discuss Can .VIP Gain Brand Traction in 2017

[botlawyer]

In my opinion, there are thousands of business, in hundreds of spaces, that would hugely benefit from brands built on a dot-VIP domain name.

- There are 1.2 billion indexed items on Google with "VIP"
- Areas such as travel, events, music, fashion, and personal care are ripe for using a dot-VIP domain name
- China is going to massively embrace quality dot-VIP domain names (see the great presentation by Simon Cousins posted on the Allegravita site)

Thoughts?

 

[botlawyer]

I agree with what is stated in previous post about China. But when thinking about future and value of .VIP, I honestly do not care about China and Chinese market at all (it is not important for me, because I do not invest in pinyin keywords/short domains). I care about semantic relevance of acronym VIP in western culture, and firmly believe it will make great sense for many businesses out there (once they will learn that something like .VIP exists, which is not the case at the present time).

There are not plenty of gTLDs with universal meaning, not at all : basically there are only 2 now : .ONLINE and .VIP. This is when we define universal meaning as following: that English speaking end user, German speaking end user, Spain, French , Portuguese, etc can instantly recognize what this new gTLD means. This is case both for .VIP and .ONLINE. It is not the case for the rest of new gTLDs, like .HORSE, .BEST, .REN, .WANG, .TOP, .SPACE, etc...as end users who does not speak English will not recognize those. So when considering around 1000 new gTLDs at the moment, only 2 of them has "universal meaning" if we define it as above.

I could not have said this better. Right on the money!

 

[ZapNano]

 

[dordomai]

I assume because of semantic meaning for non English speakers, .ONLINE, .VIP, .WEB and .BLOG can and will directly compete with ccTLDs in upcoming years, while the rest of new gTLDs can compete only with .COM and .NET (and will have almost no impact whatsoever at ccTLDs)

VIP is niche and limited and will never be able to do what .Online, .web or .blog can do. I don't think it can compete in any way with ccTLDs or .Com, .Net.

Namebio shows 255 sales with vip, 2500+ containing online for example, 2000 for web and 1700 sales with shop, 1200 for news, 469 for space and 110 for dollar. It's somewhere between space and dollar.

There are much stronger TLDs than this one.

.info is probably understood by most people outside the US. Like is .website.

A niche within a local market means low demand and low demand means low sales prices.

 

[dordomai]

I assume because of semantic meaning for non English speakers, .ONLINE, .VIP, .WEB and .BLOG can and will directly compete with ccTLDs in upcoming years, while the rest of new gTLDs can compete only with .COM and .NET (and will have almost no impact whatsoever at ccTLDs)

.tv is a good example of a TLD that is global in the sense that everyone understands it. Despite that it is very hard to sell from what you can hear. It would say .tv is many times better than .vip 1300 sales vs. 250 sales.

Will we see tons of .tv sales in the coming year? Probably not.

A few other TLDs that could be understood by a large number of foreign language speakers:

.link
.wiki
.video
.email
.sex

 

[Bullock]

Demystifying the Value of .VIP in China

"In response to inquiries from many channels since then, the registrar 101domain invited Allegravita’s CEO Simon Cousins to lead a discussion last week on the value of the term VIP in China, where a majority of registrations are coming from."

http://allegravita.com/2016/09/16/demystifying-vip-china/

 

[ZapNano]

In my opinion, there are thousands of business, in hundreds of spaces, that would hugely benefit from brands built on a dot-VIP domain name.

- There are 1.2 billion indexed items on Google with "VIP"
- Areas such as travel, events, music, fashion, and personal care are ripe for using a dot-VIP domain name
- China is going to massively embrace quality dot-VIP domain names (see the great presentation by Simon Cousins posted on the Allegravita site)

Thoughts?

Absolutely! Love em. You see "VIP" acronym around people's neck, badges and IDs. And it's been used before .com, net and org.

 

[dordomai]

@dordomai, my gosh do you live in a farm. I see you love animals, that's great. But for God sake, .VIP and .horse has zero near comparison.
How old are you?

of course it can not be compared. What I wanted to say is that the fact that a word has been used long before .com doesn't mean anything and does not make it a better investment, Almost all words are older than .com

 

[disaac81]

Yes they all carry different meanings.which is why you should use a .com. Restricting your brand image to a narrow meaning only damages your business. It's all about the subconscious, triggering actions in consumers without them even knowing you did it.

 

[Bullock]

These TLDs have universal meaning too: .info .pro .travel .jobs .museum .photo .online .club etc
Is it a good idea to invest in them then ?

I agree on universal meaning, but each of them refers to specific sector/niche, .VIP too. Therefore there is an intrinsic boundary for these extensions. So market could appreciate them or... maybe not!!

