domain Alright Experts Appraise this Domain Please.

[eventbroker]

I have been participating in another discussion regarding a domain and the popularity and price it is worth. Some have been lead to believe that is has low value becuase of it's length. I disagree I think it hold very good value.

I have a domain www.childsafetyid.com I wish to be appraised by the community. I just wanted to get a feel for everyone's appraisal methods. After I get a few appraisals, I will then disclose revenue for the site and we can see who is on the mark or not. 50 NP$ to the best appraisal. I am not looking for the highest appraisal only the best according to revenue generated from the site, keyword placement, relevancy, search engine placement etc.

Let's see who knows the market.

I have to go to church, I will be back in 2 hours. Hopefully we can see some reply's to this topic.

 

[Zeeble]

Could you give us some details, such as revenues, traffic etc?

 

[eventbroker]

Traffic

The site sells DNA/ID kits for children wholesale/retail

Traffic 3500-5000 uniques a month

Number #1 placement in the search engines - Google-Yahoo-MSN for a variety of keywords. If not in the #1 position other pages on the site are on the first page of all engines. In most cases multiple pages from the site or it's sub domains monopolize the first page of the search engines.

I will not disclose revenue yet. As you can see no advertising resides on the site with the exception of a banner on the DNA testing page.

Listed in Google for 3 years.

 

[primacomputer]

If you're asking people to guess your revenue you might want to try the Contests Forum or maybe the Developed Sites For Sale section if you are looking to sell a developed site. If you want a business appraised as a going concern you'll have to provide more details.

 

[eventbroker]

I do not want people to guess the revenue or do I want to sell the site. I want an appraisal by the community to help guage awareness of there knowledge in domain appraisal. I posted it for an appraisal because of some other post regarding domain appraisals I have seen with ridiculous appraisals as far as worth.After I get a few appraisals I will disclose the revenue and then have other members appraise it from there to get it's real worth.

 

[Zeeble]

I do not want people to guess the revenue or do I want to sell the site. I want an appraisal by the community to help guage awareness of there knowledge in domain appraisal. I posted it for an appraisal because of some other post regarding domain appraisals I have seen with ridiculous appraisals as far as worth.After I get a few appraisals I will disclose the revenue and then have other members appraise it from there to get it's real worth.

You're not making sense. You want us to appraise the business without knowing the revenues? You read a post before where there were crazy appraisals, well you're likely to see more if you don't give details!

 

[Jennifer]

The valuation of the name without revenue will be different than the value of the name with revenue. Therefore, an accurate appraisal of your domain name is impossible without all current information.

I could give you an appraisal on the name as is - but it will not be accurate, as revenue significantly increases the domain name value.

 

[derrida]

hehe

Im a n00b, but lemme take on the experts.

Im not going to explain my reasoning out loud either. Unless i get it horribly wrong, then everyone can tell me what i did wrong which is likely! (i think im gonna like this thread)

Ok can i give two numbers.

$50,000 if this is getting type-ins.

Mid $xxx if its not.

Ill give you high $xx for it now. Hehe. JJ. PM me we can arrange a deal.

 

[primacomputer]

I'm still not clear on what you are asking for. Do you want an appraisal for the domain only without selling the business? In this case you would select a new domain name for your site, change all the current links to point to it, and the buyer would get a shell name with some temporary SE placement?

 

[PoorDoggie]

revenue dosen't have anythin to do with how much a domain is worth, well, not in the way you are suggesting. The appraisals guage how much a domain will be worth to an end user, not how much revenue the site is getting, and anyway, unless you are selling a developed site then the revenue you are acquiring will be worthless.

 

[eventbroker]

Alright first of all I was not seeking a realistic appraisal of the domain. I know what it is worth! The domain's average monthly profit is $2500-$3000 based on a 12 month cycle. When posting the original post this morning seeking an appraisal, I did it merely as a test to see if a lot of the users in the community really had a clue or some knowledge in domain name appraisals, in my opinion they do not.

How the thread started. I was participating in another thread in this forum that focused on domain name length , how many words in the domain etc. This user was seeking an appraisal for his domain and most were very critical of domain name length stating the name was only worth reg.fee - $xx undeveloped.

