domain Cloud - Networks (com)

[lennco]

Appreciate an appraisal for,

.COM

One hyphenated comp I have is-
Cloud-Computing.de - $38,048 Dec 10

Please keep in mind that hyphenated names are more popular in the UK and Europe then in the US.

Thanks

 

[MicroGuy]

$19.00

The biggest problem with this domain is the hyphen. This might be good for a two-year ride in your account. If it doesn't sell during that period, let this one release back into the void.

Best of luck and remember Luke, the FORCE is with you always!

 

[lennco]

$19.00

The biggest problem with this domain is the hyphen.

Thanks for you opinion but I have to say I never understand why some people have a problem with hyphen domains when they sell all the time and are popular in the UK and in Europe.

Some recent past sales,

Animal-Charity.com $1,249 Sedo 12/11
Auto-kaufen.com $2,380 EUR Sedo 10/11
Autoteile-24.com $2,500 EUR Sedo 12/11
Baden-baden.org $1,000 EUR Sedo 10/11
Best-Deals.com $2,150 Afternic 4/11
Bingo-Online.com $4,000 Sedo 8/12
Blue-Earth.biz $2,200 Sedo 1/12
Blu-Rayler.de $26,000 EUR Sedo 1/12
Brick-Design.com $3,999 EUR Sedo 12/11
Bridal-Gallery.com $2,350 Afternic 3/11
Business-Bankruptcy.com $4,450 Afternic 11/10
Business-Intelligence.org $4,140 ? 11/11
Bwl-Studieren.com $2,000 EUR Sedo 11/11
Call-Forwarding.com $2,520 Afternic 7/11
Car-Shipping.com $3,000 Sedo 8/11
Cash-Back.com $9,555 Sedo 4/11
Casinos-On-Line.com $1,000 Sedo 10/11
Cheap-Deals.com $2,500 Sedo 7/11
Classical-Music.com $5,000 Sedo 12/10
Classic-Cars.com $8,000 Sedo 3/12
Consulting-Group.com $2,500 Sedo 11/11
Cool-Zone.com 2,000 EUR $2,000 EUR ? 5/11
Crown-Jewels.com $1,700 Afternic 5/11
Cruise-Ships.com $1,960 Sedo 1/11
Date-Me.com $10,000 Sedo 2/12
Diving-Centers.com $1,000 EUR ? 5/11
Drug-Detox.com $3,000 Afternic 11/10
e-Behavior.com $1,000 Sedo 11/11
e-Bike.com $10,000 EUR Sedo 3/11
Energy-Bank.com $1,800 Sedo 1/11
Energy-Window.com $1,800 Private 12/11
e-Square.com $1,500 EUR Sedo 9/11
Exam-EDU.com $8,055 GoDaddy 9/11
Eye-Opener.com $2,088 Afternic 11/11
e-Yoga.com $2,000 Sedo 2/12
Free-Movies-Online.com $4,875 Sedo 9/11
Game-Room.com $4,588 Afternic 1/11
Golf-Sport.com $3,102 Sedo 3/11
Good-Vibes.com $2,488 Afternic 7/11
GPS-Tracker.com $3,188 Afternic 11/11
Halloween-Candy.com $3,000 Sedo 9/11
Heart-Smart.com $2,389 Afternic 8/11
Highspeed-Internet.com $2,000 $2,000 ? 5/11
Home-Decoration.com $4,500 Sedo 2/12
Home-fashion.com $2,688 Afternic 10/11
i-Care.com $7,000 EUR Sedo 2/12
Ice-Phone.com $9,000 Sedo 11/11
i-Exceed.com $1,500 ? 5/11
i-Mall.com $6,000 Sedo 1/11
Internet-Media.com $8,200 Sedo 2/11
Jet-group.com $3,600 Sedo 11/11
Job-Future.de $1,250 EUR Sedo 8/11
Lock-Box.com $5,000 ? 10/11
Luxury-Hotels.com $17,500 Sedo 1/11
Me-Group.com $2,600 GBP Sedo 9/11
Metro-Properties.com $10,000 EUR Sedo 9/11
M-Go.com $1,000 Sedo 11/11
Mortgage-Calculator.co.uk $12,500 EUR Sedo 1/12
My-Apps.com $6,200 Sedo 1/12
MyWell-Being.com $16,500 Sedo 12/10
Net-Now.com $2,088 Afternic 9/11
Online-Lotto.com $2,000 EUR Sedo 10/11
Online-Marketing.net $2,500 EUR Sedo 5/11
Online-Nachhilfe.de $4,760 EUR Sedo 12/11
Page-One.com $2,788 Private 5/12
Play-Hard.com $1,888 Afternic 1/12
Power-Bleaching.de $8,972 EUR ? 11/11
Pro-Aqua.com $11,475 ? 11/11
Rental-Cars.com $12,550 Sedo 12/10
Role-Models.com $2,190 Afternic 1/12
School-Uniforms.com $1,750 Sedo 9/11
Security-Systems.com $9,600 EUR Sedo 11/11
Shop-List.com $10,000 Sedo 10/11
Spanish-Fly.com $2,250 EUR Sedo 1/12
Star-Games.com $6,280 ? 10/11
Teen-Chat.com $3,200 Afternic 10/11
Telephone-Rose.com $2,700 EUR Sedo 11/11
Total-E.com $1,150 EUR ? 5/11
Total-Solutions.com $3,388 Afternic 7/11
Travel-Companion.com $1,888 Afternic 5/11
Vertical-Blinds.co.uk $1,300 GBP ? 5/11
Wedding-Anniversary.com $2,000 11/10
Western-Shop.de $3,000 EUR Sedo 9/11
Window-Cleaners.com $1,800 Afternic 5/11
Wine-World.com $4,488 Afternic 4/12
World-Citizen.com $3,000 Sedo 3/11
Zero-In.com $3,102 Afternic 11/10

