Backordering question!

[tata668]

If I backorder a domain name using Pool.com, Snapnames.com or NameJet.com, do I instantly win it when it is dropped? Or does it go to an auction?

Is it the same thing if I pay 20$ for a backordering service at godaddy (the domain is NOT registered at godaddy by the way)? Will it go to an auction at tdnam.com or will I win it instantly?

Thanks!

 

[mosilager]

More than likely, if the domain name is popular or there are other's that are interested in the same domain, it'll go to an auction, especially if you use SN, Pool or NJ.

At GD, if you don't win the back-order, you won't get your cash back, they'll give you a credit to use at GD the next time (unless of course you speak to support who might give you your cash back)!.

 

[Kate]

You will enter a private auction with other people if you are not the sole bidder. If you have the only backorder then it's yours.

 

[tata668]

You will enter a private auction with other people if you are not the sole bidder. If you have the only backorder then it's yours.

Is this true even with the 20$ godaddy backordering service? There will be a private auction if I'm not the only one backordering it?

Thanks to both of you!

 

[mosilager]

Is this true even with the 20$ godaddy backordering service? There will be a private auction if I'm not the only one backordering it?

Thanks to both of you!

I'm not sure whether GD has private auctions for back-ordered domains, but I think by ordering a back-order credit, you do get a years free membership to their GD auctions!. However, I do remember reading somewhere that when there is more than one interest in a domain, that there might be a private auction between interested parties, if you lose that auction, you've also lost your back-order credit!.

GD has IMO the worst back-order service amongst the big registrars, you're better off paying the $60 at SN to get a chance at getting the domain, most of the big boys like NJ and SN will get the chance first the dropped domains before GD even gets the chance (if the domain is dropping at GD, they get 1st bite at it!).

Try calling their customer service # 480-463-8385 and see what they have to say about it.

good luck.

 

[tata668]

Thanks mosilager!

The thing is, I would prefere to have the best chance possible to win this domain so I don't want to backordering it on a site where it would be added to a "soon expiring domains" list seen by thousand of domainers! If I have to pay 20$ so I'm the only one to know this domain is expiring, I don't care, I will pay!

Would you say I'm wrong and my best chance to get the domain is really to backordering it using all the backordering services I can find? Or am I right and I should only backordering it at godaddy so maybe no one else will realize this domain is expiring?

 

[Kate]

GD used to be first come, first served basis (only one slot per domain/person). Now they accept multiple backorders and a private auction will take place just like at SN or NJ. However, I think GD is still a competitive option for the decent domains that do not get backordered at SN, Pool, or NJ, and when you want to beat the handreggers for a given domain, at a cheaper price.

 

[garptrader]

If the name is registered at Godaddy, it will go to TDNam. If the domain is good and with another registrar a Godaddy backorder will likely not accomplish the result you want. Utilize Snapnames and Namejet and/or Pool. Note that if the name has backorders at Snapnames and Namejet either one could grab it. If you only have a backorder at Snapnames but Namejet grabs the name you are out of luck. Certain registrar names only appear at Namejet (Enom / Netsol / certain others). Don't place the order days in advance or you will attract other domainers and your cost will go up exponentially.

 

[tata668]

Thanks again sdsinc.

If the domain is good and with another registrar a Godaddy backorder will likely not accomplish the result you want.

Why is that?

The domain is expiring september 19 and it's not listed anywhere (Snapnames, Namejet). I think I'm going to backorder it with godaddy (it's not registered with them) and if I see it appear at Snapnames or Namejet, I'll bid there too.

This domain worths way more than 20$ for me.

 

[garptrader]

If the domain is not at Snapnames or Namejet, how do you know the expiration is Sept 19th (Whois perhaps)? Is that the renewal date of the current registrant? They could renew it in the next week if that is the case. Or has it already gone through the deletion process? Godaddy is not the best when it comes to catching drops. Basically the only time they catch one is if noone else wants it. Then you could just handreg it yourself.

 

[tata668]

If the domain is not at Snapnames or Namejet, how do you know the expiration is Sept 19th (Whois perhaps)?

Yes, by whois.

Is that the renewal date of the current registrant? They could renew it in the next week if that is the case. Or has it already gone through the deletion process? Godaddy is not the best when it comes to catching drops. Basically the only time they catch one is if noone else wants it. Then you could just handreg it yourself.

