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Would you guys want to have a BrightCove Rep here to say Hi and chat with us?
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They have already been contacted and also contacted about advertising and sponsorship in the forum
A lot of others being invited and offered forum sponsorships
A lot of others being invited and offered forum sponsorships
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dottvfan said:
Hey dottvfan,
I am hesitant to endorse any iptv/video/broadband delivery company at this time so I won't. But here is my experience so far.
I have had good support and regular calls from BrightCove. Every two weeks, today as an example.
What they don't get, actually they acknowledge it but still don't get it, and they then refer me to my original contract is:
How do you manage IP law? Help me! I don't want to get sued like YouTube.com , I am a small development company!
What I mean by that is they are, just like any/service providers, are putting the onus on us as content providers to make sure we have full unadulterated rights to any content we show/collect/aggregate.Me, I am very prepared but doubt most of the people doing development are!
" Can you believe I have had three beers and still wrote that?"
As for content, that is up to us as content producers/providers.
Cost will be monthly/subscription, based on a base price and monthly bandwidth, I am not overly afraid of this model compared to other companies that are looking for long term lease agreements for software that will be outmoded in six months.
In six months this industry will be totally changed but the upside, based on a BrightCove or a similar model is that they are continuing to improve their platform/software at no cost to the content producer.
Improved software/platform costs are not passed on to you as you as a client, your monthly cost will be locked into a static payment plus bandwidth. If your bandwidth is soaring and you are monetizing it you are safe, if this is a hobby, your monthly payment is probably coming out of your pocket. Bottom line is that they are projecting their monthly payment model to be in place the first of next year, ....in the meantime... it's free!
Traffic stats are impressive and improving. You really need to see it yourself.
But you really have to see it yourself, there is no obligation. Me , I like FREE!
Cheers!
WineGuy
what's the deal re pulling the plug (i.e if you want to develop to attract advertiser interest) before you put your hand in your pocket?
What will it cost you (in terms of payments to Brightcove) prior to Jan 1. i.e Does free acyually mean free or are you paying for hits/bandwidth?
What will it cost you (in terms of payments to Brightcove) prior to Jan 1. i.e Does free acyually mean free or are you paying for hits/bandwidth?
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dottvfan said:
Looks like a big $$$ZERO before January, after it will be like an ISP type monthly , they aren't going to come out with a $200 plus payment a month otherwise we are gonna be gone and we told them that. If you question those figures open a free commercial account so a rep will be assigned to you, talk to you and in turn you can ask them not me.
Great questions to ask if they are invited here though.
Me , I have another strategy already planned that can be turnkey in 8-36 hours if they aren't the real deal. My advertisers won't know the difference except that there will be a 24 - 48 hour maintainace period that they will be doubly credited for.
Hope that answers your question.
WG
P.S. You know, as an aside, folks who question figures that I put out there as a "maybe" and aren't willing to research the material themselves, well, enough said!
I am not here to do anyones homework, I am here to share my homework with those willing to do their own homework. Most here are welcome to what I have learned, others should be aware of their tone.
WG
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lol -
sorry to upset you wineguy, although I am just being inquisitive - not critical. In fact, I admire your iniative (as you know).
I actually almost signed up Brightcove last night for their free trial, then I printed off the sign up contract to read (which I tend to do) and well, to be honest, it was 10pm at night and I just pulled the plug on it for the night.
I'm going home a bit earlier tonight because an 8 page (free trial) contract tends to take me about an hour to digest and consider. What can I say I'm a slow reader!
That's the real driver behind my questions. A little bit of background goes a long way when doing our homework. Particularly when the contract is "signed" prior to the consulatant being assigned.
Cheers DTF
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More than happy to help if you want to discuss your current arrangements (further).
sorry to upset you wineguy, although I am just being inquisitive - not critical. In fact, I admire your iniative (as you know).
I actually almost signed up Brightcove last night for their free trial, then I printed off the sign up contract to read (which I tend to do) and well, to be honest, it was 10pm at night and I just pulled the plug on it for the night.
I'm going home a bit earlier tonight because an 8 page (free trial) contract tends to take me about an hour to digest and consider. What can I say I'm a slow reader!
That's the real driver behind my questions. A little bit of background goes a long way when doing our homework. Particularly when the contract is "signed" prior to the consulatant being assigned.
Cheers DTF
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More than happy to help if you want to discuss your current arrangements (further).
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NOT REALLY sure where that came from WOW I think I have always expressed gratitude for you're work and a lot of homework has been contributed by others long before you came to this board Chris
Secondly I am not surprised BrightCOVE does not help with IP law why would they? All they are is a platform it s the site owners job to use the proper content and have all rights.
