Best Domain Extension other than .com: Opinions Please

[VURG]

I am a non .com domainer. I used to be a .com domainer but I have changed my focus as I got older. My main domain extensions that I am interested in are .net, .pink and .black.

I am interested in understanding what other people who invest away from .com are advocates for.

Do you think the king (.com) could ever be dethroned?

Do you think the queen (.net) could ever be dethroned?

I am interested to know why people choose the extension that they do?

For those who invest outside .com, has it proved to be a useful strategy?

 

[VURG]

Kyle - I don't pay attention to the issues that everyone talks about. I treat them as the decoys. I search for points of difference. I dig deep into the maths.

 

[Kyle Tully]

Kyle - I don't pay attention to the issues that everyone talks about. I treat them as the decoys. I search for points of difference. I dig deep into the maths.

I wonder if you're so far deep into the maths that you've lost your way?

If you're half as good at math as you imply then you're probably one of the most booksmart people on the forum... perhaps you could partner with a streetsmart individual to implement your ideas in the real world? It feels like there is a disconnect between where you're at and practical implementation. Just IMHO of course.

 

[VURG]

Alright, let's say the US postal system sucks.

How does that correlate to domain names?

I just don't really see the connection.

Brad

This is a privacy debate. There is a lot of red tape that increases the cost of living that is worn by the consumer in order to give access to data.

 

[VURG]

@bmugford - My answer above wasn't the best answer. I will try to get you a better answer later.

 

[VURG]

@bmugford - If we want to go leaner, many cash cows will suffer. I am preparing for a bear market. I expect that many people will see .com representing the bull markets and won't want to associate with debt burdens that western governments have been building the last 20 years. The government handouts of today are unsustainable and leaner businesses are required to protect democratic culture. The highly inefficient postal systems across the world are one example. Young people are inheriting massive government debts in the western world. They are the ones who have to make the hard financial decisions that the baby boomer/Gen X generations have not had the heart to make. The debts have to be paid to protect our democracies. My business models are slow business models. They are not La La Land business models. The truth is bitter.

 

[Zilla]

Other than .com, it will be .org (sometime .org.cn) in my case

well, people always need runing a company to make money, so, .com is important, and people always need connected together, thus .org is here...

 

[VURG]

@bmugford - I guess you are right. The postal system debate while potentially large is probably not significant enough to open a superiority debate between .com and an alternative extension. I guess that I am still tongue-tied. I am not ready to reveal my intellectual property publicly and so I don't have evidence to back my claims. Thank you for your patience.

 

[HotKey]

I am a non .com domainer. I used to be a .com domainer but I have changed my focus as I got older. My main domain extensions that I am interested in are .net, .pink and .black.

I am interested in understanding what other people who invest away from .com are advocates for.

Do you think the king (.com) could ever be dethroned?

Do you think the queen (.net) could ever be dethroned?

I am interested to know why people choose the extension that they do?

For those who invest outside .com, has it proved to be a useful strategy?

That makes sense, to me anyways. The math only adds up with dot-com because the numbers are bigger but it doesn't prove maturity in naming mindset for some serious long-term investors who understand the concept of new branding opportunities.

Your question for those that invest outside dot-com, for me it's proved useful because I'm helping grow an internet of quality names rather than an internet of of just mostly mumble-jumble, boring branding. This isn't a primary source of income for me though so I have the luxury of holding out in untapped niches. I also don't have to spend hours a day fighting, looking, digging.. what I have is what I have it will sustain for many years to come.

Most people like the math to back up an agenda of long-held investments we have to remember that and then late-comers get star-struck but usually left riding coattails. It's a viscous circle that get's repeated over and over again. Out of a say a theoretical 10k investors in dot-com, I bet there's no more than a couple hundred that actually make it a viable daily business model but that small amount can make it look like the world is at your fingertips because of the prevalence of dot-com across the internet. In so many cases you look at the names being sold and one just has to scratch their head as to why a business would brand on that name.

Many other cases there are amazing dot-com names sold by those handful which I fully acknowledge there is just something intrinsic about dot-com isn't there? They will last the ages. Even I spend a good 4 years getting the dot-com match to my new-gtld.

