AhmedF BEWARE

[_Yakov_]

I was asked by AhmedF to broker beat.com, a virtually worthless in my openion domain for 20k and over. We had an agreement and I started to broker it around 5 days ago.
After talking to serious folks whom i know I managed to get a 20k abd 21k offer for it. Now AhmedF runs away because he is not willing to pay the commission fee we agreed to.
I think this is a scam, I advice anyone to keep away from him.

I'm not pleased, but I have to publish our agreement and our conversation here to make it obvious to anyone that this is a clear scam. It doesn't cotain any confidantion information.

AhmedF wrote on 10-09-2003 12:07 AM:
Hello,

I am sorry Yakov, but I will have to withdraw from this deal.

Regards,
Ahmed

Coordinator Inc wrote on 10-08-2003 11:25 PM:
Why doesn't it seem right to you?
Look, you agreed to sell the domain if I find someone who will be willing to buy it for 20,000 right? I didn't ask you to agree or whatsoever, I just asked you if you want this, you say yes, you want this.

I found a buyer who is willing to pay $20 000.
I was looking for someone who is willing to pay $25 or 30k, but I cannot find anyone.
I found another buyer who is willing to pay $21k.

As per our agreement you will pay 15% commission fee if the domain is sold for over 20k.
What isn't right in this?
If you just don't want to pay me for the job I did, I will cancel the negotiation with the buyer. Otherwise I don't see ---- ANYTHING---- wrong with this case or with my action.

Please let me know asap, I'm dealing with serious folks here and
I don't want to cause any inconvinience to any of them.

AhmedF wrote on 10-08-2003 11:10 PM:
Hello Yakov,

This baffles me a bit.

$20,000 x 0.10 = $2000
$21,000 x 0.15 = $3000

That just doesnt seem right to me :/

-Ahmed

Coordinator Inc wrote on 10-08-2003 06:10 PM:
Hi.
I negotiated the sale of this domain for 21k.
Please let me know your escrow.com email address and I'll tell the sellet to initiate the transaction.
Best regards,
Yakov

AhmedF wrote on 10-08-2003 04:07 AM:
No rush at all.

Coordinator Inc wrote on 10-08-2003 03:33 AM:
Hi
I'm still waiting for some responses.
Are you in rush selling the domain ?

AhmedF wrote on 10-02-2003 04:51 PM:
Excellent

Coordinator Inc wrote on 10-02-2003 03:09 PM:
I got a 20k offer, now working toward a greater offer.
Will keep you updated.

AhmedF wrote on 10-01-2003 04:11 AM:
Copied awstats here:
http://www.beat.com/stats/awstats.html

Coordinator Inc wrote on 10-01-2003 03:05 AM:
Do you have any traffic numbers?

AhmedF wrote on 10-01-2003 02:27 AM:
Done.

Coordinator Inc wrote on 10-01-2003 01:41 AM:
Okay, I can try to sell it for a minimum of 20k, if it is sold for 20k, you will have to pay 10% comission of 20k which would amount to 2k.
If I sel it for over 20k, you'll have to pay 15% of the final price.

I would approximate my chances of selling this domain fro this price is 50/50.

It would require me 5 days to get you the final answer. I will surely receive several answers instantly but I want to wait for all answers, some of which may arrive in 5 days, in order to sellect the best offer.

If this is acceptable, you'll have to change the whois for the domain to me, so that no one contact you directly (my whois is the same as for kk.com).
You will have to agree to give me 5 days and to be abligated to sell the domain if I find a buyer who is ready to pay 20k or over.

Currently I broker several names (bonuses.com and some others)and I had some concerns expressed with regards to whois information change. I want to note that I don't need your domain transferred to me, you keep your domain locked under your account, I need the information change only for the fee structure protection.

AhmedF wrote on 10-01-2003 01:29 AM:
Hello,

$10-$15k would simply be unfeasable for me - not worth the effort . Lowest I could go is $20k. I do still believe that the domain is worth $25k+, but I would like to redirect some of that money into my other progressions [im a SEO person, and liquid cash is important].