It does seem like BrightCove is the logical first choice, although I do like DATmedia's Drag and drop but it may be too expensive unless you have financing. It will be interesting to see who else comes into this playing field
Ok, so I have just signed up with Brightcove to commercialise www.technologychannel.tv (which I perceive will be a little easier than www.financechannel.tv for the time being) so a good learning project.
Chris, you'll be pleased to know that I read the clickwrap agreement and it wasn't the scariest thing I have ever seen! In fact it was surprisingly user-friendly.
So I guess that I will aim for lauch on 1 October all going well to give me a quarter to test. If anyone has any contacts that are launching some great new gadgets please let me know by PM and I will contact them with a view to hosting there video content on the site (for free of course). Even if it Nokia or Apple! In fact, especially if it is Nokia or Apple.
I looove gadgets.
I don't see the content licensing side as a biggie. This is the main section of the Brightcove contract regarding this issue:
Representations About the Content
To the extent You are using the Brightcove Service to publish and/or distribute any content, including, without limitation, video, music, photograph, text, any digital file, any live event, advertising creative or other advertising material, or metadata (the “ Content”), You specifically represent and warrant that You either own fully and outright or otherwise possess and have obtained all rights, approvals, licenses, consents and permissions with respect to the Content as are necessary to perform Your obligations hereunder and to grant the licenses granted under this Agreement for the duration of the Term. You specifically represent and warrant that the Content and the distribution and/or publication of the Content through the Brightcove Service, or through and/or by any Brightcove Affiliate, Unregistered Affiliate, and/or Syndication Partner does not, and shall not, infringe or misappropriate any third party’s copyright, trademark, literary, publicity, music, performance, synch, guild, association, union, or other intellectual, personal, or privacy right of any person, nor shall doing so defame, libel, slander, or violate any other right of any person, nor do You have any contrary notice, claim, information or demand regarding the Content and You are not aware of any such notice, claim, information or demand.
In short if you are publishing stacks of content get a suitably qualified lawyer to draft a pro-forma license agreement and make sure that you:
Chris has been very careful not to make any representations about Brightcove's services. I suspect like me that a lot of you are interested but would rather someone else was the "guinea pig". Fair enough!
So, for the record, Chris and I are trying (or about to try in one case), Brightcove out, and if Brightcove agree (which I am sure they will), we will report back to you from time to time as to how it is all going.
You must rembember that it is always your responsibility to read any contracts that you are about to commit to and to understand them (not our responsibility) and that notwithstanding how we go "individual results may vary".
Thus as Chris said we won't be holding Brightcove out to be perfect for you having regard to your personal circumstances, and it is your job to do your homework!
Chris, you'll be pleased to know that I read the clickwrap agreement and it wasn't the scariest thing I have ever seen! In fact it was surprisingly user-friendly.
So I guess that I will aim for lauch on 1 October all going well to give me a quarter to test. If anyone has any contacts that are launching some great new gadgets please let me know by PM and I will contact them with a view to hosting there video content on the site (for free of course). Even if it Nokia or Apple! In fact, especially if it is Nokia or Apple.
I looove gadgets.
I don't see the content licensing side as a biggie. This is the main section of the Brightcove contract regarding this issue:
Representations About the Content
To the extent You are using the Brightcove Service to publish and/or distribute any content, including, without limitation, video, music, photograph, text, any digital file, any live event, advertising creative or other advertising material, or metadata (the “ Content”), You specifically represent and warrant that You either own fully and outright or otherwise possess and have obtained all rights, approvals, licenses, consents and permissions with respect to the Content as are necessary to perform Your obligations hereunder and to grant the licenses granted under this Agreement for the duration of the Term. You specifically represent and warrant that the Content and the distribution and/or publication of the Content through the Brightcove Service, or through and/or by any Brightcove Affiliate, Unregistered Affiliate, and/or Syndication Partner does not, and shall not, infringe or misappropriate any third party’s copyright, trademark, literary, publicity, music, performance, synch, guild, association, union, or other intellectual, personal, or privacy right of any person, nor shall doing so defame, libel, slander, or violate any other right of any person, nor do You have any contrary notice, claim, information or demand regarding the Content and You are not aware of any such notice, claim, information or demand.
In short if you are publishing stacks of content get a suitably qualified lawyer to draft a pro-forma license agreement and make sure that you:
- stick to first-party licensing (i.e don't license from anyone other than the owner
- get the owner's written consent to publishing (i.e putting their content on the web) and get the owner to warrant that they are the owner
- get an appropriate indemnity regarding the fact that you don't guarantee that their content will not end up somewhere else.