Then, what would you do? Would you wait until september 19 to see if it is renewed? Would it be too late then to backordering it? Can we backorder a domain that is in the "deletion" process?

 

[garptrader]

A backorder can be placed for any domain with the hope that someday the current registrant might let it drop. But that is wishful thinking. Just check and see if it is available for backordering with a certain date via Snapnames.

Let's take one I deleted from my Godaddy account recently...

elMercadoCentral.net (central market in Spanish)

I could still renew it and Whois shows Sept 26 as the expiration date. It does not appear in Snapnames because it hasn't started the deletion proceses. Well, in the case of Godaddy, drops show up at TDNam. Eventually it should show up there and TDNam will cycle it through to see if anyone wants it. If not it would enter a deletion process of ?? (~45?) days and could be grabbed at Snapnames, Namejet, Pool. I'm not sure of the exact number of days but there will be plenty of time to watch it if you have your eyes on it.

Again, if it enters the deletion process and will be released say November 1st, don't place a backorder at Snapnames, etc. right away. All you will do is send a flag to hundreds of other domainers. Snapnames and Namejet permit you to see domains with backorders so the easiest way to spot what might potentially be a decent name is to check the backorders. Just wait till shortly before the cutoff. I have placed backorders at Namejet in the last few minutes to ensure grabbing certain domains rather than getting into an auction with a dozen other domainers.

Best of luck.

 

[tata668]

Thanks garptrader! I think it's now more clear what I still don't know:

I could still renew it and Whois shows Sept 26 as the expiration date. It does not appear in Snapnames because it hasn't started the deletion proceses.

Do every domain in a deletion process necessarily appear in Snapnames? All of them? Any extension, any registrars?

Again, if it enters the deletion process and will be released say November 1st, don't place a backorder at Snapnames, etc. right away. All you will do is send a flag to hundreds of other domainers. Snapnames and Namejet permit you to see domains with backorders so the easiest way to spot what might potentially be a decent name is to check the backorders. Just wait till shortly before the cutoff. I have placed backorders at Namejet in the last few minutes to ensure grabbing certain domains rather than getting into an auction with a dozen other domainers.

I think this is the most important part of grabing an expired domain I'm not sure about: when will a domain be grabed if backordered? The current whois of the domain I'm looking at says "Expires 2009-09-19". I know it won't be mine on 2009-09-19 even if I backorder it now because there is a "grace period", where the current owner can still renew it, right? So what status exactly should I be looking for to be able to say "at the end of this status period, if I'm the only one who has backoreded the domain, it's mine."? When is the later I can place a backorder?

You say "if it enters the deletion process and will be released say November 1st, don't place a backorder at Snapnames, etc. right away". When is a domain really "released"? Will I be able to see this using whois?

 

[garptrader]

Snapnames works with drops from certain registrars and Namejet works with others. I believe Enom and Network Solutions drops end up at Namejet so if the current registrar is Enom or Netsol you will have to backorder at Namejet. Many domains can be backordered at multiple dropcatch services to increase the odds of grabbing it. It appears if you want .TV drops you have to go to Namejet. There are no guarantees. While the primary dropcatch services are Snapnames, Namejet and Pool, there are smaller players and the current registrant can always renew.

One other thing can happen. I once saw a domain I was interested in and it was going to be available soon at Namejet. The domain had already expired but the former registrant still had the right to renew it. In a post he offered to renew the domain (along with several others) and sell it for a small profit. I was only interested in one domain so I offered him $75 to avoid the possibility of it going through Namejet where I might have been bidding against a dozen other domainers for a one-word domain with high search volume. So this domain was in the process of deletion but then just disappeared because I bypassed the process. In theory you could attempt to contact the former registrant as well and offer to do like I did but in many cases they would renew and insist on a much higher selling price.

I don't know the exact number of days and I believe it can vary. Just keep your eye on it at Namejet and Snapnames and Whois. You could also try the current registrar as some registrars like Godaddy like to hold on to their own domains before releasing them.

Let's say you want a domain going through the deletion process and it shows up at Snapnames with an order date of Nov 1. If you place a backorder Oct 15th and the domain is really good, you will not get the domain for anything less than $150 and could end up paying much more if some other domainer is willing to pay $$$ for it. Just wait till the last few minutes.

 

[tata668]

Thanks a lot garptrader!