So, if you can target $20k+, I am all for it

Regards,
Ahmed

Coordinator Inc wrote on 10-01-2003 12:12 AM:
Hi.

It is a nice name and will probably worth $25 000 to someone.
I have contacts with several folks/companies who are bigger than elequa, but I'm not sure if they will pay that.
I think, however, there is a big chance that I can sell it for 10 000-15,000.

It's in my interest to sell it for as much as possible cause my comission positively related to the sale price, but with a 25k minimum acceptable offer it's not too realistic. It is a fact that I brokered some names for about twise as much as the asking price.

I would try to broker the domain if you lower the acceptable price to $10 000 - $15 000. If I can get $25 000 or more, I will get that.

AhmedF wrote on 09-30-2003 11:52 PM:
Hello Yakov,

Read your post about brokering, and I would be interested.

I am thinking of selling beat.com, but I would like a sale of at least $25,000 [net].

Can that be done, or am I being unrealistic?

Regards,
Ahmed

 

[Larry]

Originally posted by Chris_C
I don't think there is any dispute that the terms of this sale were accepted from the start. The point is that the original terms were were misinterpreted by both ahmed & also a number of people (on various forums). Beyond that, there's really nothing binding in this contract as it's even been mentioned that it was done on a "friendly" basis.

That's a silly argument. Who cares if others understood the agreement. They weren't a party to the agreement and their opinion about how they "feel" doesn't matter.

And quite frankly I;ve seen deals done on a napkin that held up in court...so friendly or not it's still an agreement.

 

[Chris_C]

The point of this thread is to slander AhmedF. I've dealt with him multiple times & the picture being painted here is not fair.

The argument was a premise supporting the statement that "Ahmed likely misinterpreted the terms from the beginning". The reason I mentioned that others misinterpreted the argument is because I wanted to make the point that the terms were not understood from the start. The fact that there were others who also didn't understand means that the terms could have been spelled out more explicitly. Yakov seems to be good at what he does and this should genuinely be a good learning experience for him to either make sure the terms are very clear or find a more equitable system. He should also IMO get a lawyer to draw him up a contract that he can reuse in the future! AhmedF needs to learn to be more careful to what he agrees to.

Legally does it matter if AhmedF understood the terms so long as he agreed to the contract? No, it certainly doesn't, he'd need to pay for it. Napkin discussions aside, there's really little to no chance that what's written here would ever stand up in court (which court for that matter). You're doing Yakov a disservice to councel him that he any legal recourse IMO.

Legal doesn't neccessarily equate to moral which is why there's differing opinions in this thread. Yakov's terms were a bit bizarre and turned out to be (in this instance) grossly unfair and AhmedF agreed to accept them.

At anyrate, once again the point of this thread is to slander AhmedF the rest of it is simply opinions.

 

[Larry]

Chris, slander is generally considered (by definition) to be oral...libel is print.

Your personal dealings with Ahmed aside, the fact of the matter is he entered into an agreement and elected not to follow through. If the agreement was unclear he should have requested clarification...period.

I'm not providing Yakov with legal advice nor am I discussing moral issues here. I'm not an attorney but have studied contract law in my fields (real estate, finance, and insurance) and if I can show an agreement between two people of age who have the mental capacity to enter into the agreement and the right to sell whatever is being offered my best guess would be that there is a case to persue if you can prove loss.

That said, I dont know ahmed and I'm fairly sure he is a nice guy who was just confused. Fortunately for him Yakov apparently neither has the interest or the time to make this an ugly situation and I think his post is certainly valid.

Your attempts to turn the tables by calling yakovs terms bizarre and grossly unfair is, once again, silly.

The topic appears to have run it's course so I'm done with the thread. Dot your i's and cross your t's on these deals folks!

 

[Chris_C]

The topic appears to have run it's course so I'm done with the thread. Dot your i's and cross your t's on these deals folks!

100% agreed (: