advice Buyer does not wish to pay through PayPal

[tomzilla]

I sold a domain for about $400 through outbound and I've already transferred the domain to their account. I sent a PayPal invoice but he said " I am having an issue with making a credit card payment through PayPal. It is requiring me to setup and account and that isn’t something we wish to do nor am I authorized to do so. Please provide me with a different PayPal link that doesn’t require me to create an account.".

So what other payment options do I have?

 

[OmarVG]

So what other payment options do I have?

Pick any domain marketplace with escrow service (Afternic, Sedo, Flippa etc).
Wish you luck!
For the next time, I recommend you to NOT transfer the domain until you got the payment from buyer...

 

[tomzilla]

Just an update guys.

They paid today via payment request.

IMO I never really thought that I will get scammed because I always first send the domain and so far nobody scammed me. These people own businesses and have a reputation to keep clean. They have way more to lose then I have. All I would lose is that $9 reg fee investment, whereas they could potentially lose $400 if I don't send the domain. In order to gain their trust I send the domain first and it works fine. There was a time when I waited almost 2 weeks to receive the payment from the end-user who already had received the domain from me. Apparently, he was out of office and sick but he paid as soon as he got back in. One day I guess I can get screwed over, but I'm just speaking from experience.

Anyways, thank you everyone for your help It's good to know I have a community that I learn from everyday and can turn to in times like these.

 

[maxtra]

Should have waited until you received payment my friend. But if you sent them an invoice, they should be able to pay without creating an account.

"To pay without creating a PayPal account, click debit or credit card." - https://www.paypal.com/us/selfhelp/article/how-do-i-pay-for-a-payment-request-or-invoice-faq2206

Otherwise, just use Escrow, like others have stated.

 

[Rothex]

What about a direct wire transfer from their bank account to yours. This can be done in just a few minutes from most online banking platforms. You could even have them mail you a certified check from their bank as well. If they only want pay using a credit/debit card than PayPal is probably the best option in this scenario, especially since you already transferred the domain. And you're right, I'm not sure you'll be able to use a marketplace escrow service or Payoneer and Escrow.com at this point since the domain is no longer in your possession.

I'm curious though how they have the authority to represent the company and make a $400 purchase for a domain, but can't simply create a login to complete a PayPal transaction. I would be a little skeptical at this point in the transaction. Good luck, hope it all works out for you. If anything else chalk it up as a lesson learned.

 

[Nametree]

Undeveloped is pretty quick to set up, only takes a 9% fee and they act as an Escrow service. Alternatively, you can ask them to pay you through Payoneer or Escrow.com and just use the emails you got from the registrar as proof of transfer I guess.

 

[tomzilla]

I've found the way via PayPal payment request instead of the invoice.

PayPal payment request allows you to pay as a guest with credit card, just figured that out lol, no need for an account.

Thanks guys!

 

[mpls]

If you have a payoneer account (NOT payoneer escrow), you can create a payment request.
Payoneer will generate a link, it will be send to buyer email and finally buyer can use credit card to pay you.
https://blog.payoneer.com/how-to/get-paid/how-to-request-a-payment-with-payoneer/

 

[Nem0]

Do you know them? If not, then you should be afraid of being scammed.

Try Payoneer escrow, really cheap fees there.

 

[axus_auto]

Please provide me with a different PayPal link that doesn’t require me to create an account.".

Paypal doesn't require an account for the buyer to make payment. Check the link for more information.
https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/account-optional

 

[xeroox]

It always depends on the country. Some country it won't let you pay with credit card with paypal ( seen multiple times), the option disappear from the form

 

[frank-germany]

WTF..... everyone knows .

most of the time this sentence is just
WRONG

 

[alcy]

It always depends on the country. Some country it won't let you pay with credit card with paypal ( seen multiple times), the option disappear from the form

thats also true

a lot of things on paypal depend on receiver vs sender countries.

whether its sending money as gift .. service.. etc... so paying without account could depend too!

 

[Joe N]

Have to say I fully disagree with the people on here who are insisting that you must always get payment first.

For inbound enquiries: yes, always insist on payment first, or on using an escrow service. Absolutely agree here.

For outbound sales: You are the one sending unsolicited emails to legitimate companies. In this situation, they are in a much more vulnerable position. The onus is on you, as the initiator, to prove good faith.

 

[Joe N]

I mostly agree with you, but there is no automatic onus on us as initiators as we know we will transfer the domain. I agree that the company has to trust us otherwise they wouldn't engage, but that's where Escrow comes in and the problem completely solved.

That's true, but asking a buyer to go through the process of doing an Escrow transaction for a sale of a few hundred bucks seems like overkill to me. And honestly, if I'm the buyer then it feels a bit insulting. "What, so you reached out to sell me something and now you're saying you don't trust me to make payment?"

I'm the one sending you unsolicited emails.
I'm the one trying to sell you something.
I'm the unknown; the person/business you've never dealt with and know nothing about.
So, I will take a small risk to show good faith and get the deal done.