Chris has been very careful not to make any representations about Brightcove's services. I suspect like me that a lot of you are interested but would rather someone else was the "guinea pig". Fair enough!
So, for the record, Chris and I are trying (or about to try in one case), Brightcove out, and if Brightcove agree (which I am sure they will), we will report back to you from time to time as to how it is all going.
You must rembember that it is always your responsibility to read any contracts that you are about to commit to and to understand them (not our responsibility) and that notwithstanding how we go "individual results may vary".
Thus as Chris said we won't be holding Brightcove out to be perfect for you having regard to your personal circumstances, and it is your job to do your homework!
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equity. dottv and all,
Didn't mean to come off as a pr**k even though I did and wasn't even really directing my rant towards anyone in particular. I guess my reaction was because every time I turn around in this industry (iptv/broadband channels) there is some new company or software or technology, hard to keep up with and no real industry standard, but my suspicion is that in 6 months some will say wow, "I should have jumped on that market even though I wasn't ready, seems too late now." I have decided as I said before that I am jumping in with both feet even though I am not ready and on a steep learning curve. At 45 YO and with all I have learned along the way this is my time. This isn't everyone's time but I know it is mine. So I am a little impatient.
You guys have offered up a lot of info when I first got here that has allowed me to hit the ground running and I have tried to reciprocate in order that the members here or even the new guy that stumbles in has the same opportunities as I did cause this is such a huge market and we all can carve out a corner. Here is what I have discovered about this industry, there are several camps that this industry is made up of and we all need to decide which camp or camps we are in:
1. In our corner you have domainers of dot TV and other TLDs which really makes up a small part of this industry and our part is really probably even smaller than we think, however any sales we make as individuals are due to our foresite and we should be rewarded. Problem is we only get paid once on that great dot TV.
2.Content owners, tv, cable all media channels that have archives and archives of material that they could put online at anytime and monetize forever plus all their new productions. However, a lot of unique content owners aren't even on the radar or known as media companies and that is where......
3.Aggregators come in. Those people willing to dig for content and license it for reuse/redistribution online or through IPTV and cable heads. My feeling is that this group will be the most rewarded for their efforts and will be able cash out in a few years to the islands if they desire. Aggregating a catalog of content that can be monetized over and over will make a lot of people multi millionaires.
4. Content producers are also going to do well but they will need a little up front capital to start generating quality original content. They will have a longer ramp up time to build their catalog but one production could potentially be a home run and they could also decide to move in next door to the aggregator who moved down to the islands. Current small videographers and small production companies with available equipment, studios and expertise will be in high demand even though one guy and a $1200 camera will make up the bulk of this group. I am taking the route of both the aggregator and the producer.
5. Software/platform developers has been the center of a lot of conversations here. I think we are going to see another 20-25 companies pop up in the next 6-12 months offering the next biggest and best video solution/platform. The waters here are going to get even muddier so have a back up plan to enable you to jump to another platform if it delivers a better user experience or can help monetize your content better. Many of these solutions will be free/brandable and supported by either monthly subscriptions or solely through revenue sharing on an ad model.
6. Portal developers is the group some of us also include ourselves in. These are the folks with an idea for persuasive video/community content that they are putting out there for the world to see. They develop their "channel" usually in a very narrow niche to attract a demographic that they then will try to monetize. You will see some of these smaller complimentary niche channels merge together and finally many key portals will probably at some time be bought by big media. Another model that will probably happen very soon is similar to what Gawker and Weblogs have done in the blog arena, gathering together a whole stable of blogs on different subject and turning them into a money making network in this case someone will collect a stable of broadband channels/portals. These are the ways portal developers will cash out.
7. Ad firms are a big part of the success of this industry and new and different ways to monetize our portals will be invented along with good ole banner and text links. I am not going to talk about this area as we know someone out there in "ad world" is already actively trying to figure out how to make money on our portals.
8. The consumer, our customer who visits our portals and keeps coming back is obviously the most important component in this whole chain. People are hungry and demanding new tv and internet experiences. Keep em happpy and keep em coming back and your success is "almost guaranteed."
I offer these ideas up as I want everyone here in any camp to be able to profit from this huge paradigm shift. It may be hard to take a step outside of the domainer's box. Up until four months ago I would not have thought about developing anything of this size as my portfolio supports me nicely.Now, I am ready to sell all of them to finance my portal and take the management of those domains off my shoulders and outta my head.
