an advise from you, I want to buld a site about tattoos, these are the optioms I have, which one do you think would be good?

tattoos.com
tattoosss.com
Iliketattoos.com
greentree.com
roundtable.com

And I was forgeting to say that checking similar sells helps as a guide but is not determinant

 

[lennco]

ArielT & MicroGuy you guys dont like hyphen domains just for the fact they are hyphen so you guys shouldn't be giving appraisals to hyphen domains because you cant be objective.

Now, I have two more hyphen domain only sales that just happened in the last couple of days.

Cloud-Solutions.com - $1,000

Bike-Components.com - $42,458

Now Bike-Components.com isn't a fair comp for my domain but I just cant help to wonder what kind of appraisal you guys would have given it before it sold. $19?
And also its being used as a redirect for Bike-Components.de

You see it goes back to what I tried to tell you guys, UK and Europe love and pay nicely for hyphenated domains but you refuse to see that which is ok because that just leaves more for the rest of us

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Every once in a while the needle in the haystack is found.

The question is, how often is that needle actually found?

Every domain ever sold was a needle in a haystack when you compare all sales to the millions and millions of domains that are registered.
If you roll around in the haystack long enough you will find that needle, or it will find you

 

[MicroGuy]

ArielT & MicroGuy you guys dont like hyphen domains just for the fact they are hyphen so you guys shouldn't be giving appraisals to hyphen domains because you cant be objective.

The problem with your comps is you're only using the cream of the crop.

You aren't listing the hyphenated domains that sell daily for peanuts. I think it's good to have some grounded appraisals to offset the sky-high fantastical ones. It bring some balance into the forum. There was a time when EVERY appraisal in this section has derived from fantasy. It you average all the appraisals together now, you at least have some added realism. IMHO.

Best of luck Luke and remember the FORCE is with you always! :hearts:

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Every domain ever sold was a needle in a haystack when you compare all sales to the millions and millions of domains that are registered. If you roll around in the haystack long enough you will find that needle, or it will find you

This is a poor way to base a business model. It is a lotto mentality.

 

[lennco]

The problem with your comps is you're only using the cream of the crop.

You aren't listing the hyphenated domains that sell daily for peanuts. I think it's good to have some grounded appraisals to offset the sky-high fantastical ones. It bring some balance into the forum. There was a time when EVERY appraisal in this section has derived from fantasy. It you average all the appraisals together now, you at least have some added realism. IMHO.

Best of luck Luke and remember the FORCE is with you always! :hearts:

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This is a poor way to base a business model.

Sorry but that is becoming comical.
You have disregarding hyphens and now you are disregarding actually sales because they are too high like the Cloud-Solutions.com for $1000.
Like I said you two should not be giving appraisals. You two are too negative to begin with and disregard to many factors.

 

[MicroGuy]

Like I said you two should not be giving appraisals. You two are too negative to begin with and disregard to many factors.

Oh...Okay.

 

[gilescoley]

Dont get me wrong, Im not against hyphenated names, I have owned hyphenated names over the years with really good keywords that make perfect sense and I have always struggled to sell them, most of them I have let expire in the end. I really wish more companies would adopt this strategy as it would give us domainers more options lol

There are good hyphenated sales but most of the time its when the non-hyphenated version has gone and they have to settle for next best, so they buy the hyphenated version

In Germany they sell really well but a lot of the time they will buy the .de version of the name


Im not saying you will never sell the name, but you have to be pretty lucky to have a company want the hyphenated version. Most startups would prefer to go with a different name rather than buy a hyphenated domain

If you have a look at the ratio of hyphenated names that sell at good prices compared to the non-hyphenated version, you will realise just how rare it is to sell these for decent prices, have a look at namebio.com or DNJournal and you will see the difference


Anyway, good luck with it Lennco, as you know, I love cloud names and have sold a few lately. I do like these 2 words togoether and they make perfect sense for a cloud company

 

[bmugford]

I am a fan of hyphenated keyword .COM. I own and have sold many.

The problem here is "Cloud Networks" is not a keyword. The term has 210 exact global monthly searches in Google.

It is basically an average hyphenated brandable.

You might get a good number for it, but the odds are low.

For every (1) hyphenated domain that sells another 1000 do not.

Brad

 

[ArielT]

ArielT & MicroGuy you guys dont like hyphen domains just for the fact they are hyphen so you guys shouldn't be giving appraisals to hyphen domains because you cant be objective.

Personally I don't like them when it comes to optioms for a site of mine, but if I would speculate I would make some money with some of them of course no problem . Until now I was avoiding them, but who knows, I think I'm starting to like them a bit .

But I think one can be objective aside of like them or not

Now, I have two more hyphen domain only sales that just happened in the last couple of days.

Cloud-Solutions.com - $1,000

Bike-Components.com - $42,458

Now Bike-Components.com isn't a fair comp for my domain but I just cant help to wonder what kind of appraisal you guys would have given it before it sold. $19?
And also its being used as a redirect for Bike-Components.de

Well, really surprised with the $42,458. I'll consider some speculative optioms

I don't think $19, but up to 1k to be honest

You see it goes back to what I tried to tell you guys, UK and Europe love and pay nicely for hyphenated domains but you refuse to see that which is ok because that just leaves more for the rest of us ;

Sorry, but I don't refuse to see, again is what I was thinking, some cases I have given a lower appraisals than what would have been but after aware of the error, corrected and used the corrected one in next similar cases. I don't know so far whether this is the case or not, I'll see