It's a give and take. I always start under the assumption that they will send payment first, but there have been a few times that the buyer has asked me to send the domain first, and I've done so without hesitation. I have yet to regret it.

 

[james haw]

That's true, but asking a buyer to go through the process of doing an Escrow transaction for a sale of a few hundred bucks seems like overkill to me.

Yeah it is arguably not necessary, and payment depends on the company, how well they're established, how big, etc.

But, we were talking about initiator has to earn trust, so I don't think in the context of discussion it's "overkill" - it's a perfect solution for both parties.

And honestly, if I'm the buyer then it feels a bit insulting. "What, so you reached out to sell me something and now you're saying you don't trust me to make payment?"

We already established this is for the buyers sake, you are the one who said you didn't trust me, I have to show you I am trustable, Escrow solves that instantly. Which was my point within that context

Also, if they don't want to make the deal straight forward and use some Escrow I'm not sure about trusting them. Of course it could just simply be they can't be fussed with Escrow, but they could also be swaying me away from a safety net that protects us both so they can get the domain name and disappear.
Again, depends on the business, who they are etc, but trust requirements is both ways.

I'm the one sending you unsolicited emails.
I'm the one trying to sell you something.
I'm the unknown; the person/business you've never dealt with and know nothing about.

But they replied, they're the one wanting the great domain name that is good for their business.
They're also unknown as just because you know a business you reached out to does in no way at all mean they'll pay up when the time comes. Just as they don't know you wont transfer.

Both parties are running a business and have only just met with no trust either way. You say "I know them because I emailed them" but doesn't that work both ways? You have emailed each other now, both businesses know each other. Unless you operate only from emails, which even a basic website can help with.

 

[PreciousNickia]

In cases of outbound marketing, most buyers will want the domain first before submitting payment. The internet is a wonderful invention yet a perfect place for scammers to swindle innocent people out of their money. For that reason, I can understand their apprehension. Why should they trust me? Anyone can purchase a domain, throw up a website and create a professional email. For some end users, having a reputable online track record is important --- meaning that when they search my site's name, they should be able to automatically see some form of legitimacy behind my business IMO. The same way that I can search their company's name and see Yelp reviews, Facebook pages and linkedins, they would like to see the same for me if I'm going to be calling myself a business and I think most people who send outbound emails don't have that. I could be wrong, but anywho. This is why sometimes I ask my buyers for character references (at least the ones who I got friendly with). Luckily, most end users don't think that deep but I have had one or two cases like that. Anyways, I don't want to trail on but my point is that their unwillingness to pay first is understandable and if sending them the domain first will ease their fears, then so be it. That's okay with me if it's a small sale. I'll take the L if they don't follow through but that's never happened before so... I'll just be grateful that I've only dealt with honest people so far.

Your invoice was $400, not $9, so $400 is your loss if not paid.

He loses a potential $400 sale. IMO The only thing he loses is time which could've been used to contact another prospect.

 

[alcy]

pretty sure there are ways to pay with paypal without creating accoutn.. so if that's his issue.. maybe try this to get aruond it:

www.paypal.me

if not, call paypal and ask how to do it witout account.

in future, make sure you never ever transdfer domains without payment first. gl.

 

[frank-germany]

use skrill

https://www.skrill.com

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

Wire transfer (SWIFT) to your Serbian bank account and that's all.

 

[alcy]

Representative who I am dealing with said that they only can pay via credit card without making additional accounts. This deal had to go through bunch of formalities and authorizations on their side.

Thanks!

well assuming theyu're telling u truth
and this is not a way for them to get out of it altogether
then I'm 99% sure yu can pay with CC without making pp account

try the link I gave you.. else call pp to ask how exactly

gl

 

[wwwweb]

you mean like escrow services with cryptos?

cause otherwise it will be hard for buyrs to trust strangers and send them crypto first..

your talking zero protection in those cases.. without escrow.

now with paypal, and doman not delivered, buyer gets his money back easy. proof is on seller he delivered.

This seems to be a payment option issue, more options on the table

Blockchain integration will take time, but better methods will arise.

 

[Nem0]

because I always first send the domain

Congrats. But sorry, I still gotta headpalm ya

 

[james haw]

For outbound sales: You are the one sending unsolicited emails to legitimate companies. In this situation, they are in a much more vulnerable position. The onus is on you, as the initiator, to prove good faith.

I mostly agree with you, but there is no automatic onus on us as initiators as we know we will transfer the domain. I agree that the company has to trust us otherwise they wouldn't engage, but that's where Escrow comes in and the problem completely solved.

 

[tomzilla]

Can I put a domain on Undeveloped, Uniregistry or any other marketplace without being in possession of the name?

I know they will pay, I'm not afraid of being scammed. I just want to give them another option to pay other than PayPal because at the end of PayPal invoices, they are asked to create a PayPal account after entering in their card information.