So I am sorry if I got a little pissy there for a moment, just want everyone to see what I see. Blue pill, Red pill! :imho:
Cheers!
And thank you to all for being on this forum!
WineGuy
Didn't mean to come off as a pr**k even though I did and wasn't even really directing my rant towards anyone in particular. I guess my reaction was because every time I turn around in this industry (iptv/broadband channels) there is some new company or software or technology, hard to keep up with and no real industry standard, but my suspicion is that in 6 months some will say wow, "I should have jumped on that market even though I wasn't ready, seems too late now." I have decided as I said before that I am jumping in with both feet even though I am not ready and on a steep learning curve. At 45 YO and with all I have learned along the way this is my time. This isn't everyone's time but I know it is mine. So I am a little impatient.
You guys have offered up a lot of info when I first got here that has allowed me to hit the ground running and I have tried to reciprocate in order that the members here or even the new guy that stumbles in has the same opportunities as I did cause this is such a huge market and we all can carve out a corner. Here is what I have discovered about this industry, there are several camps that this industry is made up of and we all need to decide which camp or camps we are in:
1. In our corner you have domainers of dot TV and other TLDs which really makes up a small part of this industry and our part is really probably even smaller than we think, however any sales we make as individuals are due to our foresite and we should be rewarded. Problem is we only get paid once on that great dot TV.
2.Content owners, tv, cable all media channels that have archives and archives of material that they could put online at anytime and monetize forever plus all their new productions. However, a lot of unique content owners aren't even on the radar or known as media companies and that is where......
3.Aggregators come in. Those people willing to dig for content and license it for reuse/redistribution online or through IPTV and cable heads. My feeling is that this group will be the most rewarded for their efforts and will be able cash out in a few years to the islands if they desire. Aggregating a catalog of content that can be monetized over and over will make a lot of people multi millionaires.
4. Content producers are also going to do well but they will need a little up front capital to start generating quality original content. They will have a longer ramp up time to build their catalog but one production could potentially be a home run and they could also decide to move in next door to the aggregator who moved down to the islands. Current small videographers and small production companies with available equipment, studios and expertise will be in high demand even though one guy and a $1200 camera will make up the bulk of this group. I am taking the route of both the aggregator and the producer.
5. Software/platform developers has been the center of a lot of conversations here. I think we are going to see another 20-25 companies pop up in the next 6-12 months offering the next biggest and best video solution/platform. The waters here are going to get even muddier so have a back up plan to enable you to jump to another platform if it delivers a better user experience or can help monetize your content better. Many of these solutions will be free/brandable and supported by either monthly subscriptions or solely through revenue sharing on an ad model.
6. Portal developers is the group some of us also include ourselves in. These are the folks with an idea for persuasive video/community content that they are putting out there for the world to see. They develop their "channel" usually in a very narrow niche to attract a demographic that they then will try to monetize. You will see some of these smaller complimentary niche channels merge together and finally many key portals will probably at some time be bought by big media. Another model that will probably happen very soon is similar to what Gawker and Weblogs have done in the blog arena, gathering together a whole stable of blogs on different subject and turning them into a money making network in this case someone will collect a stable of broadband channels/portals. These are the ways portal developers will cash out.
7. Ad firms are a big part of the success of this industry and new and different ways to monetize our portals will be invented along with good ole banner and text links. I am not going to talk about this area as we know someone out there in "ad world" is already actively trying to figure out how to make money on our portals.
8. The consumer, our customer who visits our portals and keeps coming back is obviously the most important component in this whole chain. People are hungry and demanding new tv and internet experiences. Keep em happpy and keep em coming back and your success is "almost guaranteed."
I offer these ideas up as I want everyone here in any camp to be able to profit from this huge paradigm shift. It may be hard to take a step outside of the domainer's box. Up until four months ago I would not have thought about developing anything of this size as my portfolio supports me nicely.Now, I am ready to sell all of them to finance my portal and take the management of those domains off my shoulders and outta my head.
So I am sorry if I got a little pissy there for a moment, just want everyone to see what I see. Blue pill, Red pill! :imho:
Cheers!
And thank you to all for being on this forum!
WineGuy
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You're forgiven. Hopefully no-one has skin so soft that you pierced it - I'm used to being abused so you are going to have to step up your snappiness if you want me to go and sulk in a corner.
Some good stuff in your posts here. I think that I am firmly a number 6, although historically I admit to having had a bit of number 1 in me which I am in the process of purging!
Some good stuff in your posts here. I think that I am firmly a number 6, although historically I admit to having had a bit of number 1 in me which I am in the process of purging!
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