Anybody invests in nTLD must be aware of the volatility inherent in these extensions.

 

[Brands.International]

I don't think it is universal at all. The VIP niche is broad in the sense that it covers many industries but it is still rather limited in it's usage. It doesn't make sense with most keywords or even most products..

@dordomai I can not agree with here. .VIP niche is really broad, and it is not really limited in it's usage. You can provide VIP services in basically any business area. It only does not make sense in connection with keywords which indicates something cheap. For example cheaptickets.com is killer in .com category, but cheaptickets.vip does not really makes sense, because you somehow can not sell cheap tickets, but also provide VIP services to your clients in parallel. But I disagree that it does not make sense with most keywords/product, direct opposite of this statement is true imo.

[QUOTE="This is a much a generic extension as .best is one. :Best is actually more generic I would say. .online or .site is generic./QUOTE]

Best is not more generic at all, word "best" is known only to English speakers. People which speaks different languages does not know what "best" is. VIP is internationally recognized, and people who speak different languages will recognize it instantly. Only .ONLINE can compete with .VIP in this sense. .BEST and .SITE can not compete when other languages then English are considered.

[QUOTE="The fact that China has more regs has nothing to do with being ahead IMO. It's being bought in China for reasons that don't apply to the west. It's not that they are buying it for the same reasons the West does just earlier.[/QUOTE] I agree. Chinese buy it for different reason then west users will do. It is massively promoted in China now, as it means "welcomed guess" there ..Chinese already this VIP meaning for tens of thousands of their businesses, so they like it and just buy it massively. They are not going to burn any money on this TLD, for their businesses it makes perfect sense. In west countries promotion is almost zero at the moment, therefore less regs as for today, but it is only 4 month old, so it will catch up.

[QUOTE="These TLDs have universal meaning too: .info .pro .travel .jobs .museum .photo .online .club etc
Is it a good idea to invest in them then ?[/QUOTE]
Sure, it is. But .photo for example is far less universal then .VIP. .PHOTO is about photos, .VIP is about ANY business where you can provide VIP services to your clients.

 

[disaac81]

It's exactly that you have to describe all these meanings etc that determine the extension is not suitable for a global business as it's main \ only domain.

With a dot com it speaks a thousand words to the audience without you even having to say, "we do this but we don't do that"...

Brands have to appeal by telling a story, offering a journey and presenting an unlimited experience. On a global scale you cannot beat a dot com.

 

[ksusha64]

Whole VIP extension comes out as mispell of course. Its very cool word,but Vip at the right side does not work..
Cars.VIP makes no sense VIPCars makes it right spelling. This is one of big issues with new gtld. They usually come out as mispells and incorrect forms of english. Homes.VIP makes no sense. VIPHomes is 100 times better. extension like WEB works much better. Car.Web, Home.Web makes sense. This is why I think even if new gtld have a chance, vip extension is drawing completely dead.

 

[Brands.International]

@disaac81 No one is contradicting dot-com's dominance.

@Bullock There is no "volatility" in buying some quality dot-VIP names, and holding them for either the right partnership opportunity, building-out a destination site for this target market, or selling it/them when the right buyer comes along.

I've been involved in the financial markets my entire life, and everything about dot-VIP tells me that buying quality names at this point in time is analogous to buying Google's stock a decade or so ago. The only difference is that the percentage gains you'll experience from a 'great' dot-VIP investment will be much higher than GOOG.

The two factors that make me convinced of that are (i) the UNIVERSAL appeal and comprehension of "VIP", and (ii) the fact that there are only a few hundred thousand names that would work well using this extension.

I absolutely agree with this.

 

[Brands.International]

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Big, small, medium etc organization; gov, inc and corporate; they already have used .VIP. However, they don't registered the name. Once they start falling behind, then they will start searching for the one...

Exactly

 

[Bullock]

Whole VIP extension comes out as mispell of course. Its very cool word,but Vip at the right side does not work..
Cars.VIP makes no sense VIPCars makes it right spelling. This is one of big issues with new gtld. They usually come out as mispells and incorrect forms of english. Homes.VIP makes no sense. VIPHomes is 100 times better. extension like WEB works much better. Car.Web, Home.Web makes sense. This is why I think even if new gtld have a chance, vip extension is drawing completely dead.

Instead these examples can make sense in an other way:

Literally: CARS dot VIP

Figuratively: CARS for VIP



Ditto

HOMES dot VIP

HOMES for VIP

 

[eurorealtor]

In my opinion, there are thousands of business, in hundreds of spaces, that would hugely benefit from brands built on a dot-VIP domain name.

- There are 1.2 billion indexed items on Google with "VIP"
- Areas such as travel, events, music, fashion, and personal care are ripe for using a dot-VIP domain name
- China is going to massively embrace quality dot-VIP domain names (see the great presentation by Simon Cousins posted on the Allegravita site)

Thoughts?

Perhaps, but most will be looking to get one for a reg fee. Otherwise most of business will hunt for .com or ccTLD speaking worldwide if they shall spend bigger bucks for a primary business domain IMO.

 

[Kate]

Better TLDs are still struggling. The problem is not whether there are developed sites, the problem is critical mass. This TLD, like .top, is heavily Chinese. So I wouldn't use it unless I am Chinese or trying to reach a Chinese audience. Still, I wouldn't treat it as an investment.

 

[Brands.International]

@dordomai Whether .VIP will be popular within a year (or so) will entirely depend on whether or not (quality) sites are launched, which leverage the extension. I plan to launch at least one in 2017, and would be pretty surprised if there aren't hundreds of other entrepreneurs who already have similar plans in the works.

Dot-VIP's success will have nothing to do with whether or not companies '...offer VIP versions of their product...." There are hundreds of spaces that are intrinsically conducive to "VIP" branding/association - and there's no need to put together a list because we all already know what those spaces are.

But, in addition, there are generic categories that will also work very well with a dot-VIP extension. One example would be SHAVING.VIP (and SHAVE.VIP). I own both of those, and in light of the recent explosion of interest in that vertical it's not a stretch to imagine success for a business to differentiate itself in the shaving space by offering high(er) end products - versus much of the rest of the players who are trying to outdo each other with cheaper alternatives to the big brands, like Gillette and Schick.

So my point is that you don't have to be limited to selling luxury products in conjunction with a brand built atop a dot-VIP extension.

I agree 100% with this

 

[dordomai]

Unless there is a reason why .vip is more special than .online for example (which does not produce stellar sales so far it seems, at least for domainers) I don't see why this should be too successful.

I think people have been brainwashed by MMX hype and Chinese buyouts(which always fail see: .in, .pw, 6N, Chips, NNLL, 5L, .ws ect.)

 

[Brands.International]

I agree with what is stated in previous post about China. But when thinking about future and value of .VIP, I honestly do not care about China and Chinese market at all (it is not important for me, because I do not invest in pinyin keywords/short domains). I care about semantic relevance of acronym VIP in western culture, and firmly believe it will make great sense for many businesses out there (once they will learn that something like .VIP exists, which is not the case at the present time).

There are not plenty of gTLDs with universal meaning, not at all : basically there are only 2 now : .ONLINE and .VIP. This is when we define universal meaning as following: that English speaking end user, German speaking end user, Spain, French , Portuguese, etc can instantly recognize what this new gTLD means. This is case both for .VIP and .ONLINE. It is not the case for the rest of new gTLDs, like .HORSE, .BEST, .REN, .WANG, .TOP, .SPACE, etc...as end users who does not speak English will not recognize those. So when considering around 1000 new gTLDs at the moment, only 2 of them has "universal meaning" if we define it as above.

When .WEB and .BLOG will enter the new gTLDs space, they also can be considered to have universal meaning, as many non English speaking end users know what is WEB and BLOG. So there will be then 4 universal meaning extensions, but not "plenty".

I assume because of semantic meaning for non English speakers, .ONLINE, .VIP, .WEB and .BLOG can and will directly compete with ccTLDs in upcoming years, while the rest of new gTLDs can compete only with .COM and .NET (and will have almost no impact whatsoever at ccTLDs).

 

[mad409]

As Warren Buffet, the world's greatest investor said, you need to stay within your circle of competence.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...1-4-billion-as-wells-fargo-tumbles-on-scandal

1.4 billion loss within his circle of competence!

 

[mad409]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...1-4-billion-as-wells-fargo-tumbles-on-scandal

1.4 billion loss within his circle of competence!

That's all ya got?

 

[dordomai]

That's all ya got?

At least he is making money instead of losing it.

P/E Ratio (ttm) -1,052.08

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/mmx.L?ltr=1

P/E Ratio (ttm) -5,375.00

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/cnic.L?ltr=1

P/E Ratio (ttm) 13.94

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/BRK-A/?p=BRK-A

 

[mad409]

At least he is making money instead of losing it.

P/E Ratio (ttm) -1,052.08

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/mmx.L?ltr=1

P/E Ratio (ttm) -5,375.00

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/cnic.L?ltr=1

P/E Ratio (ttm) 13.94

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/BRK-A/?p=BRK-A

Really I don't care, just showing you he's not always right like you..

 

[mad409]

LOL