The user also posted google search stats which showed a high amount of interest in it. Thus driving the domain value up to a potential buyer. I stated in my post that I have sold many domains with ( Three Words - 20+letters ) for $X,XXX+ undeveloped. I own a number of domain names that are (Three Words) that are very valuable of which I do not sell.

In my posting asking for a domain name appraisal, I was trying to illustrate a point that people will pay what the market will bear on a domain. It does not matter how long it is. It matters about the content and context of the specific domain.

Sorry for the confusion. Now you have all the information. What do you think the domain is worth. I do not advertise it at all. It is listed in the Yahoo Directory other than that all the traffic comes from the search engines.

 

[Sinfully Wicked]

Hi,
I agree with PoorDoggie, you DONT need revenue for an appraisel. I'll be honest, i dont know that much about your domain, although i do know that in the UK there in the process of working on ID cards for people, so based on that and being about children, i would say this domain name is worth $5000, quite easily and yes i HAVE taken the revenue and SE listings out of the equasion, im going on the domain alone.

Excellet domain that will be valuble in the future with the relase of ID cards.

Good Luck

Thank you

Sin

 

[eventbroker]

Thank You for the appraisal. The domain's realistic worth, what I can actually sell it for today ( Pretty Quickly ) is about $35,000.00 I could get that amount without a problem from my comptetitors. I like the monthly hits though. Revenues are increasingly going up. I made $2400 in the last 10 days off of it. I expect revenues to rise to $4000 a month steady profit within in the next 3 months. I intend on increasing the PR4 to a PR7 with quality backlinks and also so much needed improved SEO. I have been lazy in promoting it the last year or so.

 

[Zeeble]

Alright first of all I was not seeking a realistic appraisal of the domain. I know what it is worth! The domain's average monthly profit is $2500-$3000 based on a 12 month cycle. When posting the original post this morning seeking an appraisal, I did it merely as a test to see if a lot of the users in the community really had a clue or some knowledge in domain name appraisals, in my opinion they do not.

If you were not seeking a realistic appraisal, then why ask for one? If think that people here are incapable of giving a decent appraisal, well, quite frankly you can always go elsewhere.

How the thread started. I was participating in another thread in this forum that focused on domain name length , how many words in the domain etc. This user was seeking an appraisal for his domain and most were very critical of domain name length stating the name was only worth reg.fee - $xx undeveloped.

People on NP mostly talk about reseller prices. It is impossible to guage accurately what an end user will pay.

The user also posted google search stats which showed a high amount of interest in it. Thus driving the domain value up to a potential buyer. I stated in my post that I have sold many domains with ( Three Words - 20+letters ) for $X,XXX+ undeveloped. I own a number of domain names that are (Three Words) that are very valuable of which I do not sell.

There are 3 possibilites here:

1. Those three word - 20 letter + domains were real premium domains, which is why they sold for that much. In which case they are irrelavent examples.

2. You sold them to an end user who really needed them.

3. You are making it up.

I'm guessing number 2. So, at the end of the day, a domain was worth what you sold it for. If someone is desperate for the domain, it will sell for more.

Sorry for the confusion. Now you have all the information. What do you think the domain is worth. I do not advertise it at all. It is listed in the Yahoo Directory other than that all the traffic comes from the search engines.

Based on the income of the site, I would guestimate (I have not done any sort of detailed research) the site to be worth around $300k. A worthwhile investment.

One thing which puzzels me is this:

How can a site which has an Alexa ranking of 3,082,001 and a link pop of just 101, be earning that much? Are you advertising it offline?

 

[eventbroker]

Alright it shows your knowledge of domains. 2 of the domains sold were wirelessamberalert.com , wirelessamberalerts.com $2500 for them. I was doing the guy a favor when I sold them because it was going for a good cause. They were sold to a not profit to be used for the National Center of missing and exploited Children.

There goes your theory for #2

You are one of the people I was talking about who does not have a clue!

Because I sell the product , ALEXA does not matter. I do not sell Advertising on it. I sell Child ID / DNA kits to Law Enforcement and Companies. I print there logos on them etc. The whole thing is ran from my Laptop. Work the logo in Photoshop, Produce the product and ship it. Send them an Invoice wait 45 days and get paid.