I have become disillusioned with new-gtlds solely based on how difficult they can be to acquire now, so many premium re-priced or became unattainable without special communications through the registry and then being in the hundreds or thousands for renewals. The handful I have is what I will stick with.

The choices you made with sticking with the three you mentioned are interesting I hope you have some good ones, another thing with alternate extensions they need far more specific buyers than the traditional dot-com.

 

[VURG]

I have been thinking about the algorithm that I talked about on the 15th August a lot these last 12 days. What I have worked out about it is this:

1) It doesn't have to be used in gambling and there is a high chance that there are bigger less controversial markets.
2) It may be the foundation of a form of government fundraising to replace the taxation systems for democratic governments over time.

The taxation alternative application is something that only occurred to me yesterday. This is something that I can see as very attractive to Libertarians and very hard to sell to Socialists. I am not sure how this affects my position on the domain name extensions. I see this taxation alternative as something that will not affect the US 2024 election but can potentially be very effective about building the Libertarian voice for the US 2028 election. I need some time to think about this and hope to get to you.

 

[VURG]

I have decided to try to explain my #TaxationAlternativeAlgorithm (#PlantingFountains)

This involves industry moving towards replacing governments with welfare responsibilities through aggressive competition. This involves the setting up of wealth funds through business activity that are owned by businesses. A percentage of sales (Let's say 5%) by a business are taken out of the shopping process and placed in wealth funds. These wealth funds are then invested in assets (e.g. shares, minerals, crypto). For the wealth fund, a percentage of assets (Let's say 1%/year) are taken out of the the wealth fund and reinvested into the community. Based on share market history, over time the wealth fund grows so big that the money coming out of the wealth fund is greater than the money going into the wealth fund. (I call this #FountainStatus) When this happens, the amount of money going into the community through the businesses starts competing with taxation revenue as being a more valuable contribution to society. If businesses targeting to use fountains to compete with existing businesses, they can sell staple goods for lower prices and make money selling food below cost. As more and more businesses and not-for-profits start planting fountains to be more competitive, businesses and not-for-profits can replace government taxation systems as more effective and better targeted community oriented funding to look after community needs. It might take about 50 years to make the full transition but this opportunity opens the door for phasing out taxation systems for good.

I see this alternative to be very attractive to Libertarians who are advocates of small governments and minimising interference by governments into operations. 50 years may seem like forever but in the scheme of things this is quick. There are ways of accelerating this faster.

 

[bmugford]

I have been thinking about the algorithm that I talked about on the 15th August a lot these last 12 days. What I have worked out about it is this:

1) It doesn't have to be used in gambling and there is a high chance that there are bigger less controversial markets.
2) It may be the foundation of a form of government fundraising to replace the taxation systems for democratic governments over time.

The taxation alternative application is something that only occurred to me yesterday. This is something that I can see as very attractive to Libertarians and very hard to sell to Socialists. I am not sure how this affects my position on the domain name extensions. I see this taxation alternative as something that will not affect the US 2024 election but can potentially be very effective about building the Libertarian voice for the US 2028 election. I need some time to think about this and hope to get to you.

The Libertarian Party barely exists in the US.

Most "libertarians" are people like Rand Paul. When they get into a position of power, they just become a complete sellout on their supposed principals.

Many of the libertarian principals and ideas don't really work in reality.

That said, none of this has anything to do with domains.

Brad

 

[bmugford]

I have decided to try to explain my #TaxationAlternativeAlgorithm (#PlantingFountains)

This involves industry moving towards replacing governments with welfare responsibilities through aggressive competition. This involves the setting up of wealth funds through business activity that are owned by businesses. A percentage of sales (Let's say 5%) by a business are taken out of the shopping process and placed in wealth funds. These wealth funds are then invested in assets (e.g. shares, minerals, crypto). For the wealth fund, a percentage of assets (Let's say 1%/year) are taken out of the the wealth fund and reinvested into the community. Based on share market history, over time the wealth fund grows so big that the money coming out of the wealth fund is greater than the money going into the wealth fund. (I call this #FountainStatus) When this happens, the amount of money going into the community through the businesses starts competing with taxation revenue as being a more valuable contribution to society. If businesses targeting to use fountains to compete with existing businesses, they can sell staple goods for lower prices and make money selling food below cost. As more and more businesses and not-for-profits start planting fountains to be more competitive, businesses and not-for-profits can replace government taxation systems as more effective and better targeted community oriented funding to look after community needs. It might take about 50 years to make the full transition but this opportunity opens the door for phasing out taxation systems for good.