 

[ArielT]

Unless these sites would have included a website or a high PR, the price would be ilogic to me for most of them

 

[lennco]

Unless these sites would have included a website or a high PR, the price would be ilogic to me for most of them

I recently sold a hyphen .com for $895 with no PR or website that I hand reg'd just a few months ago.
In 2009 Hotel-Reservation.com sold for $209k no PR no site.

 

[ArielT]

I recently sold a hyphen .com for $895 with no PR or website that I hand reg'd just a few months ago.
In 2009 Hotel-Reservation.com sold for $209k no PR no site.

Yes, you are right, for that reason I said "most of them"

But you could be lucky in selling a hyphened domain for a good amount or never sell it, so to me most of them doesn't sell for decent amounts. Then one should be very speculative in choosing which hyphened domains could be sold and which would be hard to sell

 

[lennco]

But you could be lucky in selling a hyphened domain for a good amount or nerver sell it, so to me most of them doesn't sell for decent amounts. Then one should be very speculative in choosing which hyphened domains could be sold and which would be hard to sell

That reasoning can apply to all domains.
I think too many domineers on here underestimate hyphenated domains.
The UK and Germany use them all the time.

 

[ArielT]

That reasoning can apply to all domains.
I think too many domineers on here underestimate hyphenated domains.
The UK and Germany use them all the time.

Maybe, not all people think in the same way or don't have the same preferences. Personally I don't like hyphened domains, but of course I try to be objective when giving a price and letting aside the fact whether I like it or not, even then I could be right or wrong when saying a price

 

[4pm]

Unless these sites would have included a website or a high PR, the price would be ilogic to me for most of them

..time to switch to the right logic probably


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[ArielT]

..time to switch to the right logic probably

I really wouldn't have any problem in switching it, but I would wait the endusers or those resellers switch it first

 

[4pm]

I really wouldn't have any problem in switching it, but I would wait the endusers or those resellers switch it first

there are many examples given in this thread.
unfortunately they all are "illogical" to you.
i suspect any further reasoning would be considered "illogical" too..

the argument that only small percentage of sold domains are hyphenated ones is not a point at all - only small percent of sold domains have a word "business" (or any other particular word) in them, does that mean that business.com is poor name? or its sale is "illogical" based on your reasoning?

any domain can be appraised at $0 if your logic is used. think about it..


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[lennco]

Maybe, not all people think in the same way or don't have the same preferences. Personally I don't like hyphened domains, but of course I try to be objective when giving a price and letting aside the fact whether I like it or not, even then I could be right or wrong when saying a price

No offense, but I believe that anyone who is biased cannot be completely objective.

I believe that anyone who doesn't like hyphenated domains just because of the hyphen can not give a valid appraisal.
Appraisals are based on many factors like past sales, quality of keywords, subject, sector as well as its extension.
I gave several prime examples of past domain sales but they were disregarded because of the hyphen and only could have made sense if they were websites.

A proper appraisal should begin with accounting for its positives and then discounted for its negatives.