 

[Zeeble]

Alright it shows your knowledge of domains. 2 of the domains sold were wirelessamberalert.com , wirelessamberalerts.com $2500 for them. I was doing the guy a favor when I sold them because it was going for a good cause. They were sold to a not profit to be used for the National Center of missing and exploited Children.

There goes your theory for #2

You are one of the people I was talking about who does not have a clue!

Thank you,
Please try to remain civil, and not to insult others. I would consider the reseller value of the domain to be no more than $100.

 

[eventbroker]

No Advertising whatsoever , just an incredible market place for specialty advertising products. I am the manufacturer. I also dropship for people who sell single kits on there site. I did not count the revenue from dropshipping. That is play money. They will sell a kit ro 10 , they PayPal me the cash and I will ship it very easy.

I know the reseller value of the domain - About $20K - 25K realistically. You unfortunately do not know the marketplace for the product. I also was not being un-civil you implying I was lying about the sale of the other domains. By the way feel free to check. They sold through NETSOl

I apologize for being kirt. I thought you were talking about #3 and calling me a liar. I misread your points in the statement.

 

[primacomputer]

I think your confusing the business and the domain. The business is worth 12-18 months revenue no question. Nearly any is. The domain name is a different story.

You say childsafetyid.com earns $2,500-$3,000/month. Is this actually true? How much do projectsafekids.org, amberalertevents.com, dnakid.com and whatever other names you have pointing at the same site earn? Do you have this all broken down by name or are you actually talking about the business?

Also, reseller value is not the same as what you think a competitor would pay. And listing your site in dozens or relevant directories is a type of advertising, even if you don't have to pay for it.

 

[eventbroker]

Actually in answer to the domains they are there own seperate entities of which gain there own respective revenues. All are on different IP's none point to childsafetyid.com. Those are merely ancillary sites which bring in additional income. You missed some more of them in your search. With the exceptions of ProjectSafekids which is the Not for Profit I manufacture the kits for an ship etc. Yes it is true about childsafetyid.com earning this much. It is the 2nd best out of all of them. I have about 15 or so that all serve the same purpose , all are unique with the exception of design. All are stand alone

Prima the nature of my business is a manufacturer. I manufacture a customized product for corporations and civic groups etc. I virtually have no competition, sure there are other similar products on the market. Mine however are indepedently unique and of better grade at lower price. Basically while the other guys are trying to sell and inferior product for the same price , I went with quality.

The competitors have a tremendous amount of overhead as I do not. This is not the primary focus of my business only one that occupies about 4 hours a week of my time for packaging and shipping orders.( On a Busy Week and my 13 year old does that)

The rest of the time I spend on my primary business. I see your point though about domain value in retrospect. My domains , most of them are revolving around the business. With the exception of the site I had built for Project Safekids it is a stand lone for there organization where they still offer kit sales as well.

I am actually getting out of the business shortly ad will probably sell the lot as I am focusing on other avenues to keep my interest.

 

[primacomputer]

This just goes to show why it is so difficult to appraise a developed “name”. There are so many factors involved and if the owner can't even recall all the details correctly then an independent appraiser with limited information has no chance to guess right.

ProjectSafekids.org is hosted on the same IP address (72.29.73.7) as childsafetyid.com, as are amberalertevents.com, and childdnakits.com to name a few. Each of these presents exactly the same site. This site uses a single paypal and stormpay account regardless of what name they are reached through. While it would be theoretically possible to track revenue for each name separately it seems far more likely that you are simply unaware that the earnings are aggregated. Just like you are unaware that that all these point to the same site on the same IP/site.

And you're the manufacturer, which complicates things even more. If you were just drop shipping for someone else it would be easy enough to hand over that information to any potential domain name buyer and let him do it himself. As it is, in order for him to have the potential to make the revenue you make he has to become a manufacturer himself. How many domain name resellers want to do this?

I have no doubts you're making nice money off your business, but it's your knowledge, experience, connections, and effort that make you money. The domains are just a marketing tool. As such, it's not really fair to say that a domainer doesn't know what he's talking about when he fails to take all those into account when appraising one of your domain names.