I see this alternative to be very attractive to Libertarians who are advocates of small governments and minimising interference by governments into operations. 50 years may seem like forever but in the scheme of things this is quick. There are ways of accelerating this faster.

Libertarian ideas are not really compatible with crony capitalism, which is much of the foundation of business in the US (and other places).

How are you going to break the system where a handful of powerful people and companies control the vast majority of resources? It certainly won't be voluntary out of the goodness of their hearts.

Brad

 

[VURG]

That said, none of this has anything to do with domains.

Point noted. I will try to stay on topic.

 

[Mkt Sales Leads]

In relation to questions on my domain selection, I have the belief that the world is transitioning away from party based government to policy based government. My expectation is that this will involve a cocoon period where political groups split into factions. The two factions that I am anticipating will raise highest levels of funds are libertarians and women. I am building the case that libertarians have a good strategic political campaign around the colour black as black represents profit and Libertarian values are aligned with small governments (low spending therefore minimising debt). I see pink representing women's rights. .Net I see as a competitor to .com as a for consumer coops as netting in fishing is a one-to-many form fishing. I see consumers fed up with high inflation from companies and hence .com represents a culture of taking consumers for granted.

My domaining strategies are related to the fact that I am building a career around changes in politics. Political advertising is one of the fastest growing markets within advertising. Of these three domain extensions, I am most interested in .black. I see government debt in the western world as a rapidly growing political issue and black to be a strong political colour to return to traditional financial values.

I can see a lot of potential with .com. my focus is to be involved in emerging domain opportunities, not traditional ones

.co is (and has been) the modern-day equivalent to .net but with a slightly more tech focus.

.org seems to be generally accepted as a respectable no 2, it's use case being expanded from non profits to the crypto sector.

 

[VURG]

I have settled on .TOP as the best contender for .COM

They have the cheapest renewal fees. At the moment the focus of my attention on Namepros is more around LLLL.com because I think they are undervalued. However, I do think that a #GenerationZ VS #GenerationX debate in domain extensions still has a lot of potential. This is where I think that .com vs .top has the greatest potential. You can buy more than 2 .top domain names for the price of a .com domain. I have some .net domains but I am very interested in the .top domain market.

I will note that .ai domains have rapidly grown in popularity since I started this thread.

 

[bmugford]

I have settled on .TOP as the best contender for .COM

They have the cheapest renewal fees. At the moment the focus of my attention on Namepros is more around LLLL.com because I think they are undervalued. However, I do think that a #GenerationZ VS #GenerationX debate in domain extensions still has a lot of potential. This is where I think that .com vs .top has the greatest potential. You can buy more than 2 .top domain names for the price of a .com domain. I have some .net domains but I am very interested in the .top domain market.

.TOP is consistently near the top of spam scores, by extension.

The extension is primarily filled with a bunch of spammy, discounted registrations.

There is not much real world usage.

Also, the resale market is basically dead for the extension.

NameBio reports (55) sales for $24,300 in the last year.

Brad

 

[Simon SE]

New to this thread but Kyle nailed it..

I wonder if you're so far deep into the maths that you've lost your way?

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If you're half as good at math as you imply then you're probably one of the most booksmart people on the forum... perhaps you could partner with a streetsmart individual to implement your ideas in the real world? It feels like there is a disconnect between where you're at and practical implementation. Just IMHO of course.

 

[Kuffy]

In the property world, the 3 most important factors for a property purchase are location, location and location. I belive that this transfers to domain name, and the 3 most important TLDs are .com, .com and .com.