 

[ArielT]

there are many examples given in this thread.
unfortunately they all are "illogical" to you.
i suspect any further reasoning would be considered "illogical" too..

the argument that only small percentage of sold domains are hyphenated ones is not a point at all - only small percent of sold domains have a word "business" (or any other particular word) in them, does that mean that business.com is poor name? or its sale is "illogical" based on your reasoning?

any domain can be appraised at $0 if your logic is used. think about it..

Sorry, I was refering with illogical selling prices to those in the list that looks illogical unless they would add value with a website or PRs. I didn't talk about a percentage about hyphened domains compared the non hyphened domains

No offense, but I believe that anyone who is biased cannot be completely objective.

I believe that anyone who doesn't like hyphenated domains just because of the hyphen can not give a valid appraisal.
Appraisals are based on many factors like past sales, quality of keywords, subject, sector as well as its extension.
I gave several prime examples of past domain sales but they were disregarded because of the hyphen and only could have made sense if they were websites.

A proper appraisal should begin with accounting for its positives and then discounted for its negatives.

Sorry but I think the fellings not necessarily affect the objectivity, all people have feellings.

Good comments both, just think I'm not saying I have the true, just giving my point

 

[lennco]

Here is another nice comp to consider,

Universal-Networks.com - $7,950 - Oct 09

This was a domain sale not a website sale.
Ron has made it clear that all sales reported on DNJournal are Domain only sales and not website sales.

 

[ArielT]

Here is another nice comp to consider,

Universal-Networks.com - $7,950 - Oct 09

This was a domain sale not a website sale.
Ron has made it clear that all sales reported on DNJournal are Domain only sales and not website sales.

Then so good the name that are not beeing used but redirected? Was the price logic?

 

[4pm]

Then so good the name that are not beeing used but redirected? Was the price logic?

no, General Electric is absolutely insane company, you should email them on this and let them know what real domain logic is.

They just didn't know that hyphenated domains are "illogical" buys at anything over $10, now thanks to you they can save some money

If GE can't make you adjust your logic (they own Universal-Networks.com/org/info/biz) - no one can..


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[ArielT]

no, General Electric is absolutely insane company, you should email them on this and let them know what real domain logic is.

They just didn't know that hyphenated domains are "illogical" buys at anything over $10, now thanks to you they can save some money

If GE can't make you ajust your logic (they own Universal-Networks.com/org/info/biz) - no one can..

Sorry, I never said a hyphened domain worth $10, all depends of each case, what I was saying was to me most of the domains in the list of comment #3 was overvalued, but that was what I thought, my opinion, of course this point can be discussed whether right or wrong but again I didn't mean they should worth $10, just seen a higher price that I would stimate

Maybe they was ok? maybe

 

[lennco]

Then so good the name that are not beeing used but redirected? Was the price logic?

Your approach to domain appraisals is what's wrong. You strictly look for ways to discount an appraisal by saying its just your opinion or illogical.

What someone does with a domain after purchase shouldn't matter. What you see as just a redirect maybe a way for a company to protect one of its brands.
GE use to own NBC-Universal but they recently sold it to Comcast, maybe they forgot to include this domain Universal-Networks.com in the sale. Who knows? It doesn't matter.

I see you only hang around the appraisal forum and give you opinion on just about all domains, the problem is from what I have read here and with some of your other post is that your approach to appraising is all wrong and I think you need to re-evaluate you appraising abilities. :imho:

 

[MicroGuy]

Two more cents ...

Valuing domains based on what they might sell for one day if the stars move into proper alignment (8-X) is not useful. Valuing domains based on comps () is also of very little value. The best way to value domains is to do so intuitively (data from "the Field™"). This is the method that the greatest domainers in history have chosen. The true value of a domain is what you can sell it for reliably and repeatedly within a reasonable time frame. Waiting on infinity is of little help. IMHO.

Best of luck Luke and remember to use the FORCE :hearts:

 

[lennco]

Two more cents ...

Valuing domains based on what they might sell for one day if the stars move into proper alignment (8-X) is not useful. Valuing domains based on comps () is also of very little value. The best way to value domains is to do so intuitively (data from "the Field™"). This is the method that the greatest domainers in history have chosen. The true value of a domain is what you can sell it for reliably and repeatedly within a reasonable time frame. Waiting on infinity is of little help. IMHO.

Best of luck Luke and remember to use the FORCE :hearts:

Yes and no.
What you have laid out is the way to approach domain sales with other domainers.
To sell to end users you definitely consider the use of comps. They can help you get a better price.
That's why its best when someone gives an appraisal they should give two appraisals.
One for resale to domainers and one for the end user.
After all they are two totally different values.